The quote below by Huckabee is so insane, I still can't quite believe it. If he really means what he says, he wants the turn the US into a Christian Taliban state, where we would be ruled by what Mike Huckabee believes is "God's standards." And how would Huckabee know what God wants?
Here is the unbelievable quote from Huckabee:
Please tell me Republicans aren't seriously considering nominating this guy. But this is only one of four crazy stories coming out of the Huckabee camp today. First, you can read about how he wants to change the constitution here. Then, read how he signed a document saying women should "submit" to their husbands. Then, read about how one of his senior advisers thinks we should post a cop in front of every mosque (imagine if he said that about synagogues) and that genocide against Sunnis in Iraq would be acceptable.
Then read about how he wants to stop all immigration from any country that sponsors or harbors terrorists. That would mean we would end immigration from "allies" like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Pakistan. It might even mean we end immigration from Germany where some of the 9/11 bombers lived and that recently released a defendant involved in the 9/11 plot (because we wouldn't cooperate and give them evidence we collected from our detainees, probably because we tortured them). In fact, you know the country where all of the 9/11 bombers lived right before they committed their heinous act of terror? The United States.
The man has to think before he talks. His own camp had to back away from his last statement about ending immigration from all these countries. But the bigger problem seems to be that he has thought some of these things through and these crazy statements are his true opinions. Now, that's really scary.
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Huckabee Advocates Changing the Constitution to Live By "God's Standards"
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121. #104, 105, 106 - Jefferson - Where do we start? "We" are dumping on those who would hold their faith as being absolute and the one and only model for the rest of us. It's some Christians against people of all other faiths, no faith, and those who believe in "render unto Caesar...". Why would you think that a person who appears to personify one set of decisive values be the person to unify us.
Our state constitutions may mention a Creator. That does not necessarily mean the Christian vision of a creator and the mention does not mean that we need to follow the teachings of any particular religion. My take is that when allow relion or the lack of religion to form government policy is when the nation falls. The balance and freedoms are essential. It sounds like Huckabee is trying to remove the balance.
As for the roles of women and men, honor and submit are two different things.
alan at 12:43PM on Jan 21st 2008
122. Jefferson,
My goodness you’re a chauvinist and probably a racist and intolerant to anything not Christian.
The bible as infallible truth HAS been debunked, as has the stories attributed to Yahweh they have been found to be plagiarized from more ancient documents that praise other gods.
Why do you guys dump on ANY person with religious conviction?-Jefferson
I could careless what you practice at church or in your home. Millions of Americans are not Christian therefore it would be unconstitutional and unfair to implement a constitution based on Christian beliefs. God is different to all of us. Why should Huckabee’s faith rule America?
As quoted from his own website:
“ My faith is my life - it defines me. I don't separate my faith from my personal and professional lives.”
Also I wonder what bible you’ve been reading from. Your summarization of women’s role in the bible is laughable. Women are only treated with respect ONLY if they remain submissive to their husbands. They are not to speak unless spoken too. They are blamed for the fall of man.
If it wasn’t for the bible, MILLIONS of progressive women throughout history wouldn’t have been burned at the cross accused of witchcraft and blasphemy laws would not have existed.
Not to mention building America on the back of slaves and killing of the original inhabitants of America for their lack of Christian beliefs.
Huckabee cannot bring unity to a divided country with his Christian beliefs, only a man who promotes tolerance and acceptance of all the different views of god can.
goddess1prevail at 2:53PM on Jan 21st 2008
123. 106. For RACHEL: and i just read the article about him signing the document saying that women should submit to their husbands and that the man's decision has precedence over the woman's. disgusting chauvinist swine.
My goodness, you are so typical.
Mike Huckabee was refering to the passage in the Bible that says that a "woman shall submit to her husband" (not to ALL men). If you actually own a Bible, go read what it says directly after that. Of course, like most liberals, you probably don't own a Bible, and if you do, the dust grows thick on it. I'll summize it, since you won't go check.
The passage in the Bible actually promotes equality within a marriage. When both husband and wife are faithful servants of God, they are equal and MUST respect and HONOR each other, not just the woman to the man.
You feminazis just don't get that, do you?
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did you read the article you fucking retard?
no, you didn't, OBVIOUSLY! you don't even know that my name isn't rachel, how should i trust you to know how to read, you idiot.
the article talked about the document that people signed and stated that women should submit to their husbands.
i'm not a feminazi for your information. pull your head out of your ass.
Richelle at 6:04PM on Jan 21st 2008
124. jefferson,
because you are clearly too incompetent to read the article for yourself, i've cut and pasted the main points:
-----[huckabee] was asked about his public endorsement of a controversial 1998 statement on family and marriage by the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), the organizing body of Southern Baptists...
The statement, which ran along with signatures from Huckabee, his wife and more than 100 other prominent figures, said that while "husband and wife are of equal worth before God," the wife "is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband[.]"
Richard Land, president of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, helped draft the statement. According to Land, the statement says that while the husband and wife are equal before God, "the wife does not get veto power over the husband's decision."
"Somebody has to be in charge," Land explained. "The Bible says the husband is in charge." While the husband should "solicit his wife's views," ultimately "he is going to make the decision."
The reason, Land said, is that Southern Baptists believe that "God holds the husband accountable for the household."-----
so dipshit retard, while all may not agree that this is a correct interpretation of the bible, by signing the document one would agree with it's position. which was explicity explained by one of the men who helped draft the stupid thing! if huckabee did not agree with this he should have refused to sign it. so save your bullshit about me being a liberal (i am a moderate, you ignorant asshole) and a feminazi (where did you pick up that juvenile term?). have a nice day and go fuck yourself. :)
Richelle at 6:26PM on Jan 21st 2008
125. jefferson,
because you are clearly too incompetent to read the article for yourself, i've cut and pasted the main points:
-----[huckabee] was asked about his public endorsement of a controversial 1998 statement on family and marriage by the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), the organizing body of Southern Baptists...
The statement, which ran along with signatures from Huckabee, his wife and more than 100 other prominent figures, said that while "husband and wife are of equal worth before God," the wife "is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband[.]"
Richard Land, president of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, helped draft the statement. According to Land, the statement says that while the husband and wife are equal before God, "the wife does not get veto power over the husband's decision."
"Somebody has to be in charge," Land explained. "The Bible says the husband is in charge." While the husband should "solicit his wife's views," ultimately "he is going to make the decision."
The reason, Land said, is that Southern Baptists believe that "God holds the husband accountable for the household."-----
so dipshit retard, while all may not agree that this is a correct interpretation of the bible, by signing the document one would agree with it's position. which was explicity explained by one of the men who helped draft the stupid thing! if huckabee did not agree with this he should have refused to sign it. so save your bullshit about me being a liberal (i am a moderate, you ignorant asshole) and a feminazi (where did you pick up that juvenile term?). have a nice day and go fuck yourself. :)
Richelle at 6:27PM on Jan 21st 2008
126. richelle, why waste thought on a dittohead. Feminazi is homer simpbaugh material. Of COURSE he's a tardo. Probably a cheese eating surrender monkey too.
Clif Kuplen at 6:55PM on Jan 21st 2008
127. lol, good point clif.
and i like the cheese eating surrender monkey comment too. been so long since i've heard that. thanks for the refresher!
Richelle at 7:09PM on Jan 21st 2008
128. HUCKABEE BELIEVES THAT SUBMISSION GOES BOTH WAYS NOT ONE WAY. THE HUSBAND GIVES 100% OF HIMSELF TO SUPPORT HIS WIFE and THE WIFE GIVES 100% TO SUPPORT HER HUSBAND.
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...so you're saying he swings both ways? When you say submission, that means both get to be on top? Anybody wear any of those black leather thingies?
Clif Kuplen at 12:48AM on Jan 22nd 2008
129. With all this talk and bantering back in forth most people will never approach the obvious. That all humanity at the heart is evil, desperately wicked, and totally depraved. Yes, the atheist and secular humanist along with those who live like them with all the shallow arrogance and high-minded blatherskite that our humanity can muster are too proud to admit it. We hypocritically believed in relativism saying that there is no such thing as good and evil, but are seemly aware of it when something wrong is committed against them.
To a thief steal is not evil, to an adulterer adultery is not evil, to a fornicator sex outside of marriage is not evil, to a murderer killing the innocent or someone hated is not evil. But the victims, (you know) the other people affected, suffer and those who love them. To the criminal it is only evil that they get caught. That's why many of them accuse THE ONE and ONLY HOLY GOD as evil because they are criminals at the heart and rebels who have broken God's laws. Therefore in rebellious defiance they seek to sear their "God-given" conscience by being obnoxious about their rebellion against the One and Only God who holds them accountable for their actions. They sing and dance about their defiance against God, and they look at things in defiance against God. Even a persons care-less attitude is a vain attempt reduce absolute truth into the subject of scorn and ridicule so they become numb to the sting of the evil they see and mutually commit against each other.
When people say in a nasty nose-squinting attitude, "How dare you try to legislate morality." They are being completely dishonest because JUST ABOUT EVERY LAW IS BASED ON MORALITY (a standard of good, evil, and fairness). Even at this Mankind again indirectly confirms the Bible is true when it says that the wicked shall be turned into hell and all the nations that forget God. (Psalms 9:17)
Want proof? You can see it every single day just turn on the TV news or get a newspaper. The evidence that humanity is totally depraved and cannot save ourselves from our own evil is staring at all of us. The definition of wicked even means: to live like there is no God. Wisdom is known by her children. Our wickedness has created a hell on this earth and has even affected the environment. WE ALL HAVE NO EXCUSE NOW and WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE WHEN WE STAND BEFORE THE LORD GOD FACE TO FACE.
It is time to get real and get right standing before the One and God who loves us too much to leave us the way we are.
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AN ATHEIST NO MORE at 8:23AM on Jan 22nd 2008
130. to a fornicator sex outside of marriage is not evil,
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LMAO!!!! i fornicate very often with my BAPTIST botfriend. guess that just goes to show that apparently some christians don't find sex outside of marriage evil either...
Richelle at 9:45AM on Jan 22nd 2008
131. HUCKABEE BELIEVES THAT SUBMISSION GOES BOTH WAYS NOT ONE WAY. THE HUSBAND GIVES 100% OF HIMSELF TO SUPPORT HIS WIFE and THE WIFE GIVES 100% TO SUPPORT HER HUSBAND.
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not according to the document he signed.
are you saying that huckabee doesn't even make sure to clarify the purpose of a document before he signs it?
just think of the shit he would be signing off on if he were to actually get into the white house without actually understanding it!
if he now disagrees with the document he signed he needs to grow some balls, fess up, and say "i was wrong to sign that document, i no longer take that position on marriage."
Richelle at 9:51AM on Jan 22nd 2008
132. Yeah,richelle,but that don't mean it right.
aniekan thomas at 9:54AM on Jan 22nd 2008
133. I mean in answer to post 117,richelle.AND your fornicating dont make you an evil person.Just someone in need of God's love.
aniekan thomas at 9:58AM on Jan 22nd 2008
134. no, i do not. and if my boyfriend believes in the christian god and has god's love WHY IS HE fornicating? what is your reasoning for him?
or is what is good for the goose (me) not good for the gander (those with "god's love")
and shouldn't god love me no matter what according to chrisitanity anyway? so if i have his love, why would i still be doing "sinful" things?
how about this... NEITHER of us are doing anything wrong. we love each other.
you have quite an arrogant absolutist view on morality.
let me ask you this. why would god think it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage?
let's discuss religious ethics and not religious faith...
Richelle at 11:15AM on Jan 22nd 2008
135. Why? Because the bible says it is wrong.The bible condemms fornication.
And may i add it is because the laws of God are tough to keep,and because your boyfriend has chosen to disobey God's word that is why he is doing it.
Heck richelle,I am not perfect.Have never had sex,but i struggle with issue.For me(and note that i do not condemm you as an intrisically bad person)it is just an issue of seeing a girl as God sees her.Not as some sex toy.That is why i think sex is for marriage.Because you have to see the woman as a fellow human being,and not as something warm to hold to.
Thanks,and God bless.
aniekan thomas at 3:38PM on Jan 22nd 2008