GLENN: Right. But isn't illegal immigration a crime in and of itself?Waiting for the YouTube file to add to this, but I'm happy to hear a GOP candidate talk some sense about immigration. And how, do you suppose, the base will respond to Rudy saying that we shouldn't make crossing the border a federal crime?
GIULIANI: No.
GLENN: Aren't you saying--
GIULIANI: Glenn--
GLENN: You're protecting criminals by saying that being treated as a criminal is unfair.
GIULIANI: Glenn, it's not a crime. I know that's very hard for people to understand, but it's not a federal crime.
GLENN: It's a misdemeanor but if you've been nailed, it is a crime. If you've been nailed, ship back and come back, it is a crime.
GIULIANI: Glenn, being an illegal immigrant, the 400,000 were not prosecuted for crimes by the federal government, nor could they be. I was U.S. attorney in the southern district of New York. So believe me, I know this. In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it's not a criminal proceeding. It's a civil proceeding.
GLENN: It is--
GIULIANI: One of the things that congress wanted to do a year ago is make it a crime, which indicates that it isn't.
GLENN: Should it be?
GIULIANI: Should it be? No, it shouldn't be because the government wouldn't be able to prosecute it. We couldn't prosecute 12 million people.
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31. I have read some comments, on Illegal Immigration, and it is true, even the illegal people know that, they are breaking the Law, but, Do they have to get the blame for everything that is going on, in the U.S.A.? I do not think so, everybody feels that is an expert on the issue, nobody knows the real reason somebody has to leave their Country for a "better way of Life" and I think trere is 100s of them, but Why we come to this Country, because they tell us, that there is work here, since day one we hear the word Temporary workers, Temporary work, I was reading somebody comments about having a cleanning company that was replaced for a cleanning company with Illegal Immigrants, Do you really think that we have to blame the Illegal people for working for less money, owners don't even ask How much money they want to make, they tell you the work is there if you want it, what would you say if you have your Family in another Country, and you don't even kwon if they have something to eat, you say yes because you Love your Family, you don't even think about the Law, Why because your Love for your Family is bigger than anything else, It is easier for a real American, to say No, and respect the Law, because even if they are Unemployed the Goverment takes care of their Family. Why we don't blame the Owners who prefer to give the Job to the Illegal Immigrants so they can save money, or you still think that they are doing the Immigrants a favor, they don't even know them, do you really believe what they tell you, how "good they are". I can not comment on the fact that College Students and Seniors Citizens, do a better job than Illegal Immigrants, I have not work with any of them, but I will think they do a better job, because I will think, that they won't get overload, you see when you have Illegal Immigrants, you can overload the work to them, the more you do it, the more you save, the work that one College Student and one Senior Citizen do togheter, "Has" to be done by an Illegal Immigrant if they want to keep the job, also forget about vacations, sick leave (remember they are seniors) summer (remember they are students)they have to be replaced by "Temporary Workers" somebody that, when the College Students and Senior Citizen comeback to work can be "Let you Go", somebody that can not complain, Another thing that I am thinking, do we really know, how much every City has grown, do we have that many College Students and Senior Citizen for the Temporary Jobs, because that is what they are Temporary Jobs, nobody want to make a carrer out of cleanning, construccion,agriculture, etc., who wants to work, after retirement,(only people who didn't have a retirment plan), and if you do it because you are bored at your house,Do you want to work in a 105 degrees day? outside work just for Fun, College Students do they really want to clean or do construccion or agriculture, when there is other Temporary Jobs, in an office with computers and Telephones, (please Telephones, yeah)what about Seniors working after hours, after midnight, remember, there is Cities that do not sleep, It is not like your small Community where everybody Knows each other, and everybody is sleeping early,they are big Cities with millions of different Companies, millions of diferent Temporary Jobs,You know, in every American Embassy there is Propaganda about How you can reach the American Dream, The Embassy tells you about Temporary Jobs, I was one of the Lucky ones, that came to this Country with a Students Visa, and worked my way to become a Legal Resident and now a Citizen by Naturalization, and I still firmly believe in the American Dream, I know the Illegal Immigrants are breaking the Law, but I also know that they have their reason, I also know that there is other people as guilty as they are, people who is also breaking the Law, not, because they want to work and feed their family, but because they want to save money, I also know that some Temporary Jobs nobody really want to do them, unless they have to do it (people who drop out of School, Drug Addicts or criminals who can not find a better job or nobody want to hire them) and they blame the Illegal Imigrants because they have to compete with them, Like the Illegal Immigrants told them to drop out of School, or do Drugs, or commit a crime, Let me tell you something people, What a really Illegal Immigrant is, A Illegal Immigrant is somebody that has to hide from the Immigration Department, Police, Ku Klux Klan, Racist people, etc. somebody that every day goes to work and doesn't know if He or She is comming back to where is hiding, somebody who doesn't know if He or She is getting paid because they are not legal to work, but they let them do the Job anyway, like taking advantage or an Illegal is not a crime (remember taking advantage or a Human been is a crime any where in the whole World, even if they are criminals.) Do you really believe the Illegal Immigrants get Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps or any other help, "No" because they are Illegal, they are hiding, remember? tell me something when you go to a Hospital Do they ask you for Health Insurance? Yes even to real Americans, and what do they tell you if you say No? What do you think they say to an Illegal Immigrant? Yes we don't care about peoples Taxes we are going to help you any way, because we are good" I don't think so. Has you ever been so afraid, even to go out, do you think that somebody who really come to work to give his family a better way of living, will be risking his or her stay here for Medicine or Food Stamps, I am not saying that every Illegal Immigrant is a good person I am really sure that there is bad people too, bat that happens with every kind of people every race has good and bad, in jail you see Gangs of every color, all of them, Do you really think that Illegal people who really come to work are so dangerous for the Security of this Country, Homeland Security doesn't think so. Don't you trust our Goverment that they have control of the Border, Do they really want to close the border? I personally think they can, if they want, with all the new Technologies, and remember they can get them out of the Country any time they want, when they don't need them any more, because they are Illegal, Do you know how many people get killed trying to cross the border, Do you Know that there is people who pay money for an Illegal Allien Head, Have you heard of hate crime, have you heard of slave workers, No you don't read this numbers anywhere, all you read is How much the goverment Spent on Illegal Immigrants, Is that money really Spent on Illegal Immigrants? (remember they are hiding), No people I Think you people don't know all the facts of the Illegal Immigration, Like I don't know the facts of the Immigration of White People to this Land, some people call it Criminal Immigration, because they Kill Indians for the Land, I am not going to comment on that because I don't Know the facts, I can read them, but How I can be sure is the true, I will think that they had their reasons to come here what ever they were. I can not comment on Black people Immigration because I don't Know the facts, some people says they were Slaves, I don't know, It is happen so long ago, that I think they forgot about it and they keep on living,I don't know if they forgive, but I think the real responsibles for that, are not alive any more, and there is nothing anybody can do. So people I think what I am going to do is respect other people reasons for coming to this Country, I don't need to be their friend, I just going to respect them so I can get respect, and leave them alone so they can work, if somebody need them, and if they get in trouble with the Law they will pay for that, I believe in the different Departments of our Goverment I still believe they have the control, and something I am really sure I would never try to take the Law in my own hands, because I don't have the right trainning and knowledge for that.
Walter at 6:30PM on Sep 12th 2007
32. If Rudy handles and responds to the immigration issue as he did to the challenges he faced managing the revamping of NYC then there will be a smooth extremely impressive plan to dramitally improve the situation. I lived in Manhattan prior to, during, and after Giuliani was mayor and can only say that the changes he made for that city were not only wonderful, but miraculous. He uses his talent and insight to make tough decisions swiftly that are invariabley sound and result in greatly improved conditions for all. He is the greatest!
Pam at 1:56PM on Sep 26th 2007
33. I THINK THINGS WERE WORKING JUST FINE THE WAYS THINGS WERE BEFORE,WHEN THE IMMIGRANTS WERE HERE ON A WORK VISA.I THINK IT IS TOO LATE TO EVEN WORRY ABOUT IMMIGRANTS PERIOD.WE ALL KNOW THAT AL QUADA HAS CELLS IN FORTY STATES ALL OVER THE WORLD.EVEN HERE.THATS WHAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.WHILE ALL THESE POLITICIANS ARE DEBATING, WERE IN DANGER,NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS NOW.
Cateyespretty at 12:55AM on Sep 28th 2007
34. I THINK IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT THE ILLEGAL IMMIRANTS ARE ABLE TO WORK IN THE US ONLY ON A WORK VISA.AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA HIT LOUISIANA,ALOT OF THEM REALLY HELP OUR STATE OUT.THE ONES THAT ARE NOT LEGAL, SEND THEM PACKING.PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE, RUN A CHECK ON THEM,IF THEY DON'T HURT ANYONE,LET THEM WORK,ON A VISA.THEY HELP ALOT OF US AND ARE HARD WORKERS AND NEED TO SUPPORT THERE FAMILIES LIKE THE REST OF US.TAX THEM,LIKE US.BUT STILL BUILD A WALL TO KEEP THE ILLEGAL ONES OUT.ONLY ALLOW THE LEGAL ONES IN!
Cateyespretty at 1:09AM on Sep 28th 2007
35. WE NEED MORE RELIGION IN OUR SCHOOLS, HOMES, TELEVISION,INTERNET,BOOKS, MEDIA,BILLBOARDS,BUILDINGS,TAXI CABS, AND WHEREEVER ELSE WE CAN PUT IT.PEOPLE ARE ANGRY, AND GOD IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THIS WORLD! BUILD MORE CHURCHES,IF YOU WANT TO SPEND MONEY! SPREAD CHRISTIANITY THROUGH THE WORLD,IT WILL BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AGAIN.GOD SAID,I AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.AND CHRISTIANITY IS FORGOTTEN.....WE CAN GIVE ADVISE ALL WE WANT,BUT NOT THE WISDOM TO PROFIT FROM IT.
Cateyespretty at 1:42AM on Sep 28th 2007
36. I think countries where the majority of illegals came from need to be educated about rules of immigration in other countries including the United States.And in the case of this country the border is wide open but the criticism should also be towards those countries where most illegals are from.Why are they continue to let those citizens of theirs loose without any concern to the government where they're heading.I think this is more than those government just turning the blind eye to this mass flow across the border.I think the United States Government should send a bill to all the countries illegals are from in that way if they agree to pay we'll let such illegal stay and work towards proper citizenship.If they refuse to take care of the bills then such person(illegal)should apply properly through the process.If it requires to go back to his or her homeland to take care of her immigration status so be it.
KaM at 1:30AM on Oct 5th 2007