466. My problem is: WHy does gay have to be explained? OK, so assuming its genetic. Are you gonna let us be and let us live freely? Probably not. If it is a choice, then what?, if I don't change my choice then off with my head??? Please people, gays are here to stay and to live freely dammit, just like every human being should! Genetically programmed or by choice. We don't need idiots like you Dinesh offer us such conclusive results on the origins of the gays, those evil gays.

MT at 8:29AM on Jul 1st 2007

467. Ahh, the sweet smells of passion,... sweat, body odors, perfumes/colognes, saliva and FECAL matter. Nothing like looking back on that sort of fun while wearing an adult diaper because your anal sphincter and colon have been ruptured from years of tearing it up

Dr. Phil at 3:15PM on Jul 1st 2007

468. Please explain.....

In supporting this man's view on the nature of homosexuality, how does the bible become relevant?
For one thing what you people take as gospel, is not written in "God's" own hand, nor in the original language.

The Bible was originally written in Aramiac, It was first put to parchment, by people "Who Claimed" it was the word of some diety, that was spoken just to them. (Well that in itself, would make me want to put them on Prozac) Now if that were not enough, those pages, over the last two or so thousand years depending on if you are reading the "Old" or "New" Testament, have been translated by people... with all their agendas. foilbles not to mention illiteracy and yeah ok Need to be superior to everyone else....What one word means in one language...means somthing completely different in another language. So, consider the way those words might have changed over the hundreds or thousands of translations and or publications at the hand of man.
If you do believe in a higher power, then the one commonality in all in all modern day religions, would be that the "TEN Commandments" were the Law as handed down By "God" to Man "10 Commandments" whether they were gods words or mans...those words have not changed in thousands of years....They were good words regardless of the source and no where in them is there any reference to man's sexuality.....

And then yet one more thing to take into account; Let it just be noted Historically, that the vast majority of all Genocide, Murder Hatred against men, religions and countries or differences of phillosophy have been preformed in the name of The Church and religion... Because Mans Nature...not any "God's" is such that intollerance for anything or anyone different from you, must be driven down and destroyed.... To the Christians... "Your Jesus Christ" would Jump down from the crusifix" and strike you down for bastardizing his philosophy of love and acceptance.... You should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to use a religions document, Valid or not to try to make yourselves seem better than your neighbors. I'd say that Christ's Dad will get you if he does not.
Perhaps a cosmic Kick in the Butt will show you the true path to Enlightenment.

Michael at 4:00PM on Jul 1st 2007

469. "Ahh, the sweet smells of passion,... sweat, body odors, perfumes/colognes, saliva and FECAL matter. Nothing like looking back on that sort of fun while wearing an adult diaper because your anal sphincter and colon have been ruptured from years of tearing it up"

Just like your liver from years of drinking alcohol.

Do you drink alcohol? Have fun later in life with health problems.

Knight_of_BAAWA at 5:17PM on Jul 1st 2007

470. this d'souza person is considered an academic? his logic is flawed and his comments seem like they are coming from someone with a very low IQ... i'm not trying to be mean, but come on, this guy is considered a smart person when his reasoning skills are this bad?

thewildpoet at 8:53PM on Jul 1st 2007

471. Wow, I never thought that so many gays could not own up to the fact that 90% of them have made a choice to have sex with a member of the same sex.
Do you think it's hereditary? If it were hereditary they would be no gays! The law of natural selection would have killed them off thousands of years ago. Think about it. That said, who cares! They've made their bed. Just don't try brainwashing our children into believing that it is hereditary. LOL. Go suck a dick.

Reginald Wangdinger III at 10:16PM on Jul 1st 2007

472. Greek society evidences a variety of opinions and practices around male homosexual behavior. The article is right that the bulk was framed in a mentoring pederastic ideology rather than the modern paradigm of co-equal relationships among adults. But despite the sense that the pederastic relationships were time delimited ("once the beloved grew a beard".... he was no longer deserable to the lover. Instead he was expected to shift roles and as a lover seek and take his own beloved.) there were clearly exceptioons. The myth recounted in Plato's Symposium that all of humanity was quadripedal and two-faced until angering the gods who split them apart, leaving each half "looking for it's other half" provides a crude descriptive taxonomy of sexual desire in the culture. If the original creature was androgenous (as most said to be) the other half was of the opposite gender; if the original creature were female, the result was Sappho and her sisters; if the original was male, that explained the situations the revelers at the Symposium knew of where male couples were devoted to one another for life, quite outside the pederastic merry-go-round. This is clearly not the last word about Love in the Symposium, but it does provide a description into the ways many people in that culture expereinced sexual attraction... and even fuels many a modern country song where one longs for "their other half."

Rev Mark Lee at 12:38AM on Jul 3rd 2007

473. Dinesh: instead of relying on Plato's Symposium and making groundless assertions without any empirical data regarding current sexual practices in Greece and Rome, perhaps the time you devote to this topic would be better spent studying Science of Desire: The Gay Gene and the Biology of Behavior, by Dean Hamer, Chief of the Section on Gene Structure and Regulation in the Department of Biochemistry at the National Cancer Institute.

Then again you could simply inquire of your local priest what God, through Holy Writ and Holy Tradition, has revealed regarding Xq28. My guess is "nothing." There are limits to what ancient mystics knew about biology and a whole host of other topics, as all rational, fair-minded people who study the facts will agree.

Jeff Leach at 10:26AM on Jul 3rd 2007

474. I find the "[h]as the gene pool changed that much?" question to be rather amusing. I suppose D’Souza is unaware of the Vandal, Goth, Lombard, Norman and Arab settlement of Italy, and the various Slavic, Bulgarian and Turkish settlements in Greece (as well as the inflow of Greeks from Turkey and Russia after 1919/1921, many of whose ancestors only became Hellenised some time between Alexander the Great and the Byzantine Empire). Add to that a couple thousand years which include some major bottlenecks (much of the Dark Ages, Justinians devastating reconquest of Italy, much of Ottoman rule in Greece…) and there’s no way that one could say that the frequency of any given gene or group of interacting genes is likely to have remained unchanged. There’s lots of room for changes in gene frequencies) in 100 generations.

Ian at 1:13PM on Jul 3rd 2007

475. Good lord...I wouldn't have imagined it possible, but this man appears to be growing stupider with every article. This argument, the latest in a string of nonsensical arguments, is so breathtakingly sophomoric, so historically ignorant, so downright...well, DUMB that one wonders if perhaps some clueless but overzealous teenager has purloined Mr. D'Souza's login and password and is forging articles under his name.

Witness here the shattered remains of a once coherent and passionate conservative thinker led astray by his idols and rendered moot by his own hubris...

Bill Snedden at 4:48PM on Jul 3rd 2007

476. The odd thing is, D'Souza wasn't even paying close attention to the arguments in The Symposium. Plato in his metaphor for Eros, makes the case for a non-pederastic, constitutional homosexual sexual orientation.

His metaphor for sexual orientation not only included homosexuality but elevated homosexual eros to the same level as heterosexual eros. Further, his metaphor was not about pederasty, but about homosexual love between equals. It was about “longing” for the other half of an equal self, both “halves” brought into existence at the same time and then split in two.

Plato was wise enough to recognize their existence and the unchosen, “state of being” aspect of homosexual attraction. Maybe D'Souza should have read the book more carefully.

Jon Rowe at 9:47PM on Jul 3rd 2007

477. it has to be genetics. why would two guys who look the same, smell the same, suddenly find attraction to his own? because either one or both, thinks he's a woman. you don't learn to act this way, it's inside them. they couldn't change to hetero anymore than convert over to gay islam.

mr lee at 10:52PM on Jul 3rd 2007

478.
Assuming that the popular assertions about homosexuality, namely that is strictly a matter of choice and upbring, are correct (and the evidence supporting that notion is equally inconclusive) I have so far heard no explanation for why, exactly, homosexual behavior is a problem in our society or any. Someone want to fill me in here?

Peter at 12:42AM on Jul 4th 2007

479. Look at this interesting article from a major leader of the gay rights who goes straight......now, THIS is straight from the horse's mouth:----------------------------------------------------------------------------
How a 'gay rights' leader became straight

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Posted: July 3, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: See the news story about Michael Glatze in today's WND, titled "'Gay'-rights leader quits homosexuality."
By Michael Glatze


Homosexuality came easy to me, because I was already weak.

My mom died when I was 19. My father had died when I was 13. At an early age, I was already confused about who I was and how I felt about others.

My confusion about "desire" and the fact that I noticed I was "attracted" to guys made me put myself into the "gay" category at age 14. At age 20, I came out as gay to everybody else around me.

At age 22, I became an editor of the first magazine aimed at a young, gay male audience. It bordered on pornography in its photographic content, but I figured I could use it as a platform to bigger and better things.

Sure enough, Young Gay America came around. It was meant to fill the void that the other magazine I'd worked for had created – namely, anything not-so-pornographic, aimed at the population of young, gay Americans. Young Gay America took off.

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Gay people responded happily to Young Gay America. It received awards, recognition, respectability and great honors, including the National Role Model Award from major gay organization Equality Forum – which was given to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien a year later – and a whole host of appearances in the media, from PBS to the Seattle Times, from MSNBC to the cover story in Time magazine.

I produced, with the help of PBS-affiliates and Equality Forum, the first major documentary film to tackle gay teen suicide, "Jim In Bold," which toured the world and received numerous "best in festival" awards.

Young Gay America created a photo exhibit, full of photographs and stories of gay youth all across the North American continent, which toured Europe, Canada and parts of the United States.

Young Gay America launched YGA Magazine in 2004, to pretend to provide a "virtuous counterpart" to the other newsstand media aimed at gay youth. I say "pretend" because the truth was, YGA was as damaging as anything else out there, just not overtly pornographic, so it was more "respected."

It took me almost 16 years to discover that homosexuality itself is not exactly "virtuous." It was difficult for me to clarify my feelings on the issue, given that my life was so caught up in it.

Homosexuality, delivered to young minds, is by its very nature pornographic. It destroys impressionable minds and confuses their developing sexuality; I did not realize this, however, until I was 30 years old.

YGA Magazine sold out of its first issue in several North American cities. There was extreme support, by all sides, for YGA Magazine; schools, parent groups, libraries, governmental associations, everyone seemed to want it. It tapped right into the zeitgeist of "accepting and promoting" homosexuality, and I was considered a leader. I was asked to speak on the prestigious JFK Jr. Forum at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government in 2005.

It was, after viewing my words on a videotape of that "performance," that I began to seriously doubt what I was doing with my life and influence.

Knowing no one who I could approach with my questions and my doubts, I turned to God; I'd developed a growing relationship with God, thanks to a debilitating bout with intestinal cramps caused by the upset stomach-inducing behaviors I'd been engaged in.

Soon, I began to understand things I'd never known could possibly be real, such as the fact that I was leading a movement of sin and corruption – which is not to sound as though my discovery was based on dogma, because decidedly it was not.

I came to the conclusions on my own.

It became clear to me, as I really thought about it – and really prayed about it – that homosexuality prevents us from finding our true self within. We cannot see the truth when we're blinded by homosexuality.

We believe, under the influence of homosexuality, that lust is not just acceptable, but a virtue. But there is no homosexual "desire" that is apart from lust.

In denial of this fact, I'd fought to erase such truth at all costs, and participated in the various popular ways of taking responsibility out of human hands for challenging the temptations of lust and other behaviors. I was sure – thanks to culture and world leaders – that I was doing the right thing.

Driven to look for truth, because nothing felt right, I looked within. Jesus Christ repeatedly advises us not to trust anybody other than Him. I did what He said, knowing that the Kingdom of God does reside in the heart and mind of every man.

What I discovered – what I learned – about homosexuality was amazing. How I'd first "discovered" homosexual desires back in high school was by noticing that I looked at other guys. How I healed, when it became decidedly clear that I should – or risk hurting more people – is that I paid attention to myself.

Every time I was tempted to lust, I noticed it, caught it, dealt with it. I called it what it was, and then just let it disappear on its own. A huge and vital difference exists between superficial admiration – of yourself, or others – and integral admiration. In loving ourselves fully, we no longer need anything from the "outside" world of lustful desire, recognition from others, or physical satisfaction. Our drives become intrinsic to our very essence, unbridled by neurotic distractions.

Homosexuality allows us to avoid digging deeper, through superficiality and lust-inspired attractions – at least, as long as it remains "accepted" by law. As a result, countless miss out on their truest self, their God-given Christ-self.

Homosexuality, for me, began at age 13 and ended – once I "cut myself off" from outside influences and intensely focused on inner truth – when I discovered the depths of my God-given self at age 30.

God is regarded as an enemy by many in the grip of homosexuality or other lustful behavior, because He reminds them of who and what they truly are meant to be. People caught in the act would rather stay "blissfully ignorant" by silencing truth and those who speak it, through antagonism, condemnation and calling them words like "racist," "insensitive," "evil" and "discriminatory."

Healing from the wounds caused by homosexuality is not easy – there's little obvious support. What support remains is shamed, ridiculed, silenced by rhetoric or made illegal by twisting of laws. I had to sift through my own embarrassment and the disapproving "voices" of all I'd ever known to find it. Part of the homosexual agenda is getting people to stop considering that conversion is even a viable question to be asked, let alone whether or not it works.

In my experience, "coming out" from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I've ever experienced in my entire life.

Lust takes us out of our bodies, "attaching" our psyche onto someone else's physical form. That's why homosexual sex – and all other lust-based sex – is never satisfactory: It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one. Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason.

Abnormal means "that which hurts us, hurts normal." Homosexuality takes us out of our normal state, of being perfectly united in all things, and divides us, causing us to forever pine for an outside physical object that we can never possess. Homosexual people – like all people – yearn for the mythical true love, which does actually exist. The problem with homosexuality is that true love only comes when we have nothing preventing us from letting it shine forth from within. We cannot fully be ourselves when our minds are trapped in a cycle and group-mentality of sanctioned, protected and celebrated lust.

God came to me when I was confused and lost, alone, afraid and upset. He told me – through prayer – that I had nothing at all to be afraid of, and that I was home; I just needed to do a little house cleaning in my mind.

I believe that all people, intrinsically, know the truth. I believe that is why Christianity scares people so much. It reminds them of their conscience, which we all possess.

Conscience tells us right from wrong and is a guide by which we can grow and become stronger and freer human beings. Healing from sin and ignorance is always possible, but the first thing anyone must do is get out of the mentalities that divide and conquer humanity.

Sexual truth can be found, provided we're all willing and driven to accept that our culture sanctions behaviors that harm life. Guilt should be no reason to avoid the difficult questions.

Homosexuality took almost 16 years of my life and compromised them with one lie or another, perpetuated through national media targeted at children. In European countries, homosexuality is considered so normal that grade-school children are being provided "gay" children's books as required reading in public schools.

Poland, a country all-too familiar with the destruction of its people by outside influences, is bravely attempting to stop the European Union from indoctrinating its children with homosexual propaganda. In response, the European Union has called the prime minister of Poland "repulsive."

I was repulsive for quite some time; I am still dealing with all of my guilt.

As a leader in the "gay rights" movement, I was given the opportunity to address the public many times. If I could take back some of the things I said, I would. Now I know that homosexuality is lust and pornography wrapped into one. I'll never let anybody try to convince me otherwise, no matter how slick their tongues or how sad their story. I have seen it. I know the truth.

God gave us truth for a reason. It exists so we could be ourselves. It exists so we could share that perfect self with the world, to make the perfect world. These are not fanciful schemes or strange ideals – these are the Truth.

Healing from the sins of the world will not happen in an instant; but, it will happen – if we don't pridefully block it. God wins in the end, in case you didn't know.


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Michael Glatze is the former editor in chief of YGA Magazine and founder of Young Gay America.

mary irene at 3:40PM on Jul 5th 2007

480. Here's that other article, "GAY RIGHTS LEADER QUITS HOMOSEXUALITY"
Rising star in movement says God liberated him from lifestyle

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Posted: July 3, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Art Moore
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Michael Glatze with Matthew Shepard's mother, Judy Shepard (Harvard University photo)
He was a rising star in the "gay rights" movement, but Michael Glatze now declares not only has he given up activism – he's no longer a homosexual.

Glatze – who had become a frequent media source as founding editor of Young Gay America magazine – tells the story of his transformation in an exclusive column published today by WND.

Although Glatze cut himself off from the homosexual community about a year and a half ago, he says the column likely will surprise some people.

"This will actually be news to anybody I used to relate to," he told WND.

The radical change in his life, Glatze recalls, began with inner "promptings" he now attributes to God.

"I hope I can share my story," he said. "I feel strongly God has put me here for a reason. Even in the darkest days of late-night parties, substance abuse and all kinds of things – when I felt like, 'Why am I here, what am I doing?' – there was always a voice there.

"I didn't know what to call it, or if I could trust it, but it said 'hold on.'"

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Glatze said he became aware of homosexual feelings at about the age of 14 and publicly declared himself "gay" at age 20. Finally, after a decade in which his leadership role in the homosexual activist world grew – but alongside it, a mysterious inner conflict – he says he finally was "liberated."

In fact, he writes in his WND column today, "'coming out' from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I've ever experienced in my entire life."

Before "coming out" in his column today, Glatze contacted WND Managing Editor David Kupelian after reading his book, "The Marketing of Evil, which Glatze said "has given me so much help in my process of healing from the profound influences of evil in our current society."

"There is nothing that would give me more pleasure," he wrote to Kupelian, "than to say the Truth about 'homosexuality' and atone for my sins in that regard."

Glatze's transformation calls to mind that of another prominent "gay" magazine publisher who also has renounced her former lifestyle. Lesbian activist Charlene Cothran, longtime publisher of Venus magazine, became a Christian and gave her magazine a new mission "to encourage, educate and assist those who desire to leave a life of homosexuality." She adds: "Our ultimate mission is to win souls for Christ, and to do so by showing love to all God's people."

In his column, Glatze doesn't mince words, calling homosexual sex purely "lust-based," meaning it can never fully satisfy.

"It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one," he writes. "Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason."




After becoming editor of Young Gay America magazine at age 22, Glatze received numerous awards and recognition, including the National Role Model Award from the major homosexual-rights organization Equality Forum. Media gravitated toward him, leading to appearances on PBS television and MSNBC and quotes in a cover story in Time magazine called "The Battle Over Gay Teens."

He produced, with the help of PBS affiliates and Equality Forum, the first major documentary film to address homosexual teen suicide, "Jim In Bold," which toured the world and received numerous "best in festival" awards. Young Gay America's photo exhibit, telling the story of young people across North America, toured Europe, Canada and parts of the U.S.


Time, Oct. 10, 2006, quotes Glatze as expert

In 2004, Glatze moved from San Francisco to Halifax in eastern Canada where his partner, Young Gay America magazine's publisher, had family. The magazine, he said, sought to provide a "virtuous counterpart" to the other newsstand media aimed at homosexual youth.

But Glatze contends "the truth was, YGA was as damaging as anything else out there, just not overtly pornographic, so more 'respected.'"

In 2005, Glatze was featured in a panel with Judy Shepard, mother of slain homosexual Matthew Shepard, at the prestigious JFK Jr. Forum at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.

"It was after viewing my words on a videotape of that 'performance,'" he writes, "that I began to seriously doubt what I was doing with my life and influence."

"Knowing no one who I could approach with my questions and my doubts, I turned to God," he says. "I'd developed a growing relationship with God, thanks to a debilitating bout with intestinal cramps caused by the upset stomach-inducing behaviors I'd been engaged in."

Toward the end of his time with Young Gay America, Glatze said, colleagues began to notice he was going through some kind of religious experience.

Just before leaving, not fully realizing what he was doing, he wrote on his office computer his thoughts, ending with the declaration: "Homosexuality is death, and I choose life."

"I was so nervous, it was like I wasn't even writing it myself," he said.

Inexplicably, he told WND, he left the words on the screen for others to see.

"People who looked at it were stunned; they thought it was crazy," he said.

But he left his co-workers wondering about where he stood, never having fully explained his decision to step down.

Looking back on his old lifestyle, Glatze told WND whenever he had a sense that he was doing something wrong, "I would I just attribute it to, 'that's just the way life is.'"

"If ever I were to question anything, [my colleagues] would say, 'You're such an idealist.'"

Glatze said he thought opponents of homosexual activism were "mean and crazy, and they wanted to hurt me."

"I thought they were out to get me," he said. "They made me really, really mad – and scared, I think. I wanted them to go away."

Glatze said he couldn't allow himself to think they were sincere in their beliefs.

But he now has deep respect for a Christian aunt who disapproved of his lifestyle.

She "was never judgmental, but always firm," he said.

Read Michael Glatze's WND column today, "How a 'gay rights' leader became straight"




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mary irene at 3:45PM on Jul 5th 2007