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Muslim Girls Choose Scouts Over Vagina Monologues

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Posted Nov 29th 2007 8:43AM by Dinesh D'Souza
Filed under: Islam, Gay and Lesbian, Cultural Left, History

Lord Baden Powell, the founder of the Boy Scout movement, would have been surprised! He wanted his Scouts to be troopers for the British empire. Young British boys and girls, learning the techniques of survival and camaraderie and civilized behavior even in stressful conditions.
But the Scouts movement has spread worldwide, and now the New York Times reports that Muslim girls are joining the Girl Scouts in many American cities. Why? Basically in order to assimilate and become American! "It's kind of cool to say you are a girl scout," one Muslim girl says. "It is good to have something to associate yourself with other Americans. I like to be able to say that I am a girl scout just like any other normal girl."

Sure, some of the Muslim clubs are a little different in that they incorporate Muslim traditions. In Minneapolis one of the Scout groups is called the Khadija Club after the prophet Muhammad's first wife. So far Muslim groups have shown no hesitation, however, in extending membership to non-Muslims.

To some liberals, it may seem surprising that young Muslim girls are joining a conservative group like the Scouts. Recall that the Scouts have been hauled into court several times for refusing to embrace homosexuality. Some liberal groups are outraged that the Boy Scouts is uncomfortable with the idea of gay troop leaders taking young boys into the wilderness! Such prudery!

But it is precisely the traditional values of the Scouts that draw young Muslims. Somehow these religious and modest girls are not attracted by what liberal culture has to offer. Given the choice of trying out for "The Vagina Monologues" or taking up Scouting, they prefer Scouting. If he knew this, that wily old imperialist Lord Baden Powell would have chuckled.

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46. It is a good sign that MORE Muslims are getting involved in Scouting troops.

I grew up in the west and was in a Muslim Boy Scout troop twenty years ago. I think we were one of the original Islamic groups back in the day.

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Saleem Siddiqui at 4:01PM on Nov 29th 2007

47. Does anyone know what Steve #43 is whining about?

He needs to show what posts he is talking about.

Linda at 4:03PM on Nov 29th 2007

48. "Some liberal groups are outraged that the Boy Scouts is uncomfortable with the idea of gay troop leaders taking young boys into the wilderness! Such prudery!"
Oh, I see, because Gay guys just can't resist little boys. Then again, you hang around churches alot, so I can understand why'd you think that.

kckid125 at 4:05PM on Nov 29th 2007

49. So Knight relies on Penn & Teller for his theological and political perspectives.
Hmmm….

Let’s reviews some facts:

The Mormon church (LDS) was the first institutional sponsor of the BSA (1913 I believe).
Scouting is an official program of the LDS (I believe LDS boys are required to participate in BSA)
The LDS is the largest $ contributor to the BSA.
Depending on the year, ~20% of scouts are members of the LDS (~400,000)

These facts could be used to support the position that the BSA is an arm of the LDS.

However, there are some other facts that dispute that claim:
The Roman Catholic church is the 4th largest $ contributor.
~20% of scouts are members of the United Methodist church (~400,000)
The UMC sponsors MORE scout dens/troops (i.e., groups) than even the LDS!
If the Courts had ordered the BSA to allow gay scout leaders, the LDS was prepared to leave the BSA and create its own scouting program.

Note that this last fact suggests that the LDS's role is subservient to the BSA, not the other way.

Here is a list of church organizations that support the BSA:
African Methodist Episcopal
African Methodist Episcopal Zion
Armenian
Assembly of God
Baha'i
Baptist
Brethren
Buddhist
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Christian Methodist Episcopal
Christian Missionary Alliance
Christian Science
Church of Christ
Church of God
Cumberland PresbyterianEastern Orthodox
Eastern Rite Catholic
Episcopal
Friends
New Jerusalem (Swedenborgians)
Hindu
Islamic
Jewish
Lutheran
Meher Baba
Mennonite
Moravian
Mormon
Nazarene
Pentecostal
Polish National Catholic
Presbyterian Church of America
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Reformed
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Roman Catholic
Seventh Day Adventist
Salvation Army
Unitarian Universalist
United Church of Christ
United Methodist
Unity
Wesleyan
Zoroastrian

Hmmmm....

Using Knight’s logic, then, the USA is indeed a Christian nation.
I know this claim has been debated just recently by at least two different AOL blogs, but, it seems that Knight is now agreeing with many of those who claim that the USA is a Christian nation.
After all, Christians are the largest religious group in the USA.
Most of the founding fathers were “Christian”.
Most of the presidents were Christian.

Actually we can take Knight’s logic even further and claim that the USA is a Southern Baptist nation. Presidents Carter and Clinton (both active in SBC, at least during their presidencies) and the size of the SBC suggest that the USA is a Southern Baptist nation!

Wow! (snicker)

ray at 4:21PM on Nov 29th 2007

50. I was totally agreeing with DD this time until he brought in the fact that liberals will be astounded. I doubt anyone really cares that muslim Americans are starting their own scout troops. Binesh only tries to add controversy to everything he touches because he knows his blogs have become extremely polarized. (Also I liked on the first page whoever mentioned if they were boy troops what play would they be choosing it over...that was funny and proves my point) Binesh just writes something sits back and laughs smugly while saying to himself, "that ought to rile up the monkeys."

danny at 4:32PM on Nov 29th 2007

51. It's so funny to see amateurs try to out-logic the KNIGHT. He's a pro.

MC Hammer at 4:34PM on Nov 29th 2007

52. You are right, danny

DD is the king of Polemia

Linda at 4:37PM on Nov 29th 2007

53. Interesting, I have a few conservative friends who went to see "The Vagina Monologues" and loved it.
Kinda like that "Desperate Housewives" show is most popular in red states. Go figure.

David S. at 4:56PM on Nov 29th 2007

54. "Having said that, most of the comments posted about this blog are the meanest that I've ever seen on the web."

Bob's URL of a video replies to this tripe very well, fellow atheists. Keep on hammerin' the bastards!

http://onegoodmovemedia.org/movies/0711/patcondellwhydebatedogma.mov

brandon at 5:13PM on Nov 29th 2007

55. Dinesh - I'm concerned that your post could misinform people about the Girl Scouts. The Girl Scouts are not a conservative organization; they have given up on almost every principle on which they were founded nearly 100 years ago.

The trend toward political correctness in Girl Scouting began in the 1970s. Betty Friedan served on the national board. Since then, "loyalty" has been deleted from the Girl Scout law, as was the idea that a Girl Scout should be "clean in thought, word, and deed." Unlike the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts admit openly homosexual members and leaders and open atheists. They have frequently partnered with Planned Parenthood for their sex education programs.

Today's Girl Scouts are obsessed with self-esteem rather than honor and political correctness over personal character. An alternative is the American Heritage Girls, at www.ahgonline.org

Hans Zeiger
Eagle Scout
Scouting Legal Defense Fund
Author, Get Off My Honor: The Assault on the Boy Scouts of America

Hans Zeiger at 5:14PM on Nov 29th 2007

56. "the Girl Scouts admit openly homosexual members and leaders and open atheists. They have frequently partnered with Planned Parenthood for their sex education programs."

The horror! Why, they sound like...liberals!! I'm tossing my peanut butter cookies to the dogs!

Thanks, Hans, for proving Dinesh's original post and concept to be totally wrong. As well as weird...

brandon at 5:28PM on Nov 29th 2007

57. So Hans, could you please address the subject of BSA being a "paramilitary" arm of the Mormon church? Also, if you don't mind...just so we know where you're coming from...would you disclose whether or nor you are a practicing Mormon?

Josiejo at 5:28PM on Nov 29th 2007

58. oh look (snicker)

pathological liar ray was saying something (snicker)

Too bad that it's all a lie (snicker)

Everyone knows that nothing ray writes is the truth (snicker).

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Knight_of_BAAWA at 5:30PM on Nov 29th 2007

59. Unlike the *boy* scouts, which this article references, the girl scouts have always have never had rules in place that prevent lesbians from participating, something for which women's groups have praised them. Not only does this article conflate two things that have nothing to do with eachother, it's false on its basic premise.

Eva at 5:49PM on Nov 29th 2007

60. Sorry Hans.

I was in the girl scouts in the 50's and 60's and we were getting information on sex and menstruation then, long before Betty Friedan.

Girl scouts have always prided themselves on diversity and openness.

Linda at 5:49PM on Nov 29th 2007

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