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Pilot's Action May Have Doomed Plane

By LARRY NEUMEISTER and RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI

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CLARENCE, N.Y. (Feb. 18) - Investigators finished gathering human remains at the site of last week's catastrophic plane crash outside Buffalo and turned their attention to analyzing the weather, data from the scene and black-box recorders, the crew and accounts from other pilots who flew nearby on the night of the accident.

The National Transportation Safety Board will also examine whether the pilot of Continental Connection Flight 3407 overreacted when an automatic safety system sensed the plane was slowing down dangerously, said Lorenda Ward, NTSB's chief investigator.

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Continental Crash

This image obtained February 13, 2009 courtesy of WGRZ-TV in Buffalo, New York shows the firefighters on the scene after a commercial plane crashed into a house on February 12, 2009 in Clarence Center, New York, a few miles from the airport in Buffalo. All 48 passengers and crew, plus one person on the ground, were killed when a plane crashed into a house outside Buffalo, New York and burst into flames, officials said. CREDIT MANDATORY: WGRZ-TV VIA AFP == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == (Photo credit should read -/AFP/Getty Images)

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Firefighters are seen at the site of the wreckage of a Continental Express flight, which crashed near Buffalo, New York February 13, 2009. A plane with 48 people on board crashed into a house near Buffalo, New York, and burst into flames late on Thursday, and MSNBC quoted the Federal Aviation Administration as saying there were no survivors on the plane. REUTERS/Gary Wiepert (UNITED STATES)

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A view of the wreckage of a Continental Express flight, which crashed near Buffalo, New York February 13, 2009. A plane with 48 people on board crashed into a house near Buffalo, New York, and burst into flames late on Thursday, and MSNBC quoted the Federal Aviation Administration as saying there were no survivors on the plane. REUTERS/Gary Wiepert (UNITED STATES)

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This image obtained February 13, 2009 courtesy of WGRZ-TV in Buffalo, New York shows the firefighters on the scene after a commercial plane crashed into a house on February 12, 2009 in Clarence Center, New York, a few miles from the airport in Buffalo. US media reported the Continental Airlines plane, with 48 people aboard, was arriving from Newark, New Jersey before crashing some eight kilometers (five miles) from the airport. Several people were killed, including one on the ground, officials told reporters, but they declined to confirm reports that all 48 people on board were killed. CREDIT MANDATORY: WGRZ-TV VIA AFP == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == (Photo credit should read -/AFP/Getty Images)

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Firefighters spray water on a fire on Clarence Center Road involving an airplane and a home Thursday Feb. 12, 2009. New York state police say a 50-passenger commuter plane has crashed into a home in suburban Buffalo. There was no immediate information on injuries. State Trooper John Manthey says the plane hit a house in Clarence around 10:10 p.m. Thursday. (AP Photo/Harry Scull Jr -The Buffalo News)

This image obtained February 13, 2009 courtesy of WGRZ-TV in Buffalo, New York shows the firey scene after a commercial plane crashed into a house on February 12, 2009 in Clarence Center, New York, a few miles from the airport in Buffalo. US media reported the Continental Airlines plane, with 48 people aboard, was arriving from Newark, New Jersey before crashing some eight kilometers (five miles) from the airport. Several people were killed, including one on the ground, officials told reporters, but they declined to confirm reports that all 48 people on board were killed. CREDIT MANDATORY: WGRZ-TV VIA AFP == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == (Photo credit should read -/AFP/Getty Images)

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Smoke rises from a burning plane after it crashed into a house in Clarence Center, N.Y., Thursday Feb. 12, 2009. New York state police say a Continental Flight 3407 from Newark, N.J., a 50-passenger commuter plane, has crashed into a home in suburban Buffalo. Clarence emergency control director Dave Bissonet says there have been "multiple fatalities" after a Continental Express plane with 48 people aboard crashed into a suburban Buffalo home and erupted in flames. Bissonet says the crash killed at least one person on the ground and an unknown number of people on the plane. State Trooper John Manthey says the plane hit a house in Clarence around 10:10 p.m. Thursday. (AP Photo/David Duprey)

A plane burns after it crashed into a house in Clarence Center, N.Y., Thursday, Feb. 12, 2009. New York State Police say the plane was a 50-passenger commuter aircraft.(AP Photo/David Duprey)

This image obtained February 13, 2009 from WGRZ-TV in Buffalo, New York shows firefighter on the scene after a commercial plane crashed into a house on February 12, 2009 in Clarence Center, New York, a few miles from the airport in Buffalo. US media reported the Continental Airlines plane, with 48 people aboard, was arriving from Newark, New Jersey before crashing some eight kilometers (five miles) from the airport. Several people were killed, including one on the ground, officials told reporters, but they declined to confirm reports that all 48 people on board were killed. CREDIT MANDATORY: WGRZ-TV VIA AFP == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == == RESTRICTED TO EDITORIAL USE / NO SALES / GETTY OUT == (Photo credit should read -/AFP/Getty Images)

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The pilot pulled back on the plane's controls after the safety system tried to push the nose downward to gain speed and avoid losing lift. Ward said one of many possibilities is the pilot pulled back too hard, bringing the plane's nose too high up in an attempt to prevent the stall and dooming the aircraft.

Early Wednesday, workers were removing the plane's enormous tail from the crash scene as well as any other remaining debris in an attempt to complete the cleanup ahead of a snowstorm forecast to bring a few inches of snow to the Buffalo area, Ward said.

Keith Holloway, an NTSB spokesman, said it is still too early to definitively say what brought the plane down.

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"We have not concluded anything," he said Wednesday morning.

Flight 3407 was only about 1,600 feet above the ground at the time and aviation safety experts said this week that it might have been too low to dive out of a stall condition.

"Things happened so quickly, and they were so low to the ground, that it would not have mattered if Chuck Yeager and Neil Armstrong were flying the plane; there wouldn't have been a different outcome," said Kirk Koenig, president of Expert Aviation Consulting of Indianapolis and a commercial aviation pilot for 25 years.

The pilot's actions are being scrutinized to determine whether he could have acted differently to prevent the plane from crashing onto a home on Thursday. All 49 people on board the aircraft and one person on the ground were killed.

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So far, the NTSB has not found anything mechanically wrong with the plane.

However, the pilot did not disengage the autopilot after encountering what was noted to be "significant ice" — disregarding recommendations from the NTSB and his own airline.

Ward said the NTSB probe will also look at whether this recommendation should be a regulation, something NTSB has supported for years.

In addition, as in every crash, Capt. Marvin Renslow's experience and training will be closely studied.

Renslow had amassed 110 hours of flying experience on the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400. He also had thousands of hours flying a similar, smaller turboprop plane, which experts say would have prepared him for handling the aircraft in icy weather.

The NTSB will look into the type of training the pilots received, how they performed, how many hours they flew in the seven days before the crash, how much rest they had and what they did in the 72 hours before the accident, Chealander said. That includes a look at whether they drank any alcohol or took drugs.

Another NTSB investigator will study whether the wintry weather played a role in the crash, while still others will interview pilots who recently flew with Renslow, 47, of Tampa, Fla., and the first officer, Rebecca Lynne Shaw, 24, of Seattle.

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Air Accidents in the News

A small plane made an emergency landing in the parking lot of a New Jersey mall Tuesday. Nobody was seriously hurt when the single-engine Cessna touched down near the entrance to a J.C. Penney store in Rockaway Township. This marks the third accident involving small planes in New Jersey this month.

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The full investigation is expected to last at least a year.

The flight, operated by Colgan Air, was about six miles from Buffalo Niagara International Airport and on autopilot when it became uncontrollable, pitching sharply up and down and side to side before smashing into the home and bursting into flames.

NTSB investigators have focused on the icy conditions in which the plane was flying, noting the crew took a cautious approach by engaging deicing equipment 11 minutes after leaving Newark, N.J. However, investigators have stopped short of saying ice caused the crash, noting there are endless possibilities.

Colgan Air, based in Manassas, Va., did not return a call Tuesday seeking comment on training procedures. Renslow had 3,000 hours of flying experience with Colgan over 3½ years, which is nearly the maximum a pilot can fly over that period of time under government regulations.

Johnny Summers, a pilot on a Boeing 737 who also has flown turboprop planes, said flying in ice is fairly routine. Planes are designed for it, and pilots train for it.

Summers recalled that a few years ago, while flying a Twin Otter into Colorado Springs, he was forced to land because of severe ice. The ice made the plane too heavy to climb to a higher altitude to escape the bad weather, he said.

He could not remember whether the crew turned off the autopilot but said all deicing and anti-icing equipment was immediately turned on. That aircraft was a twin-engine turboprop that seats eight, while the Dash 8 seats 74.

"I wasn't nervous about it," Summers said. "It's not that spooky of a thing."

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Zoomie80

11:29 AMFeb 20 2009

And everyone knows Becky was the Mishap First Officer, not the Mishap Captain.

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Zoomie80

11:27 AMFeb 20 2009

CSRAMAKER - No, I was actually citing the NTSB itself. They uncovered a 1000 hr error in her logbook. Troll.

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Zoomie80

02:41 PMFeb 19 2009

If I were the surviving spouse or next of kin to one of the passengers on this doomed flight, I would be PISSED. Colgan was negligent in its hiring practices--neither of these yo-yo pilots should have been in the cockpit. They were both bottom-feeders at a fourth-rate wannabe operation. This crash is SO pilot error, with supervisory error on top of it. I hope the lawyers have a field day. This disaster was needless AND avoidable. These kinds of "commuter pilots" are what you get when you cut the floor away from a profession and hire anyone with a pilot license. Did I mention that the females don't have to meet the same standards as men? Dead Becky there didn't even have enough flight time to hold an Airline Transport Pilot rating...and she lied about even that. The lawyers are going to love this one...

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Ventura1106

01:22 PMFeb 19 2009

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most aircraft operations manuals recommend, if not require a "coupled (autopilot) approach" in Cat II, and Cat III conditions?

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Filjoan

12:49 PMFeb 19 2009

They admit they have no solid evidence that the pilot was at fault, but they just have to put something in this story to suggest he was. News and bullshit--those two words are interchangeable. I pray for all the people who lost someone in this crash. Let Jesus comfort you, He's the only One who can.

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Z5Catman

06:18 AMFeb 19 2009

Pilot error, when flying low and slow you never pull up sharply. Add icing conditions and a full load of passengers and you get a whip stall. That gives you just enough time to realise you screwed up and say "Oh S**t ! " before you hit the ground.

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Jusus82306

05:43 AMFeb 19 2009

Racist comment do hurt, after reading some of the other aol blogs, I was tempted to post one, but I don't think I will, I guess I just can't know a person when there down. May Peace come to the victims families.

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Dfr7156

01:44 AMFeb 19 2009

Whatever the cause, my heart goes out to everyone and their families...

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SeanLean

11:28 PMFeb 19 2009

I love it when all the faggy-communist, left-wing whacko, wannabe-pilots start postulating and pontificating about things they know nothing about. You idiots, and YOU know who you are, really crack me up!!! hahahaahaa!

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