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Congress OKs Loaded Guns in Parks

By MATTHEW DALY
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WASHINGTON (May 20) - In a stinging defeat for gun-control advocates, Congress has voted to allow people to carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges.
The House approved the measure, 279-147, on Wednesday, one day after the Senate acted.
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A total of 105 Democrats in the House joined 174 Republicans in supporting the gun measure, which essentially restores a Bush administration policy that briefly allowed loaded guns in national parks earlier this year. The measure, which is included in a bill imposing new restrictions on credit card companies, allows licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by state law.
The vote was a bitter disappointment for gun-control proponents, who watched as a Democratic-controlled Congress handed a victory to gun-rights advocates that they did not achieve under Republican rule. Many blamed the National Rifle Association, which pushed hard for the gun law.
"The NRA is basically taking over the House and Senate," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., a leading gun-control supporter. "If the NRA wins, the American people are going to be the ones who lose."
Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., said liberals might believe that, "but the American people won't buy it."
"The fact is American gun owners are simply citizens who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights without running into confusing red tape," Hastings said.
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Hastings and other Republicans said the bill merely aligns national parks and wildlife refuges with regulations governing the national forests and property controlled by the Bureau of Land Management.
The GOP called the current policy outdated and confusing to those who visit public lands, noting that merely traveling from state-owned parks to national parks meant some visitors were violating the law.
A majority of Democrats in both the House and Senate opposed the gun measure, but enough Democrats voted for the bill that the final tally in both chambers was not close.
Democratic leaders decided not to remove the gun provision after Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., was able to insert it into the popular credit card measure. Lawmakers and aides said there was not enough time to send the bill to a House-Senate conference committee — where it could be removed without a vote — and still get it to President Barack Obama by Memorial Day as he has requested.
"There's a lot of momentum to get this done," said Rep. Raul Grijalva, R-Ariz.
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Grijalva, chairman of national parks subcommittee, opposed the gun measure, but said the "sense of urgency from the White House" to get the credit card bill approved, combined with the NRA's clout, were impossible to overcome.
Theresa Pierno, executive vice president of the National Parks Conservation Association, which has fought the gun rule in court, criticized Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer for allowing the vote.
"By not taking a stand to prevent this change, they have sacrificed public safety and national park resources in favor of the political agenda of the National Rifle Association," Pierno said, adding that the gun provision had no public hearing or other review.
In a statement after the vote, Pelosi called inclusion of the gun measure unfortunate and said it undermines the nation's gun safety laws.
"There is no compelling argument for replacing the Reagan administration's rules regarding guns in national parks, and certainly not as part of legislation designed to protect Americans during difficult economic times," Pelosi said.
Chris W. Cox, chief lobbyist for the NRA, said the group pushed for the gun measure but did not threaten anyone over the vote.
"Obviously this is an issue that affects our membership," Cox said. But to claim the NRA sets the agenda in Congress misrepresents the role that NRA plays in the process, he said.
Cox also disputed a claim by the Humane Society of the United States that the gun bill would lead to an increase in wildlife poaching in national parks.
"The NRA is opposed to poaching and always has been," he said. "We've supported enhanced penalties for illegal activities, including poaching. The Humane Society has zero credibility when it comes to Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners."
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KTerceira

07:21 AMMay 26 2009

National Parks are not owned by the Federal Government they are owned by the people of America. The Federal Government is the American people so it stands to reason that when 60 -65 percent of the public own a rifle or shotgun the laws regarding gun ownership should be a reflection of that majority. What I think many of you are resentful to is the fact that your Democratic leadership passed this law. Just as many Republicans have had to face the fact that aborting a fetus is the law of the land so is the right to gun ownership.Gun control is as taboo as preventing abortion get used to it.

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Seacstauto

04:00 PMMay 24 2009

wonder if its for handguns or rifles.i can see a need for protection against the two legged beasts that dwell in the wilderness.kinda levels the playing field in our favor against the bad guys.

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DIzzo49198

10:00 AMMay 24 2009

ARE THERE REALLY PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEENNAT. PARK & AN AMUSEMENT PARK.... PLEASE DON'T CARRY A GUN

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DIzzo49198

09:21 AMMay 24 2009

SO YOU CAN'T CARRY A GUN INTO A PARK,PEOPLE WHO HAVE FOR YRS WON'T STOP! SO THEY CAN ARREST MAKEGOOD PEOPLE BAD

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Dskaalrud5

11:01 PMMay 23 2009

Beg to differ Jayde1313: the National Parks are obviously now owned by the National Redneck Association.

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Franktuite

05:04 PMMay 22 2009

SanFranGuy111 What Jayde1313 was trying to explain to you is that there is a difference between National Parks and Amusement Parks. Now in one of your recent comments you did mention Disney World wich is in Florida wich is a right to carry state. Wich means it is legal for a concealed weapons holder to carry a firearm on Disney property. However most people in Florida have been to Disney World so many times we generaly consider it a waist of money and if it makes you feel any better. We leave our guns in our car.

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typeup17

04:51 PMMay 22 2009

SanFranGuy111 09:02 AMMay 22 2009 Jayde1313----FIRST OF ALL, parks like Disney and Six Flags have parks in more than one state......HENCE they are national parks!!=========How stupid are you??? Yellowstone is a Natl. park, Disneyland is an amusement park.

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Jayde1313

04:25 PMMay 22 2009

SanFranGay: Disney is Interstate. 6 Flags is interstate. Check your definitions. Then get that cranial-rectal intrusion taken care of. I never had any doubt that you're from the left coast. You have proven several times on this post why animals eat their young.

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Jayde1313

04:15 PMMay 22 2009

JTonkins: I checked the National Parks Registry, and damned if I could find any amusment parks on the list. Perhaps our government commited a grevious error in not including them? Think not. Read it this way: (You're included in this tyoo SanFranGuy) Repeat this until it becomes clear: National Parks are owned by the people of the United States. Get it? Amusment Parks are PRIVATELY owned. See the distinction yet? Amusment parks, as privately owned businesses can tell you that you may not bring nail clippers in with you.l If you don't understand the difference, hire a translator. Then get a solid education. 8th grade as high point doesn't cut it anymore.

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Geronimo1155

03:56 PMMay 22 2009

Here's the exact language of the law..... it is basically a "states rights" law. Also once signed by President Obama or if vetoed (not likely) overridden by 2/3 vote of Congress it will not go into effect for 9 months....that's late February 2010.SEC. 512. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME. (a) Congressional Findings- Congress finds the following: (1) The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides that `the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'. (2) Section 2.4(a)(1) of title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that `except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net'. (3) Section 27.42 of title 50, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that, except in special circumstances, citizens of the United States...

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Gun-control advocates are left stunned after the Democratic-controlled House votes to let people carry loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges. The measure essentially restores a Bush administration policy that briefly allowed the weapons in such areas earlier this year.