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One more thing: How moral can you be if morality is forced upon you by the law? Doesn't morality require free choice? If the government has to force you to be moral, then you have no morals at all.
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1. It is ironic and confusing why muslims celebrate SAINT Valentine's day. Romance is not endorsed by Saudi islamic beliefs so what's up with the red roses anyway?The only roses that could be given to a woman is it was received from a male relative. Maybe Valentine's Day is something other than our western version.
Your criticism of Saudis congregating on the borders of Syria to drink and whore is a fraction of the population. You made it seem as if half the males in the nation were Range Roving to that Den of Iniquity that is muslim Syria. Yes, SOME Saudis do cross the border for those reasons. They may be significant in number but less significant when the compared to the country's population. You know what is said by the sour apple so- there are always a few in the bunch,eh! Therefore be careful when ex- trapolating your ideas and political points of view. You wouldn't give a bad rap to christians based on the behaviour of the moral majority would you? That would be egregiously unfair. So leave the fundamentalists in their sharia utopia and begin to branch out. There are many different sects of muslims that do not agree with the radicals in their faith. Once again, the radicals are the most vociferous drowning the other: we ignore them in favor of the soundbites.
You know that Ataturk's Young Turks were also fundamentalists radically and legally forcing an overwhemingly muslim society and culture to embrace a secular life of western ideas and ideals that were completely alien to them. I know you have a schtick to live up to and soundbites to seduce views and readers. Giving a more balanced view would make you more endearing rather than searing.
boredwell at 12:29AM on Feb 13th 2008
2. CENK
MSNBC's David Schuster says Clinton's are Pimping Out their daughter, Chelsea. Hillary gets outraged, Schuster is suspended after numerous apologies.
Where is the story???????
If it was a Fox newscaster, you would have run 3 stories by now.
Is this Cenks idea of "Fair and Balanced"
So give us your view? Show us the MSNBC Screw up. Do you "think" Schuster should have been suspended or fired as Hillary is demanding
robert okane at 6:47AM on Feb 13th 2008
3. Ana, will you be my Valentine? I think you are smart, sexy, and- thanks so much for a teeny glimpse of cleavage, it was more stimulating than a Sports Illustrated cover. Happy Valentine's Day!
robert at 12:02PM on Feb 13th 2008
4. Is this Cenks idea of "Fair and Balanced"
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this is a political opinion blog. If you want people who agree with you, you've already got foxfart. go roll in that if you can't stand it here.
Clif Kuplen at 3:05PM on Feb 13th 2008
5.
"Is this Cenks idea of "Fair and Balanced"
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Your single-minded determination to remain ignorant *and* obnoxious borders on the bizarre.
Unlike Fux Noise, there is no pretense of being a legitimate news outlet on *any* of these AOL "News Bloggers" sites. No pretense at all.
Consider your daily newspaper. It probably contains multiple op-ed pieces. If you don't like (say)William F. Buckley, you don't read his column. If I don't like Jonah Goldberg (Mr. Liberal Fascism) I don't read his column. But I don't expect them to write what doesn't interest them. I don't expect them to be, "fair and balanced." You shouldn't expect it either.
But just what is, "fair and balanced?" Is it, "any time a republican screws up, you have to point out some democrat screw-up!?" That isn't possible to match republicans fuck up for fuck up.
Republicans caught with their pants down, for example. Does every story about republican perverts have to be balanced by a story about democrat pervetrts? If that were the case we would never learn about the Larry Craigs and the Haggards and the endless list of republican perverts.
As has been pointed out before, you can hang out on D'Souza's site if you only want a right-wing slant. There are places all over the Internet where you can get nothing but fascist philosophy and spins
and outright lies.
And, as Clif pointed out, you've got a whole cable television station devoted to furthering the cause of American Fascism, Fux Noise.
Let me recommend, "Free Republic." You'd fit right in there, OKANE. Like you, they want to silence anyone who doesn't march in locked goose-step
with American fascism. They would welcome you with open arms.
Captain Negative at 5:50PM on Feb 13th 2008
6. I read what I want and post what I want. Liberal Fascists are becoming more like the Nazi Fascists and try to silent opposing opinion. I suggest some should read some Private Eye paperbacks and stick to peeking in bedroom windows hoping to get a photo of a cheating mate that can be used in a divorce case. Stick to what your trained for and good at.
ROBERT OKANE at 6:21AM on Feb 15th 2008
7. #6 - ROBERT OKANE - Perhaps liberal fascists are becoing more like neoconservatives, trying to silence opposition. I miss the real conservatives and wish they would come back.
alan at 5:26PM on Feb 15th 2008
8. Okane.
Nobody is trying to silence you, asshole.
Captain Negative at 5:32PM on Feb 15th 2008
9. Captain - If anybody is trying to stifle the free expression of ideas, it is you and your idealogical bretheren who can't stand the idea that Fox - a station that at least makes some sort of an attempt at presenting both sides in open debate - is killing CNN and MSNBC. If you don't like Fox, watch CNN. But stop whining. Or move to France.
Dave at 11:41AM on Feb 16th 2008
10. Kiss my ass, Dave.
Captain Negative at 3:07PM on Feb 16th 2008
11. Dave, this has nothing to do with ideology and eveything to do with OKANE.
You probably have no way of knowing it, but an entire topic was taken down from Jeff Hoard's blog last night/ early this morning, because of thinly veiled, death threats.
I'm not saying that Oknane specifically threatened Jeff. He made references to death threats related to Jeff, a Canadian, having the audacity to comment on our country. They were totally weasely words, but it was a threat none-the-less.
Okane should have his posting privileges revoked. Not because of his politics. Because of his behavior. Talk of murder for posting videos that Okane doesn't like, is totally inappropriate behvior.
Captain Negative at 3:22PM on Feb 16th 2008
12. Captain Negative
You are a proven liar and are at it again. Get your posts to read the same when talking about what you said I said about and to Jeff.
Your other post said I threatened Jeff.
Your other post made no mention of death threats.
I have a copy of my posting, now you you put in writing all the bullshit you say I said.
You will not post it word for word for it will expose just more and more of your lies.
robert okane at 4:49PM on Feb 16th 2008
13. Okane, you are a sick little troll.
That topic was taken down and a post was removed. That removed post was a reference to you and was directed to you.
Again, I did not say that you posted a death threat. I said you referenced veiled death threats.
You certainly appear to be justifying those people who may have threatened him.
End of story, Okane.
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"And Jeff, I think you had recently stated that things were being said on your blog site that had you in fear for your life. After reading that commentary, I could see where some people may get very upset with a Canadian expressing his views of USA and Americans through videos with that kind of hate commentary. Are you pushing hate?
ROBERT OKANE at 6:49AM on Feb 16th 2008
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Captain Negative at 5:23PM on Feb 16th 2008
14. c
Made reference to "DEATH THREATS"? Where are they liar???????
Talk of "MURDER"? Where did I talk of murder????
Where are you dreaming up these lies???
They are not in my posting? Murder-death threats-from where?
Remove your head from where the sun don't shine.
You and a few or your fellow posters keep telling others like Tom, Dave and myself to go away, go to another blog, wrong, not going anywhere, I have as much right to be here as your foul mouth Liberal Fascist associates.
robert okane at 2:49AM on Feb 17th 2008
15. Once again, Okane. I didn't say you threatened anyone. I said you encouraged threats. I said that the thread had to be taken down and content had to be removed.
The content which was removed referred directly to your post. It mentioned you by name.
Frankly, I doubt that anyone wants to be associated with your encouragement of threats toward our hosts.
There is no better source for this than your own words, pasted in below.
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"And Jeff, I think you had recently stated that things were being said on your blog site that had you in fear for your life. After reading that commentary, I could see where some people may get very upset with a Canadian expressing his views of USA and Americans through videos with that kind of hate commentary. Are you pushing hate?
ROBERT OKANE at 6:49AM on Feb 16th 2008
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Captain Negative at 3:35AM on Feb 17th 2008