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Did Canada Cave under US/Israel Pressure?
More following up of the Canadian Torture List controversy that's stirred things up around here a little. Since the US, Guantanamo and Israel are being removed from the list, Iran now calls our list biased, got that link via an editorial from Seattle.
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Reader Comments ( Page 1 of 2)
1. self interest is the coin governments mint to sell their personas. our big bully presence should be subject to damage control.the world now knows that the US does not eschew torture.i believe iraq was a message sent to other superpowers,Russia and China,that America's middle east monopoly will never be broken. welcome to the neighborhood, i mean, OUR neighborhood. continue to torture, who's going to protest after they are killed (referred to as suicide). besides, we stick by our guns that our constitution does not apply to terrorists, enemies of the state. I suppose in many ways, taking our name off the Canadian List actually serves a purpose: America lies. The world knows it.
boredwell at 10:49PM on Jan 22nd 2008
2. Oh death, now the Iranians(God's own enlightened ones) think your biased. What's a liberal to do? Quick, tell them they are wonderful and offer to do whatever makes them happy. Just remember, there are no homosexuals in Iran.
IRONBLUEEYES at 11:14PM on Jan 22nd 2008
3. Ironblueeyes would know, all the bath houses were closed, LOL!
Dennis at 11:22PM on Jan 22nd 2008
4. If the United States is doing nothing wrong, why are they acting as if they have something to hide?
Those flag-wavers should be damned proud to be on that list - if their conduct is honorable.
Shakespear said it. "None proclaim their innocense so loud as the guilty." (or something like that)
Captain Negative at 11:52PM on Jan 22nd 2008
5. You've got to know things are bad when even Saudi Arabia is accusing you of human rights violations.
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Saudi Arabia's state-sponsored Saudi Human Rights group blamed the U.S. for the deaths. "There are no independent monitors at the detention camp so it is easy to pin the crime on the prisoners...it's possible they were tortured," said Mufleh al Qahtani, the group's deputy director, in a statement to the local Al-Riyadh newspaper.[34]
Captain Negative at 12:03AM on Jan 23rd 2008
6. Jeff,
The president of Iran said the holocaust never happened. Don't put too much stock in his condemnation.
mac at 12:11AM on Jan 23rd 2008
7. o canada! put us, git-mo and israel back on the list...we all know they belong!
undrgrndgirl at 12:19AM on Jan 23rd 2008
8. Jeff-
Canadian Government did not cave in to pressure from US Government because this so-called Torture Watch List was a Training Document/Manual made by the Canadian Foreign Ministry that is used in workshops to teach Canadian diplomats how to tell if a Canadian held in foreign jail has been tortured. (CTV Report)
On Jan 18, the Canadian Govt. Foreign Ministry spokesman Niel Hrab stated this document is a training manual and is not a policy document and does not reflect the views or policies of the Canadian Govt. The Foreign Ministry removed USA and Israel when they realized it was improper to make such a statement in a training manula such as it was.
THERE ARE NO INSTANCES OF TORTURED MENTIONED IN THE MANUAL AGAINST ANY OF THE COUNTRIES MENTIONED:USA, ISRAEL, IRAN ET AL.
The document cites Guantanamo Bay USA Prison Camp where prisoners COULD be tortured, but never says any prisoners have been tortured at Guantanamo.
The manual points at things employees of the Canadian Foreign Ministry should look for to see if Canadian Citizens who have been imprisoned, might have been tortured.
It also classifies some US interrogration techniques, including forced nudity, isolation and sleep deprivation, as torture.
Jeff, as I told you last posting, the Canadian Foreign Ministry is in the process of reviewing the use of naming countries on that Training Manual and will omit all countries in the Manual. The Foreign Ministry does not point out any specific instances of torture against the Countries it mentioned in the Manual, so therefore it is improper to put any country in this manual. The manual should be specifically geared to show Canadian Diplomats what to look for to see if a Canadian Citizen has been tortured in any foreign country.
Source ABC News
All countries named in that Training Manual should be removed.
ROBERT OKANE at 12:57AM on Jan 23rd 2008
9. We are in the process of restoring the Constitution of the United States of America via our electoral process. Please check back after 01/20/2009. Then let's talk! The coup is coming to an end!
Todd at 1:29AM on Jan 23rd 2008
10. Here's a little (hopefully friendly) jab at Canada by "Weird Al" Yankovic. 2:33
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1_6uz_sVU
BILL G at 1:52AM on Jan 23rd 2008
11. ACTUALLY, TRY THIS ONE INSTEAD ! OOPS.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M
BILL G at 2:15AM on Jan 23rd 2008
12. Is it really so hard to belive that a "terrorist"(I personally prefer Islamic Extremist) would kill them self, rather than release the information they have?
Mikey Mikerson at 2:38AM on Jan 23rd 2008
13. Cool video, Bill G. There's another Canadia export. Arctic air masses.
Captain Negative at 2:54PM on Jan 23rd 2008
14. INSANE OKANE indulges in SUPREME hypocrisy .
OKANE, aren't YOU the one who is always WHINING about Canadian, Jeff Hoard, "sticking (his) nose" in OUR business?
Who the fuck are you to turn around and tell Candada what they *should* do?
Go back to your bunker, OKANE.
Captain Negative at 2:58PM on Jan 23rd 2008
15. MAJOR BULLSHIT AKA CAPTAIN NEGATIVE SFB
I am expressing my right to free speech.
Major Bullshit-you saying I do not have a right to free speech in my own country?
Major Bullshit Jeff Hoard presented 3 stories about USA listed in a Trainig Manual and I voiced my opinion on what Jeff and Canada said about the USA
But your comments are normal, since I remember you calling a woman a "PUNK ASS BITCH" for not agreeing with you.
It looks your the staff at your facility forget to give you your meds again.
ROBERT OKANE at 12:30AM on Jan 24th 2008