It appears Muslim fundamentalists just assassinated Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan. It is not entirely clear they were responsible however. Not only was there a bombing (usual trademark of fundamentalist attacks), but Bhutto was also shot. So, it could be some other forces in Pakistan who were opposed to the former Prime Minister, including the government of Pervez Musharraf (after the assassination, Bhutto supporters were chanting, "Dog, Musharraf, Dog.").
If it was religious fundamentalists, it wouldn't be the first time. It would be about the one billionth time religious folks have resorted to violence to settle disputes. And they usually kill people trying to bring peace or empower others. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was killed by a Muslim fundamentalist for making peace with Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was killed by a Jewish fundamentalist for trying to make peace with the Palestinians. While Christian fundamentalists are busy trying to create the next Armageddon so we can all die. What a pleasant lot.
Why do they do this? Because they're supposed to. Read the Bible, the Torah and the Koran. They are all full of violent, bloody fantasies that teach you over and over to kill your enemies. Christians love to think they are the exception to this rule. They'll say the Old Testament doesn't really apply anymore because the New Testament overruled all the gory, masochists violence of the earlier book. So, then I guess Genesis isn't true either since that's in the Old Testament? Oops.
Then, you'll get the excuse that Jesus was the Prince of Peace. Yeah, I know, that's why in Matthew 10:34 he says, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Sounds down right Christian of him.
But even if you can make up pathetic excuses for this obvious blood-lust and call to violence, it doesn't matter. Because in the end Jesus murders almost all of us anyway. Jesus doesn't just kill the "liars" and the "sexually immoral" and the eight other categories of people who get thrown in "fiery lake of burning sulfur." He kills all of the "unbelieving" folks as well. If you don't believe in Jesus, you get the lake of fire! What a swell guy.
In most interpretations of Islam, Jesus is the prophet that returns at the end of time to kill everyone, too. The fundamentalist Jews also believe in a Messiah that comes to kill everyone and start the world over again. So, pretty much every major religion agrees -- God is a murdering tyrant.
If you don't kiss God's ass enough, he will kill you. And then for good measure, he will roast you over an open fire for the rest of time. You know who does torture? God does. If you don't believe in him and grovel at his feet for eternity he will torture you forever. That's what your religion teaches you and you want me to respect that?
You know what I say to that -- Hell no!
If Jesus really comes back to kill everyone (except his sycophants who sucked up to him enough to earn his pitiful mercy), then I'll fight him. He is a ruthless, bloody, senseless killer. The worst tyrant the world has ever seen. All of the religions believe in this absurd, sick fantasy. Then they wonder why their followers wind up starting wars and killing people who disagree with them.
Plenty has been written about how Christianity was made up in the Council of Nicaea by a bunch of bishops who cherry-picked inconsistent accounts to serve their political purposes (that is a slightly over-simplistic account, but everyone acknowledges that the Bible was written decades after Jesus died and was assembled by others who never knew Jesus or heard what he actually said).
How can anyone know this, and still believe in this nonsense? For the sake of sanity, I will assume that people who still believe in organized religion are ignorant of its history (and believe me, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism have equally ridiculous histories -- to people who aren't brainwashed by these cults, the most amusing thing is to watch one cultist claim that all the other religions are wrong but his is right).
But you can't claim you don't know the ending. Everyone knows what happens at Armageddon. Almost all of us get killed by God. Knowing this, you expect us to respect that guy? Why should I? He plans to murder me.
This is the point when believers will tell you that you have a choice and you can avoid Jesus killing you if you just promise your unending loyalty to him (and presumably watch him kill the rest of humanity in front of your eyes). I think Saddam Hussein used to say something similar. So did Stalin and Mao and every other dictator in the world. If you promise me your loyalty, then I won't murder you.
No thanks. I don't have to respect that. In fact, we are doing the world a great injustice by still respecting this lunacy.
The funny thing is how touchy religious people are. They will get offended at the drop of a hat. Christians reading this now are so mad they can hardly contain themselves. Just calm down, your God promises to torture me forever anyway. What can you do to me that he can't?
Meanwhile, Muslims are sharpening their swords as we speak. They get to shoot people in the neck and watch them bleed to death, as they likely did to Bhutto today, but we can't publish a frikin' cartoon of their prophet? Muslims who don't understand the irony of saying, "I will kill you if you say my religion is violent" are the dumbest people on earth.
So, we have to live with these barbarians. But I don't have to respect them. They can say anything they like about us and even look forward to the day where we all die a fiery death at the hands of their Leader. But we can't offend them? Please.
If you are offended by the fact that your religion is made up, cruel, violent, barbaric and ridiculous, that's your problem, not mine. If I'm right, you're living your life based on a silly lie. If you're right, I'll be murdered by your prophet and then roasted in hell for eternity. I think it's fair to say I should be the one offended.
For the record, I'm not. Harry Potter is just as likely to come to life and kill me for not believing in him as Jesus Christ is. I'm not offended by your sad, little fantasies. But please spare me your righteous indignation about how I hurt your feelings.
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706. Email from Godless Heathen Brian... It's a pathetic attempt to reach us with fear and shows all the hatred for us that you keep in your heart, because you think your Jesus wants you to hate us.
Hypochrist. Just another hypochrist.
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Brian:
Jesus taught to love our enemies, to love those that hate us. Those "christians" that don't practice this, are indeed hypocrites.
However, it appears to me that the hatred comes from you and the others of your ilk.
Most of the comments are simply insults, distortions, and name calling. Why don't you folks try arguing rationally, intelligently (and without the distortions)?
Tom Davis at 4:56PM on Jan 2nd 2008
707. By the way, who was the idiot who emailed that Hitler was a Christian?
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You must prove Hitler wasn't and you can't since he repeatedly declared himself one.
You only talk about rational discussions out of one side of your mouth. The other side calls the person who provided you with about 20 factual and irrefutable quotes from Hitler regarding his faith an 'idiot'. Yet you demand respect?
Just what about that is supposed to be deserving of respect? You only smell ad hominem attacks when they're incoming. It's hard to take you seriously when you're all over the place like that.
Clif Kuplen at 5:24PM on Jan 2nd 2008
708. Clif Kuplen, clone or clown?
GHB at 6:25PM on Jan 2nd 2008
709. Decaying atoms in space formed rock, the continuing gravitational forces formed planetary bodies, a molten core formed under pressure, after billions of years, it formed a star just like our Sun. It happened all over the Universe. No Big Bang.
The freezing of our polar icecaps caused the Earth's crust to twist and crack. No island of Pangia. The volcanic activity that followed, coupled with the upheaval of the now continental plates, enlarged our moon from its ash. As this process thinned the Earth's atmosphere, it allowed meteors to reach the surface, and also kill off the large reptiles inhabiting the swamps (dinosaurs).
P.S. They never walked on dry land, their feet would have been flat from the weight.
Religion is religion, if you do not understand the abstract language of religion... it is just Babel. So just keep babbling on atheist people (Babylon).
Eric at 7:11PM on Jan 2nd 2008
710. 705. Clif Kuplen, clone or clown?
GHB at 6:25PM on Jan 2nd 2008
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ghb, coward or pussy?
Clif Kuplen at 7:20PM on Jan 2nd 2008
711. AMEN!!!
Kat at 7:36PM on Jan 2nd 2008
712. A perfect male will know what religion is about, because he has everything.
A man with certain physical qualities will be approached by a faction of women, and be enlightened to what the Bible says.
A man with certain mental qualities will be approached by another faction of women, to be enlightened to another purpose of the Bible.
Whether approached by God, or approached by Christ. A man who is not approached will be a born atheist.
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Men who once ruled, having been replaced with a new model, will die in war. Being treated as if they were dinosaurs. If the new model man doesn't kill them, the Dinosaurs would rise again.
Remember Macedon, remember Archimedes. They were the last of those who preferred logic over a Mass of people worshiping an Ark.
Eric at 8:19PM on Jan 2nd 2008
713. Amen?? Tag... you're it!
GHB at 8:25PM on Jan 2nd 2008
714. FANTASTIC WRITING AND LONG OVERDUE!
The BuyBull Thumpers are working overtime to bring on Armageddon, for the most part they support Bush's mass murder spree in Iraq, and they just finished celebrating a mock holiday which pretends that their 'Savior' is a nice guy. They'll even support their mass-murdering hero Bush when they learn about all the evidence suggesting he and Cheney were behind the 9/11 attacks, so at least they're consistent even though they are completely dishonorable and despicable barely-human beings.
However, the sane among us must find a way to live with them, hopefully neutralize their toxic influence on America so that we can live in peace instead of religously-inspired hatred and war. Or else they will kill us all, imagining they alone will ride clouds up to Heaven in the Rapture.
DancesWithFascists at 9:06AM on Jan 3rd 2008
715. goddess said: "Now in our times there is more evidence that disproves your faith than support it.
Creation
The flood
The death and resurrection of Jesus
The trinity
All debunked by linguistics, archeology, history and the fact that more people are literate enough to read these plagiarized myths."
Please cite your referrences where these things are debunked.
Mark at 12:21PM on Jan 3rd 2008
716. Let's talk about mythology. I have a fantastical story composed by atheist dreamers whose very purpose in life hinges on the impossibilities in this myth.
It goes like this:
Once upon a time there was nothing. Well, there was something, but it was like nothing because it was nothing like the something we know as the universe. In fact, this nothing that was something was so small that it could fit in the palm of your hand. And the nothing that was something existed in another something that must have been the universe before the nothing exploded into something. And we're not quite sure where this something called the universe, in which the nothing which is something existed, came from. It just always existed. And since we can't figure out where it came from or how it always existed, we won't bother trying to figure that out. And, even though it is unreasonable to believe that something can exist infinitely or eternally within a time/space domain, we will choose to believe it anyways - but we are not people of faith.
Anyways, this this nothing that was something, or the something that came from nothing, was very tightly compressed. So tightly compressed was it, that it exploded into all of the matter and energy we see in the universe. Over time, the matter and energy released from this really big bang turned into stars and planets. Luckily, there was this one planet called earth, which was the perfect distance from this star called sun, and this moon called moon. And it contained all of the basic elements for the creation of organic material - life. Well, one day, some of these elements got together and chemical reactions took place, then life happened. We can't recreate it in a lab, but it is definitely scientific fact. Then, this life matter figured out how to reproduce, even though it doesn't have a mind... it just somehow knew what to do. Then it started changing. And now we have humans.
The End
Mark at 1:17PM on Jan 3rd 2008
717. Please cite your referrences where these things are debunked.
Mark at 12:21PM on Jan 3rd 2008
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let it go. If you have to ask for that, there won't be any answers for you. I read your next post. That's your superstition, and if it fufils you, great. Science literally has nothing to offer that could help you in any way. Stay with what you have and be glad everyone isn't like that or you'd see a cave when you look around.
Clif Kuplen at 2:57PM on Jan 3rd 2008
718. I have to wonder, what terrible sins Christians must think they have commited that would warrant a certain someone to have to get nailed to a cross and die for them? Murdering someone? I doubt all these Christians have killed people. Stealing? Lying? Nobody is going to die on a cross for some stealing or lying. Laws can more effectively punish people for that. Engaging in sexual pleasure perhaps? That's nothing to get nailed to a cross over. I would have to say murder is the only thing someone should get nailed to a cross over. And even then only the murderer should pay such a price. But even still, murderers surely make up less than 1% of the Christian population.
Assuming there is the cartoonish afterlife that so many wishfully believe in, I'm willing to pay whatever purgatorial punishment I deserve for my own transgressions. Isn't that REALLY how it should be anyway? Taking responsibility for your actions?
Oh but wait.... If I chose to take responsibility for my own actions and pay for my own transgressions, then I couldn't be controlled emotionally through fear, ignorace, shame, guilt, and the punishment and reward of this 'afterlife' - no matter how ludicrously out of proportion the reward and punishment are with regards to the behavior of my life.
Apparently it isn't even based on behavior, it's based on belief. Apparently you are rewarded for believing 'X' and punished for not believing 'X', no matter how little sense 'X' makes. In fact you don't dare question 'X', even if 'ABC' makes much more sense.
And even if 'X' makes as much sense as 'ABC', why such a harsh punishment for something you sincerely believe to be (or not to be) true?
fabio at 5:39PM on Jan 3rd 2008
719. you forgot scientology. the one true "religion." though i am an atheist, i will say that your rant is as one-sided as the fundamentalists. while one can agree/disagree with your historical facts/fictions,one can also "see & hear" the inconsistencies of the major religions in general. However, fundamentalists may get all the sound bites for their belief in "righteously" judging other and attempts to smother the masses with their cynical zealousness, they do not represent the majority of good people that abhor violence in the name of their religions. The essence of your article is on many levels accurate. Nontheless, you are a type of fudamentalist,too.
boredwell at 8:40PM on Jan 3rd 2008
720. What disturbs me about this entire thread is the way that bigotry against people with a particular viewpoint (relgious people) is being propagated here.
People nowadays think it's okay to brand entire groups of people based on belief versus skin or ethnicity. Just lovely.
You're ADDING to the problem, not resolving it. Congratulations.
Pete at 11:33AM on Jan 7th 2008