Rebuffing a demand by leaders of the global Anglican Communion to bring their practices into line with those of traditional Christianity, the executive council of the American Episcopal Church has declared that it prefers "to embrace people who have historically been marginalized."
This is intended to account for the Episcopal church's decision to ordain a gay bishop and open its doors to gays and lesbians, but if that is the stated criterion, aren't we forgetting some other historically marginalized groups here?
--Convicts Who Have Been Found Guilty of Violent Crimes (more marginalized now than ever before)
--Child Molesters (marginalized even within the prison population!)
--Serial Killers (admired in the movies, but otherwise very marginalized since at least the days of Jack the Ripper)
--Pedophiles (so marginalized that even gays keep their distance, and all for holding that there's nothing magical about being "of age")
--Polygamists (marginalized for holding the view, "Why Stop at Two?")
--Skinheads (more marginalized today than the groups they seek to marginalize)
This is hardly a complete list, and I'm sure I'll be hearing shortly from nudists, swingers, wife-swappers, Nazis, and other groups I've left off my list. Even so, I think I've given the folks on the Episocal Church council an excellent place to start. Episcopals have been rapidly losing members in recent decades. The council seem to have now developed a great recovery strategy: to recruit and ordain members of all historically marginalized groups, without regard to whether the beliefs and action of those groups fit in with the traditional Christian agenda. This could prove a winning approach. Think how the Episcopal Church could once again boost its numbers by seeking and ordaining Skinheads, Child Molesters, Polygamists, and Serial Killers!
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puziqkkolf at 10:27AM on Jan 24th 2009
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Might as well make homosexuality a crime while you're at it. Oh wait....that's been done before. Then when they still won't stop being gay despite your laws banning the practice, why not just stone them to death. That'll make them stop having sex with each other through general deterrence! The ends will justify the means. Annnnd now we've come full circle.
Of course, using your logic, if you accept one previously marginalized group, you have to accept them all. So we have to take that same all or nothing approach to punishment for gays.
By the way....lay off the wife-swappers, we ain't hurtin' nobody.
Peter at 10:40PM on Jun 17th 2007
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All kidding aside, fundamentally what this comes down to is, you believe homosexuality is a lifestyle choice and therefore can be socially controlled (to varying degrees, see above post). What you base that on, I'm not sure, considering it has existed throughout the whole of documented human history despite various degrees of punishment.
But in response to your assumption, do you think animals are capable of making lifestyle choices? Because homosexuality has been observed amongst 450 different species. Did those gay Lion's decide, while chowing down on the Zebra, that they looked absolutely FABULOUS in red? Because they don't want anything to do with the females anymore. Or how about the gay penguins who mated for life and rejected the advances of females?
Are animals capable of making those kinds of choices contrary to the perpetuation of their species?
Peter at 12:29AM on Jun 18th 2007
4. In other words, D'Souza considers homosexuality the equivalent of child molestation and serial murder.
In other words, D'Souza is a Nazi.
richter at 12:29AM on Jun 18th 2007
5. Yeah, we need to get back to basics. Public stonings of homosexuals, albinos, the left-handed, stutterers, the harelipped, etc. They belong in the same category as child-molesters, serial killers, and pedophiles. Right DD? You fascist twit.
Joe Bob at 3:05AM on Jun 18th 2007
6. Luke 7;36-8:3 makes quite clear the imperative of hospitality to the marginalized especially when faced with the inhospitality of the self-righteus. Tony Campolo said it was one of those rare moments when the right words came to him, when asked what kind of church he belonged to. He said quietly, “I belong to a church that throws birthday parties for whores at 3:30 in the morning.”
seamus at 7:01AM on Jun 18th 2007
7. Jesus, of course, never had time for "social deviants," and instead spent all his time supporting and validating the self-proclaimed "righteous" of his day, such as the Pharisees. Right?
Rampart at 8:24AM on Jun 18th 2007
8. So, according to Mr. D'Souza, gays are "social deviants" now? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Dr. Laura Schlessinger has already made this claim.
I don't understand why the center-right has to be so anti-gay... I mean, I can understand some of the "sanctity of marriage" arguments, but any person who believes that homosexuality should be a crime really needs to come out of the Victorian era and enter the modern world.
Nobody says that you have to "like" gays, befriend gays, or associate with gays, so is it too difficult to just tolerate their rights and let them live in peace? Unless your rights are being violated by gays, then there is really no reason to worry about them.
Tony Messinger at 10:31AM on Jun 18th 2007
9. I'm sorry that the author knows so little of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, or he wouldn't have written such foolishness.
Herb Gray at 3:13PM on Jun 18th 2007
10. thank you,dinesh,your frequent attacks on the gospel of jesus christ are so refreshing,and add so much to the world he loved...david
david at 10:47AM on Jun 18th 2007
11. Once again, AOL wastes a portion of its bandwith on Dinesh D'Souza's painfully public obsession with homosexuality, which expresses itself as a raging anti-gay bigotry that would seem over-the-top to a Nazi. This is a lifelong psychological issue for the Ayatollah D'Souza that stretches all the way back to his college days at Dartmouth, when he would “out” campus homosexuals by attending the meetings of gay rights groups and stealing the private correspondence of gay students. It must have been the best of both worlds for Dinesh -- publicly he was being a soldier in the ranks of right-wing homophobes, while privately he was able to hang out with homosexuals and at least vicariously live the lifestyle that so thoroughly dominates his thoughts.
If AOL had an ounce of mercy toward Mr. D'Souza -- and us -- they would tell Dinesh to work out his problems on a shrink's couch, not on this blog.
By the way, the Ayatollah’s one-line Newsbloggers bio refers to him as "the Rishwain Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University." Well, here is what the American Prospect's blog "Tapped" had to say just this past weekend:
"Consider, for instance, the California-based Hoover Institution, which has "scholars" like Peter Schweizer, author of Do as I Say (Not as I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy. This intellectually incoherent smear job on the personal lives of predictable targets like Michael Moore and Barbara Streisand has zero value in terms of policy analysis."
In other words, the Hoover Institute is one of those wingnut propaganda mills masquerading as think tanks, whose contributors are basically wildly over-paid whores. In such a crowd, naturally D'Souza is a star.
richter at 11:23AM on Jun 18th 2007
12. I think D’Souza’s criticism of the Episcopal Church’s defense of its actions is on target. Saying that its support of gay marriage was done "to embrace people who have historically been marginalized." is a silly argument and D’Souza’s post shows how dumb that argument is. The only real reason for a church to sanction gay marriage is because the church believes gay marriages are an acceptable union. This is undoubtedly real reason the Episcopal Church of America has sanctioned gay marriages. Saying other wise is a copout that does neither the church or the gay marriage movement any favor.
Greg at 11:50AM on Jun 18th 2007
13. What a childish rant, and biggoted to boot.
But congratulations to the Episcoples for opening their doors to everyone in society. I wonder if Pastor Ted will join? Adulter Newt? Adulter and accused felon Delay? Republican candidates who are serial adulters....Rudy. and.. well just about the whole bunch? What about convicted felony liar Libby? and felon Cunningham? Not to mention that most serial killers are good repubs. Hey how about Foley? I almost forgot him.
It seems this new Espicople Church is custom MADE for GOP.
Betty at 11:57AM on Jun 18th 2007
14. The fact of the matter is that regardless of what any of you think, if the American Episcopal Church will not change it's course, it will of necessity need to split with the lerger international Anlgican Convention.
Ken Berg at 12:30PM on Jun 18th 2007
15. OOps - I meant "larger international Anglican Convention".
Ken Berg at 12:31PM on Jun 18th 2007