A few days ago I debated Michael Shermer at the National Religious Broadcasters convention in Nashville. Shermer was his usual affable self and the mostly-Christian audience both liked him and treated him respectfully. I didn't feel bad about putting Shermer before a largely religious audience. The last time we debated I was in hostile territory at Cal Tech. The Cal Tech debate was sponsored by Shermer's Skeptics Society and most in the audience were on his side. The debate was moderated by Christian radio host Janet Parshall. She conducted it in a format similar to the presidential debates, in which the moderator poses questions to each side.
On July 12, a few months from now, I have a rematch with atheist Christopher Hitchens. This is in Las Vegas at the large libertarian annual conference called Freedom Fest. This is one of the liveliest political conferences in the country, and I invite readers of this blog, whatever your religious or political persuasion, to attend. Each year the libertarians have invited me to debate, and each year they tell me, "Well, next year we're going to find someone who can take you on." The first year I went I debated libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne. The next year, former Congressman Bob Barr. Last year, presidential contender Ron Paul. This time organizer Mark Skousen has decided to focus the main debate on the God v. atheism issue. So Hitchens and I will enter the arena. You can find out more information and sign up here.
April 25 I'll be debating the notorious Peter Singer at Biola University near Los Angeles. This is another event worth attending, although I also intend to post the debate on the web. When Singer was hired by Princeton University some years ago it caused a big stir. Singer is a champion not only of infanticide and euthanasia but also of animal rights! This may seem to be anomalous, even absurd, but Singer is an avid Darwinist who sees himself as following the logic of Darwinism to its unavoidable conclusion.
Man, Singer argues, is on a continuum with the animals. Unfortunately through the influence of Christianity man has raised himself onto a pedestal, invested himself with all kinds of bogus rights, such as the "right to life," and consigned beasts to a life of subordination to human interests. Singer argues that once we get rid of God we must accept our Darwinian position, and this means giving up the values that Christianity brought into the world. Ultimately human beings must be pulled down a notch, and animals raised up a notch, to restore the biological order of things. I've been reading Singer's books which are always thoughtful and eloquent; he is far superior to some of the new atheists who have gotten far more attention in the last couple of years. I look forward to taking him on next month.
Also in April: I'll be debating philosopher Walter Sinnott-Armstrong April 21 at Dartmouth, where he teaches and where I attended. Our topic is whether it is possible to be good without God. On April 22 at Harvard I'll share the podium with Dan Barker. Barker is a former evangelical minister who is now an outspoken atheist. He is currently head of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a kind of atheist ACLU. We keep hearing from atheists that they are not a movement and that "atheism is not a belief system" but merely the denial of a belief in God. So isn't it interesting that we now have atheist books, atheist magazines, atheist conferences, atheist organizations, atheist Sunday schools, an atheist radio show, and so on? Quite clearly atheism has become an ideology and our atheist friends cannot escape criticism by inanely proclaiming that their position doesn't constitute a position. Perhaps one of these days these characters will stop living in denial and prove worthy of the rational realism that they claim to uphold.
Some atheists have emailed me asking me if I've accepted Sam Harris' offer to a written debate. A few months ago Harris proposed such a debate, and I agreed, but also proposed to Sam that we have an oral debate in the classic format. Written debates strike me as a bit wimpy, since both debaters can get advice and assistance from various experts. The advantage of a face-to-face encounter is that it compels each side to think on its feet and make its best case before a live audience. Having himself proposed the written debate, Harris hasn't responded to my counteroffer.
Given that Richard Dawkins has already wimped out, proving himself an intellectual invertebrate, I'm beginning to wonder whether some of the world's best-known atheists are losing the courage of their convictions. One of my former professors now calls me Joe Louis, in reference to the boxer who knocked out so many "bums of the month" that he eventually had trouble finding worthy opponents. Although modern atheism is very belligerent in its writings--angry missives issued from the security of academic offices--it seems that some of our leading advocates of unbelief are positively timorous when it comes to standing up and debating their core convictions.



Reader Comments ( Page 5 of 61)
61. "Well, were did the matter come from that caused the bang?" --observant
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Um...Obby, baby...do some reading. Physicists have already dealt with that question. The answer would truly astound you (if you can comprehend it.)
Paul at 10:53AM on Mar 17th 2008
62. Observant; nice myth.
Ryan Anderson at 10:55AM on Mar 17th 2008
63. Argh! I hate when people with no clue about what their talking about mislead other people!
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal
Jacob at 10:45AM on Mar 17th 2008
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Now you know how I feel.
Observant at 10:56AM on Mar 17th 2008
64. 60. That question my freind you can ask God when you stand before him on judgement day.
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Don't Christians (or other theists) have anything better. This illustrates a point made several times earlier on this blog. Theists bring NO evidence. Then can rant all they want about how atheists and liberals are crazy (brian little b) or how they don't have their facts straight (Observant). However, neither approach can get around the fact that unless you have evidence, you don't have a case.
If your entire conception of god is based on faith, but many people don't have that faith, then can god exist at all?
Jacob at 11:01AM on Mar 17th 2008
65. Botts: "I think Evolution and the Bible are completely compatible. Evolution is the details."
But if you believe evolution to be true, surely you must admit that large portions of the Bible are allegorical or legendary. The question is, when reading the Bible, how do you sort the legend from the truth?
AndrewV at 11:02AM on Mar 17th 2008
66. You see, Observant, whenever you ask questions like this, "Well, were did the matter come from that caused the bang", it lets everyone who reads about these topics know just how far behind the power curve.
I suggest that you read all you can about the beginning of time and what happened before the big bang. That way, you won't sound so woefully unread.
Paul at 11:04AM on Mar 17th 2008
67. ...behind the power curve you really are.
[don't know how that final phrase got cut off]
Paul at 11:05AM on Mar 17th 2008
68. Afraid? Hmmm, I don't think fear is the word. Amused, perhaps.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on your back, DD. That might affect your typing, er, um, skills.
web jones at 11:08AM on Mar 17th 2008
69. Obs: "That question my freind you can ask God when you stand before him on judgement day."
Oh yea, delay the issue. When I die, and I rot in the ground, I won't be able to tell you I told you so. There is more on earth than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Observant.
AndrewV at 11:07AM on Mar 17th 2008
70. But on a metaphysical level, Observant, if the mere existence of something suggests a creator the the mere existence of god suggests a creator of god. So, what created god if god really exists?
Paul at 11:08AM on Mar 17th 2008
71. Hey! Why are parts of my posts disappearing?
THEN the mere existence of god suggests a creator of god.
Paul at 11:09AM on Mar 17th 2008
72. Aethiests are just mad because they take an idefensible position. how can people who dont believe in anything fight.
todd at 11:14AM on Mar 17th 2008
73. Paul: "I suggest that you read all you can about the beginning of time and what happened before the big bang. That way, you won't sound so woefully unread.'
Paul, education is always worthwhile, but one doesn't need to be a particle physicist to realize there is no God. The fact that God's existence is astronomically unlikely can be demonstrated with elementary high school logic.
AndrewV at 11:12AM on Mar 17th 2008
74. Paul: "I suggest that you read all you can about the beginning of time and what happened before the big bang. That way, you won't sound so woefully unread.'
Paul, education is always worthwhile, but one doesn't need to be a particle physicist to realize there is no God. The fact that God's existence is astronomically unlikely can be demonstrated with elementary high school logic.
AndrewV at 11:12AM on Mar 17th 2008
75. talk of thin,
it is so ironic, and i think idiotic,that the tree huggers of the world, the save the whales of the world, the spotted owl-gores of the world. are so concerned about and vehemant about the inviroment and yet they are staunchly and largely pro-abortion. they put animals above humans!!! as romans ch. 1. rightly states. in their darkness they worship the CREATURE rather than the CREATOR.
like it or not the bible defines us as humans though a group rails and gnashes teeth at its truth. you still can never change the truth.
brian at 11:15AM on Mar 17th 2008