Debating Michael Shermer at Cal Tech
Shermer is the editor of Skeptic, columnist for Scientific American, and author of Why Darwin Matters and most recently The Mind of the Market. By contrast with Hitchens in his trenchcoat, Shermer looks like a guy you could trust to take your kids to the park. Shermer is almost congenitally optimistic, and he has none of that chronic nastiness that has come to define modern atheism. (Witness the temperament of some of the atheists on this blog, who provide excellent advertising for the psychological benefits of belief.) Shermer concedes that Christianity has done some good in the world. When asked if religion is a force for good or evil, he answers, "Yes." By this he means that religion is good when it does good and evil when it does evil. Shermer concedes that atheists can be vicious and draw their inspiration from atheist ideologies.
I first debated Shermer at Oregon State in October 2007. Then we debated in Washington DC at George Washington University. Our third and final debate for the year came December 9 at Cal Tech University in Pasadena. The third debate, moderated by the religion editor of the Los Angeles Times, was certainly our biggest and probably our liveliest encounter. There were more than a thousand people in the audience. I understand that lots of Cal Tech professors, and a couple of Nobel laureates, were present. Given the venue, the crowd was disproportionately scientific and technical.
The topics were "Is Religion a Force for Good in the World?" and "Can We Be Good Without God?" The debate ranged widely, however, and included discussions of the compatibility of science and religion, how science supports or undermines theism, etc. My favorite part of these debates is the cross-examination, when each side gets to pose questions to the other. I'm going to be posting on this debate over the next few days, each post accompanied by video footage. So here is the first segment, with me going first and attempting to set the agenda for the evening. Enjoy.
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616. Stig says, "How is it "more" enlightened to teach that ALL religion is bad..."
There are no 'teachers' of 'not believing in gods', Stig.
You can lump Stalinism, communism and atheism together to suit your agenda if you want, but you must know that, for the same reason that you wouldn't think of burning people at the stake(for any reason), atheists are not Stalinists or Maoists etc. etc.
You protest too muchee... just like D'Souza howling every now and then about atheists being god-haters and stalinists...
Now atheists might call people like you willfully ignorant but that's not a slur! To be willfully ignorant you must be AWARE of it.
But trying to 'win' an argument or debate by lying is disingenuous. e.g. D'Souza KNOWS fine that belief in the supernatural works by faith alone...not reason. So... hedging around disparaging people that work with reason or claiming faith by reason is disingenuous.
Even claiming that one is simply 'inquiring' while slamming atheists as totalitarian, basically accusing atheists of being Stalinists or Maoists etc. is obviously disingenuous.
You 'talk the talk' about me being like 'homo habilis'(how would you know how smart homo habilis was?) or being 'pompous'... which is basically calling someone vain...
.. well, some of you guys complain when atheists say that we're just animals... not vain enough(apparently)... and some of you guys complain when we're not complete morons(can actually read what you are saying and pick out where you're full of shit)...
... what... do you want it both ways? That is typical doublethink! If you're committed to this doublethink, I guess you don't want to give it up.
You, Stig, are NOT going to be in for a surprise when you die... dead people don't get surprised!
not-pboyfloyd at 6:23AM on Jan 22nd 2008