1. and most liberals also predicted we had to go to war, they voted for it too, so back off think a little more about who had any solutions when the war did take a sectarian turn. It sure as hell wasn't you two.

mickeye at 1:38PM on Apr 29th 2007

2. They didn't get it wrong. They simply made up what they needed to justify it. Now comes Mr. Tenet and soon Mr. Powell. They twisted the facts, outed Ms. Plame and have made a fortune in war profiteering. I no longer want to see impeachment. I want to see some action taken that will expose and jail GWB and Cheney as the first ones to go to prison for their illegal actions. Rove the genius should be taken to the mat and hopefully they will not kill Monica Goodling before she testifies because if she does and tells the truth then they will finally be caught red handed without a way to twist out of it and blame someone else. And where oh where are the 5 million emails.

b.sinrod at 2:52PM on Apr 29th 2007

3. Gee guys, fascist pundits were saying, "Don't worry about it.", leading up to the 'Fuckification' of Iraq .. who woulda thunk?
But, unless you're just preaching to the choir here, ya gotta put it in terms that the 'sheep' can understand.
For example, don't call Sunni vs. Shia violence 'sectarian'... Why not?... sounds too much like 'secular'... and 'PLEDGE ALLEGIENCE' Joe, who supports Bush simply because he's the prez is easily confused.
Say 'religious' violence... and explain it like you're talking to a fifth grader(get it?).

Don't say that right-wing(fascist) pundits 'were mistaken'... say that they were spouting fascist propaganda to deliberately misdirect the masses.

You know... don't pander to these people(the fascists)... let them and the masses know that you're 'on to them.'

pboyfloyd at 4:07PM on Apr 29th 2007

4. mickeye,

This is a breakdown of the Senate and House with those who voted for the Iraq War Resolution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution Notice the math? MORE THAN half voted against. And those who voted "for" stressed giving Bush the ability to threaten Hussein. Maybe you've forgotten the huge demonstrations world-wide to NOT invade. Well, they weren't on FOX, so I can understand.

We non-(R)'s were happy that Hussein let the inspectors in. Remember, it was our stupid president who pulled them out in '03. Geez, do you (R)'s ever check on anything or do you think you know stuff from watching FOX News?

lil_turk at 4:33PM on Apr 29th 2007

5. @mickeye, and everyone who thinks like him. Let me clue you in.
Now, I want you to read this all the way through... 'cos there's some possible good news for you guys here. BUT.. and there's ALWAYS a 'but' isn't there?...
You have to realise that the direction the republicans are taking us is facsism. (Bear with me now.) Fascism is like Mussolini's govt, a corporate welfare system... that is a government which will bail out corporations and make the wealthy wealthier at the expense of the masses. Look at that idiot who 'ruled' Spain... I forget his name.

Anyways... you don't want the U.S.A. to end up like Italy during the second world war... 'cos they were wimpy. And... you don't want the U.S.A. to end up like fascist Spain... what WAS that moron's name?

No, mickeye... here's the good news... you don't have to.... you can make the U.S.A. be like the strong, beligerent, pit-bull that you dream it is.

HOW?????(I hear that little voice in you head asking.)

Simple. You include the masses. Everyone MUST have healthcare, everyone MUST have a good retirement to look forward to and there simply ARE no homeless... BECAUSE... America looks after it's masses... America is GREAT...

After that.. you will have the pubescent kids lining up at the recruiting office... Canada, then Germany... shoot mickeye... eventually even Saudi Arabia would be joining in against the 'War on Terror'... 'litterally'(joke) jumping on the 'Bandwagon.' Don't just think 'great' mickeye...be GREAT... this is National Socialism BTW

pboyfloyd at 5:35PM on Apr 29th 2007

6. You people Fucking disgust me. The majority of the comments you read weren't cracks directed at liberals. They were hopeful, and what seemed to be, fair predictions of what should still be considered a righteous effort. Yeah it's great you talk about the liberal support back then, but where are the double-talking back stabbers to support our troops, their sons and daughters now. They are busy drawing up another feeble attempt to sabotage us from continuing to help those in need. I listen to those who put the truth on. I listen to what my brothers in arms have to say. We are gaining ground over there despite the left's every plot to stop us from being able to do our job. Do me a favor big guy and put in a few hours of real dedication to something other than your own ego and maybe you can have an opinion too, just like those of us who earn ours!

jpj at 5:38PM on Apr 29th 2007

7. jpj,

If Bush decided to invade England, would you call for him not to? If you did, Karl Rove would call you a traitor just like you would call anyone who wants to minimize U.S. involvement in Iraq a traitor.

Those quotes which you refer to as "hopeful" were just pathetic and wrong. Bill Kristol is still everywhere even though he was dead wrong. Nobody at FOX lost a job for being dead wrong. Don't any of you guys value competence?

lil_turk at 6:00PM on Apr 29th 2007

8. @jpj.
70% of your 'one nation,(under God), indivisible..' seem to be against your, "Don't eye-ball me, soldier." attitude.

You seem to be saying that you are fighting for democracy, even though democracy, in fact, disgusts you.

Well, 'HOO-fuckin'-RAH!' you simpleton. Teary-eyed gazing at the flag is NOT, repeat NOT, a good substitute for getting that 'grunt-sweating-in-the-desert-sun-waiting-to-be-blown-up-real-good' home alive.... got that soldier... don't eye-ball me fucktard!!

pboyfloyd at 7:01PM on Apr 29th 2007

9. Joe Wilson American Hero. Thank you Mr. Tenet

Barry Sinrod

It won't take till morning when the Republicans will announce that George Tenet is a liar and that his medal is being taken back. After his interview on 60 minutes tonight, it further confirms that the war was completely the fault of Cheney, Rove and Bush. No evidence whatsoever to justify this war in Iraq.

Mr. Tenet was thrown to the wolves once he uttered "slam dunk". The administration took it out of context and Cheney has used it over and over again on Meet the Press and for the past four years.

It was a lie! The administration must be prosecuted and sent to prison.

Thank you Joe Wilson. Only people in the room were Tenet, Andy Card, Cheney and Bush and the leak had to come from one of them to the idiot columnist Novak. Plain and simple. Treasonous to leak the name of ANY CIA agent.

barry sinrod at 7:48PM on Apr 29th 2007

10. think a little more about who had any solutions when the war did take a sectarian turn.
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Who? Try the CIA, the State Department and the Army War College.

Steve J. at 2:07AM on Apr 30th 2007

11. Seems to me someone is using multiple posts to make it look as though 70% poles are real. I think by reading different posts at many sites there is more like a 50 - 50 split if anything and the ones who keep telling us the poles are 70 - 30 are telling us a lie.
Is it possible to rig the poles when you hold all
the chads from the votes? Dah, Yes! I wonder if a person could rig a computer to count one side votes twice and eliminate some on the others side, dah, yes!
If the liberal press remembers one of their great
leaders put out a story which we found was a lie, he defended what he wrote against Mr Bush by saying he believed the lie was true. Of course he was put out to pasture after that because it was hard to hide a bunch of bull in a china closet. When you live in a glass world where people look in you cannot hide "every" lie.
I didn't see the libral press or anyone for that matter with the exception of Paul Harvey on his rest of the story, make mention of a little fact.
It seems the white House said when the commander of the entire US Navy was gunned down on his front lawn while he was out getting his news paper for breakfast, he commited suicide because of a ribbon on his uniform he had not really earned out of shame. Paul Harvey to his credit said the rest of the story was someone in the department of the Navy had contacted him about six months later and shared that the commander had in fact earned every medal on his uniform. Kind of funny how Paul Harvey had to leave radio shortly after that. Did someone at the top of the White House back then put a stop to the problem? Seems funny how we only hear one little bleep and silence?
I spent only two years in the US Army in Vietnam and rose to be an SP 5 E 5 and was on many thousands of miles of convoys rising to finally get to be an NCOIC on a hard truck (armored with machine guns and an M 79 I carried.
I wonder how the commander commited suicide on the front lawn while he was getting his morning paper by shooting himself multiple times in the chest. Sounds more like a hit to me as once hit in the chest you loose the ability to keep pulling the trigger. You drop to your knees from the shock of the bullit hitting you. If it was a hit, why did the White House under President Bill Clinton jump so fast to paint a hero as a tragic man? Why, I do not have a clue as it was covered up so fast, it makes me wonder, do you wonder? Why when the press seems to beat every good story to death, this one was swept under the rug in a couple days never to surface except the little blip on Paul Harvey, seems
strange to me.
Another famous shooting that seemed to get swept under the rug was President John Kennedy. The first person I seen get hit in Vietnam was an RVN lt and
when the bullet hit him in the forehead his head snapped back and caused his body to do a backwards summer sault. I don't know why but the first thing I thought about when I seen that was how President John Kennedy had been hit on the second shot from the front and his body reacted just like this mans and he was pushed back in the seat grabbing his throat. When you look at the pictures, the hole in his throat looks like an entrance wound not an exit wound but what would someone that only spent two years in war know. Why do we have to wait 50 years to see all the real evidence, is that so everyone involved will be dead or so close it will not matter that had something to do with the cover up?
Did we get to see the real evidnce or pictures that have been doctored over time? Just like the pristeen bullet on the gurney, which for some reason is still around which linked only one gun to the shooting?
It was a cover up! So was the US Navy commanders death a coverup and we little sheep wag our tails believe their lies and do nothing when someone killed both of these War Hero's in front of us. It was not done in a closet like most suicides and it seems a little strange to me how easy it was put under the rug by the liberal press? Is the liberal press going to post things which are against their best men, I hardly think so. ex President Bill Clinton got a pass every time by them for whatever he did. Did he get to lie to not just the public but the Congress and get away with it, yes big time. Did he in fact persecute three State troopers out because they caught him with a hooker? Why if a person knows more than two people who commit suicide, they end up a suspect yet ex President Bill Clinton has had many he knew who commited suicide, even two of his personal lawyers when they had knowledge about certain cases he was under investigation for. Seems strange to me no one has put two and two together? President Bush fires 8 people at his discretion and there is such an uproar but when ex President BilL Clinton fired all of them and apointed a special person over the investigation against him, not a hint of wrong from the liberal press, kind of makes me wonder, does it make you wonder?

William Ehlert at 1:50PM on Apr 30th 2007

12. William Ehlert,

So much nonsense here. Of the eight attorneys fired by Bush recently, how many were holdovers appointed by Clinton? Since you'll never look it up for yourself, I'll put the answer at the end. Are you claiming that Clinton wasn't investigated regarding Foster? What do you think Ken Starr was doing? How much money went into Starr's investigations? What's this nonsense about Paul Harvey (winner of PMF from Bush) leaving radio? And isn't this post ostensibly about pundits who can't get it right and receive wide Republican acclaim because of it?


1)None were holdovers. All were Bush appointees.
2)Starr burned up $40 million investigating.
3)This is a map of Harvey's radio coverage: http://www.paulharvey.com/affiliates/ What are you yammering about?

lil_turk at 9:53PM on Apr 30th 2007

13. To poster number 1... If prewar intelligence wasn't COMPRIMISED to make it in favor of going to war, this war wouldn't have happened in the first place!!! So shut your neo-Konservative trap. All you do is regurgitate the same filthy nonsense over and over again. The lot of you are nothing but mindless mouthpieces for Rush, Anne and the rest of those pigs.

Chris at 8:01AM on May 1st 2007