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Brazil Confirms Air France Jet Crashed

Airplane Seat Among Items Spotted in Atlantic Ocean

By FEDERICO ESCHER and ALAN CLENDENNING
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FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil (June 2) – An airplane seat, a fuel slick and pieces of white debris scattered over three miles of open ocean marked the site in the mid-Atlantic on Tuesday where Air France Flight 447 plunged to its doom, Brazil's defense minister said.
Brazilian military pilots spotted the wreckage, sad reminders bobbing on waves, in the ocean 400 miles northeast of these islands off Brazil's coast. The plane carrying 228 people vanished Sunday about four hours into its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.
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"I can confirm that the five kilometers of debris are those of the Air France plane," Defense Minister Nelson Jobim told reporters at a hushed news conference in Rio. He said no bodies had been found and there was no sign of life.
The effort to recover the debris and locate the all-important black box recorders, which emit signals for only 30 days, is expected to be exceedingly challenging.
"We are in a race against the clock in extremely difficult weather conditions and in a zone where depths reach up to 22,966 feet," French Prime Minister Francois Fillon told lawmakers in parliament Tuesday.
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Brazilian military pilots first spotted the floating debris early Tuesday in two areas about 35 miles apart, said Air Force spokesman Jorge Amaral. The area is not far off the flight path of Flight 447.
Jobim said the main debris field was found near where the initial signs were spotted.
The cause of the crash will not be known until the black boxes are recovered — which could take days or weeks. But weather and aviation experts are focusing on the possibility of a collision with a brutal storm that sent winds of 100 mph (160 km/h) straight into the airliner's path.
"The airplane was flying at 500 mph northeast and the air is coming at them at 100 mph," said AccuWeather.com senior meteorologist Henry Margusity. "That probably started the process that ended up in some catastrophic failure of the airplane."
Towering Atlantic storms are common this time of year near the equator — an area known as the intertropical convergence zone. "That's where the northeast trade winds meet the southeast trade winds — it's the meeting place of the southern hemisphere and the northern hemisphere's weather," Margusity said.
But several veteran pilots of big airliners said it was extremely unlikely that Flight 447's crew intended to punch through a killer storm.
"Nobody in their right mind would ever go through a thunderstorm," said Tim Meldahl, a captain for a major U.S. airline who has flown internationally for 26 years, including more than 3,000 hours on the same A330 jetliner.
Pilots often work their way through bands of storms, watching for lightning flashing through clouds ahead and maneuvering around them, he said.
"They may have been sitting there thinking we can weave our way through this stuff," Meldahl said. "If they were trying to lace their way in and out of these things, they could have been caught by an updraft."
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A small plane made an emergency landing in the parking lot of a New Jersey mall Tuesday. Nobody was seriously hurt when the single-engine Cessna touched down near the entrance to a J.C. Penney store in Rockaway Township. This marks the third accident involving small planes in New Jersey this month.
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The same violent weather that might have led to the crash also could impede recovery efforts.
"Anyone who is going there to try to salvage this airplane within the next couple of months will have to deal with these big thunderstorms coming through on an almost daily basis," Margusity said. "You're talking about a monumental salvage effort."
Remotely controlled submersible crafts will have to be used to recover wreckage settling so far beneath the ocean's surface. France dispatched a research ship equipped with unmanned submarines that can explore as deeply as 19,600 feet (6,000 meters).
A U.S. Navy P-3C Orion surveillance plane — which can fly low over the ocean for 12 hours at a time and has radar and sonar designed to track submarines underwater — and a French AWACS radar plane are joining the operation.
France also has three military patrol aircraft flying over the central Atlantic, two commercial ships reached the floating debris, and Brazilian navy ships were en route.
Even at great underwater pressure, the black boxes "can survive indefinitely almost," said Bill Voss, president and CEO of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia.
"They're very rugged and sophisticated, virtually indestructible."
Voss said he expected the recovery process to go quickly.
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"I'm hoping they'll have stuff up in a month, if not just a few weeks," he said.
Rescuers were still scanning a vast sweep of ocean. If no survivors are found, it would be the world's worst civil aviation disaster since the November 2001 crash of an American Airlines jetliner in the New York City borough of Queens that killed 265 people.
Investigators have few clues to help explain what brought the Airbus A330 down. The crew made no distress call before the crash, but the plane's system sent an automatic message just before it disappeared, reporting lost cabin pressure and electrical failure.
Brazilian officials described a three-mile strip of wreckage, and have refused to draw any conclusions about what that pattern means. But Jack Casey, an aviation safety consultant in Washington, D.C., and former accident investigator for airlines and aircraft manufacturers, said it could indicate the Air France jetliner came apart before it hit the water.
A debris field of that length that is strung out in a rough line rather than in a circle, especially when an airplane comes down from a high altitude, "typically indicates it didn't come down in one piece," Casey said. "But it doesn't have to be a jillion little pieces. It can come down in three or four main pieces, and then the ocean drift takes care of the rest."
Casey cautioned it's possible, although less likely, that the plane did not break apart and spread of the debris field is due entirely to ocean drift. Since the disaster happened in violent weather, thunderstorms and deep ocean swells could have scattered the debris during the 32 hours that passed before it was spotted on Tuesday.
"The big thing to understand right now is we don't know," said Casey, chief operation officer of Safety Operating Systems LLB. "These are tough airplanes. They don't just come apart."
Associated Press writers Alan Clendenning in Sao Paulo; Marco Sibaja in Brasilia; Joan Lowy in Washington, D.C.; and Angela Charlton, Emma Vandore, Jean-Pierre Verges and Laurent Joan-Grange in Paris contributed to this report.
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ALLEYCAR

11:24 AMJun 06 2009

the plane very simply was hit by a huge lighting strike that wiped out the flying controls and systems but it did not matter cause the strike was so huge and powerful that it killed everyone on board instantly .......

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RMacHayes

06:42 AMJun 05 2009

Did anyone see the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks? This is exactly what happened onboard the plane that Hanks' character was in when it had some kind of massive structural failure.

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Zz sally

05:23 PMJun 04 2009

Those poor people.... :( at least there in a better place...

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Aearthling59

07:38 PMJun 03 2009

Condolences to the families. They say the ocean there is around 23,000 feet deep, we may never know what happened because they might not get the black box.

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Davetracer

05:40 PMJun 03 2009

Before going off half cocked, let the professionals investigate, have a look at the debris, give a very good sweep to try to find the flight recorders, go over the maintenance logs, examine the bytes that were transmitted, and in general, do all the necessary, tedious, non-headline grabbing things ... that make air travel so very safe. I personally know how much effort goes into making airliners resistant to damage from lightning. It's the quiet pros who work the accidents and sometimes find things that make their ways into service bulletins that make the feedback-from-accidents part of the system work. No one from the pros is talking and that is the correct thing for them to do.

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Mikeeagan1

03:29 PMJun 03 2009

Absolute state of the art plane...that plane has better weather equipment than any weather station on the ground. No way that those pilots would have flown into any severe storm, and even if they did, it could not bring that plane down. Every system on that plane has two backups. And they have a HF communication system that can send a signal 2000 miles. Backup controls for all the flight equipment, backup electrical systems. Total stainless steel body, everything totally grounded. Flying into 100 mph headwind gives that thing a lot of lift. Flying at 45000 feet or so, pilots had plenty of time to remedy any unusual problem and call a mayday. There is no natural reason for that plane to go down. Even if an engine went out, it has automatic refire. Something happened up there, and it wasn't bad weather or a lightning strike or pilot error. It takes more than that to bring down a plane like that.

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Terleigh

11:53 AMJun 03 2009

Vtracy95 11:17 AMJun 03 2009 AOL...you should be taken off the web.....there was .....NO THREAT....you like to spread rumors .....not professional.....////////////The Argentinian government stated there was a bomb threat on a flight out of Buenos Aires.

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Jmk1950

11:39 AMJun 03 2009

This is so sad a tragidy. My prayers and aspirations for all these people. Why does not Brazil, France, the USA and others build some weather stations on the northeast coast of Brazil, in the Carribean, and on the 'bowl'? of Africa. These stations then could monitor the storms in the mid Atlantic and watch developing hurricanes. These weather stations could also be Space Shuttle and NASA link stations. This would employee people in these zones and the airlines could have timely weather information and radar contact all the time. John Konieczny jmk1950@aol.com

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kubi490

11:36 AMJun 03 2009

Scary stuff no matter what the circumstances/causes were. Condolences to the families of the victims.

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Vtracy95

11:31 AMJun 03 2009

Drive safely ...........I will....

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Brazilian military planes found a 3-mile (5-kilometer) path of wreckage in the Atlantic Ocean, confirming that an Air France jet carrying 228 people crashed in the sea, Defense Minister Nelson Jobim said Tuesday. Jobim told reporters in Rio de Janeiro that the discovery confirms that the plane went down in that area, hundreds of miles (kilometers) from the Brazilian archipelago of Fernando de Noronha.