GLENN: Right. But isn't illegal immigration a crime in and of itself?Waiting for the YouTube file to add to this, but I'm happy to hear a GOP candidate talk some sense about immigration. And how, do you suppose, the base will respond to Rudy saying that we shouldn't make crossing the border a federal crime?
GIULIANI: No.
GLENN: Aren't you saying--
GIULIANI: Glenn--
GLENN: You're protecting criminals by saying that being treated as a criminal is unfair.
GIULIANI: Glenn, it's not a crime. I know that's very hard for people to understand, but it's not a federal crime.
GLENN: It's a misdemeanor but if you've been nailed, it is a crime. If you've been nailed, ship back and come back, it is a crime.
GIULIANI: Glenn, being an illegal immigrant, the 400,000 were not prosecuted for crimes by the federal government, nor could they be. I was U.S. attorney in the southern district of New York. So believe me, I know this. In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it's not a criminal proceeding. It's a civil proceeding.
GLENN: It is--
GIULIANI: One of the things that congress wanted to do a year ago is make it a crime, which indicates that it isn't.
GLENN: Should it be?
GIULIANI: Should it be? No, it shouldn't be because the government wouldn't be able to prosecute it. We couldn't prosecute 12 million people.
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From time to time I've given Rudy Giuliani a hard time on this blog for a variety of stances that my former mayor has taken of late. Today, I happen to agree with him. But boy, oh boy, the conservative wing of the GOP is not going to be happy about what Mr. Giuliani said in his interview with blow-hard Glenn Beck .
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1. What Rudy and others need to be talking about is what will we do with the millions of illegals here in the US.
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Patrick at 11:56AM on Sep 8th 2007
2. The law prohibits hiring illegals.
Steve Bonomo at 8:37PM on Sep 8th 2007
3. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHY GIULIANI SHOULD NOT BE ELECTED IN 2008 FOR PRESIDENT ARE THE CITIZENS OF NYC. ASK THEM, THEY KNOW WHAT HE HASN'T DONE! ALSO WHY HE THINKS HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WAS MAYOR. HOW MANY MAYORS HAVE BEEN ELECTED TO THE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWING THE JOB OF MAYOR?
MAGGIE at 12:19AM on Sep 9th 2007
4. Cross dressing Rudy has shown how much he can protect America. Just look at 911, some protection. Rudy is a no good bum that named himslef a hero of 911. He also said, he did more to save lives on 911 than the 911 workers. Lots of them died trying to save others. The only thing Rudy did on 911 was walk around NYC with a rag covering his face, looking at the destruction and bodies. How many lives did Rudy save.? AlI we have to show for Rudy's protection is 3,000 dead American's. Is that what makes him tough on terror? I'm still trying to figure that out. Rudy is hated by the NYC fire fighters and police, plus his kids want to vote for Obama. Rudy is finished! O8ama for President!
KineticSunGod at 12:48AM on Sep 9th 2007
5. Rudy Guiliani should know better. He is of Italian descent and Italians in this country know how important it is to become an American citizen. Italians aren't afraid to fill out the paperwork and pay to become a citizen of this country. If you don't want to take the necessary steps to become a citizen in this country then get lost. There are Americans in this country who will do the dirty jobs like cleaning sewers, public bathrooms, working at fast-food places (even though I personally wish we could get rid of fast-food places because they have caused obesity rates to rise) and picking up trash. The problem has to do with this country not paying these hard workers a better salary. Send the illegals back to where they come from and pay American workers who will do the work that illegals are doing a higher salary.
Sandra at 4:51PM on Sep 9th 2007
6. Do any of you geniuses know of the trickle down affect? These so-called illegal immigrants may be the root of why you have a job there you self righteous flag flyers. The smart politicians, and Americans, know of the importants of immigration, legal or not. At one point in history, we were all illigal immigrants. Does one forget so quickly that some of our forefathers came to this land and slaughtered, yes SLAUGHTERED, the real Americans. You have no right to condemn a person who is guilty of wanting a better life for their children. Shame on you.
Randy at 5:56PM on Sep 9th 2007
7. Rudy is wrong about the law.
It is a crime. 8 USC 1325. First offense is 2months in jail, second 2 years.
He is a meglogmaniac, and a consummate liar.
cdnbirch at 9:32PM on Sep 10th 2007
8. Randy writes;Do any of you geniuses know of the trickle down affect? These so-called illegal immigrants may be the root of why you have a job there you self righteous flag flyers. The smart politicians, and Americans, know of the importants of immigration, legal or not. At one point in history, we were all illigal immigrants. Does one forget so quickly that some of our forefathers came to this land and slaughtered, yes SLAUGHTERED, the real Americans. You have no right to condemn a person who is guilty of wanting a better life for their children. Shame on you.
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When it comes to immigration and the foundation that this country was built on, how can anyone dispute this bloggers sentiment? The transplanted Europeans sure did annihilate and exploit an entire race! The American Indigenous Peoples! Now? Some of us American born citizens are seeing the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Once again as history repeats itself,an influx of immigrants is unacceptable to most American born citizens. Unless you are a business owner and want to hire cheap labor,then it is ok? Randy,it is Hypocrisy at its best! or worst! Even I have mixed emotions on this issue...
TJ at 8:58AM on Sep 11th 2007
9. I read alot about how illegal immigrants are doing the so called "dirty " jobs that Americans won't do.
this is just not the case, illegal immigrants are doing the jobs for much less money than Americans because they avoid all the legal expenses Americans must pay & contribute. This statement I have made is 100 % fact based on my OWN PERSONEL experience. My wife owned an Office cleaning service for 17 years, she would only hire AMERICANS, Her work force consited of College Students tring to earn money while going to school at day cleaning at night & Retired seniors who wanted to stay active & earn some money to spend on their grandchildren 7 what the called their "MAD " money, well evrybody was working fine no problems, no complaints from any clients most of her contracts were with large company's like Labcorp, & Holy redeemer nurses, well one day 2 years ago, she was told that Her company services were no longer needed after 12 years with the same Company when asked why she was told it was a "Corporate' decission, Well after all is said & done we find out that the Hired another cleaning crew that was charging half the price !!! Quess what the entire crew was composed of illegal immigrant mexicans, no one spoke english except the owner of the company, when confonted he readily admitted that YES the WERE ALL illegal, & his attitude was " SO WHAT I got the jobs, % he pays them 1/3 of what the American College students were being payed, & he did noe have to declare them & pay anything to the Goverment, if they were to get caught it was no big deal, they would be back to work in a few days & have a new address. So I AM TIRED OF HEARING THAT illegal immigrants ARE DOING JOBS AMERICAN WON'T they are not. WHAT DOES THE WORD "ILLEGAL" MEAN ANYWAY ???? SO THER IT IS A REAL STORY ABOUT ILLEGALS TOLD BY A REAL AMERICAN, PROVE ME WRONG !!!
IND45OZ at 9:09AM on Sep 11th 2007
10. I believe that being an illegal immigrant is a crime. But the Government keeps letting these people come over here and they stay. They get welfare services. If they do work they get paid cash jobs so they do not pay social security or income taxes. And we keep giving them things while our own citizens are dying from lack of health care or starving because they don't "qualify" for assistance.
It is not a fair system at all. Let's start sending these people back and look at taking care of our own citizens, the ones that were born here and do pay taxes. In Michigan we use a lot of migrant workers just like other states do. These workers come, they do not speak English, they don't have SS#'s but they put they Children in our schools and we have to hire teachers who speak the language. They have their babies here using our Medicaid to pay for them. How can we justify this kind of actions continuing when our own citizens can't get assistance and our school systems are not what they should be. We need to start taking a harder stance on illegal immagrants regardless of reasons they are here. Even the Migrant workers: Lets send them back when the seasonally work is done. Leave their children at home also, I can't take my children with me to work. Why should they be able to. stop spending so much money on them.
Penelope Gates at 2:52PM on Sep 11th 2007
11. Way to go Rudy. Most illegals would gladly come here legally if they could. Those who think it is just a matter of money and paperwork have no idea what they are talking about. I have a family member who has been separated from his wife and two children for over two years trying to legally obtain a green card. He has been given nothing but more problems by our state department. Make the system workable and replace those power-hungry bullies in the immigration system with people who can both keep us safe and show some humanity.
Frances at 9:27AM on Sep 11th 2007
12. Study your history. Yes, this country is composed of immigrants. They sold everything they had to come to this country and start a new & hopefully better life. The difference is that they had to be healthy, learn to speak English, pledge allaigence to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In other words, they had to adapt to a different way of life. I hve worked for over 50 years to help raise and support my family and now that I am on Social Security and Medicare it irriates me that someone can come over here and get medical treatment, houseing and social security without contributing. Maybe some of the politicians need to try to make it on what the average American family makes it own. I am tired of the politicians telling us what they will do, but never accomplish. It always comes down to who has the most money and how much they will pay them.
Gail at 10:13AM on Sep 11th 2007
13. "Illegal immigrants may do some jobs that Americans will not do" is a down right lie, americans will do the job if they get paid a decent wage. Employers use illegal aliens to replace good wage paying jobs with minimum wages. I know from experience. In the Los Angeles area they have taken over hundreds of thousands of jobs that our youth depended on; they decimated the port-based independent trucking business because they will haul a load at a loss. They are not coming here to escape persecution, they are pouring in here to make money and they have destroyed the middle class wage base. The President is busy currying favor from the Mexican President and Congess is atrophied by fear; so no one does anything and the problem just gets worse.
Makendoo at 10:13AM on Sep 11th 2007
14. way to go frances
i have worked with illegals and every time you asked them a question it was always me no speak english but when it came time to doing anything they would hide and they got paid more then i did so what i say send them all back to the countrys they came from and leve our taxs payers dollars here
wanda at 10:23AM on Sep 11th 2007
15. What you all forget is that AMerica is a country of immigrants.The only natives here are American Indians.Everybody comes here for a better life so why not make them legal ,let them pay taxes.How are you going to deport 12 million people and who is going to pay for it? The solution is not blaming anybody, but making rules for immigration that can be implemented.Background checks,criminal record etc...
Did we forget that half of 911 highjackers were american citizens.Do not blame illegals for wanting to have a better life.Remember your ancestors were not born here,were they criminals too ?What do you call killing a whole race of people for their land?
Rudy is the best choice for president.Do you really want that two face no good Hillary to be your president.
lordmaster007 at 10:34AM on Sep 11th 2007