Anyone who's done the math agrees that Hillary Clinton can't possibly catch Barack Obama in elected delegates. Even her own staff admits this. And she has a minuscule chance of catching him in popular vote (she can then use that as an argument for why the superdelegates should vote for her). So, why stay around in the race wounding the person who is incredibly likely to be the eventual Democratic nominee?
Here's why:
Like I said in the video, I'm not sure even she's that cynical, but it certainly explains a possible motive behind what appears to be a fruitless race for her at this point.
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Is Hillary Angling for 2012?
Posted Mar 25th 2008 9:09PM by Cenk Uygur
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Reader Comments ( Page 1 of 3)
1. Hillary will get the nod from the SUPER DELEGATES in 2008 at the Democrat Convention. My statement proves it!!!!!!!
["I ceased to advertise my mother's race when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to BLACKS."
"It was my father's image, the WHITE MAN, Conqueror of Africa, that I'd package all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Hitler, Attila, Mussolini and Caesar."
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active WHITE students, the EUROPEAN BLUE BLOOD students. The Vanderbilt's, Carnegie's and Astor's. The ANGLO-SAXON Professors, PATRIOTIC Feminists and SOUTHERN Poets."
"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a PHYLE, and when it came to hanging out, many of us chose to function like a CLAN, staying close together, traveling in packs."
"(I)t remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the PURE masses, to strike out and name names."
I wrote frankly about how to blame "BLACK people – the criminals, the ignorant, the faceless image of a Wealth Transfer System claiming power over our FINANCES."]
Paul Sparcello at 10:30PM on Mar 25th 2008
2. If Hillary does not get the nomination I hope McCain wins so Hillary can be back in 2012. Obama will be toast!
Danyal at 11:10PM on Mar 25th 2008
3. Hey Big Guy,
I listened to your video, and you make a pretty good argument. But, I don't see Hillary throwing in the towel. She still has a broad support base and financial backing.
Obama has been putting up a good fight boss, but he's bleeding. And there is still a lot of rounds left to go.
Willet at 11:33PM on Mar 25th 2008
4. We are at least, two generations away from a woman or black President.
I am surprised, that America can not offer any better candidates, than what we have in the race for the white house.
Hang on to your wallets, at this point it does not mater who is elected, this country is in great trouble.
Bush and the Clintons have sold America out with NAFTA and the North American Union.
A country without jobs to support it self is a bankrupt country.
A good reason for them to make new money, wouldn't you say? Thats the plan.
Observant at 12:02AM on Mar 26th 2008
5. Observant
If you have concern over the sell out of USA with NAFTA, electing Onama is maybe not the solution.
Michele Obama works for and is a member to the Council on Foreign Releations-CFR-which is made up of Rich, Powerful, and Political figures in the USA and one of is goals is creating a North American Union. That would be an open North America, without borders or trade restrictions between Canada, USA and Mexico.
If Hillary does not get nomination this time, she will be labeled a loser and not have a chance in 2012. Hillary had this nomination in the bag, or so she thought, then blew it along with any chances of a come back in 2012.
robert okane at 2:47AM on Mar 26th 2008
6. CENK
You would love to see Hillary drop out so your chosen one would get a free pass to the nomination. If there is anything that will turn a voters vote against Obama, the Clinton's or the Press will find it. If Hillary drops out, anything bad about Obama can be blamed as a Republican Lie.
The longer Hillary stays in the campaign, the more stupid stories we will be seeing from CENK against Hillary
robert okane at 2:55AM on Mar 26th 2008
7. I don't care for Cenk, or Obama, but I can't wait to hear Cenk's take on Hillary's "Excellent Adventures" in Bosnia, where her and Chelsea had to run for cover as bullets are zinging overhead....hahaha!!! Wait ! I'm getting a flashback of John Kerry in Cambodia during Christmas/New Year's LMAO!!
lizard at 3:19AM on Mar 26th 2008
8. obama/edwards 08...say it with me people...
truthhurts at 4:47AM on Mar 26th 2008
9. "i did not have sexual relations with THAT woman"-billary.
truthhurts at 4:52AM on Mar 26th 2008
10. 2. If Hillary does not get the nomination I hope McCain wins so Hillary can be back in 2012. Obama will be toast!
I only have one simply response for the individual who's post I copied on to mine. Do you even have a notion of what you have implied? Are you insane? Have you completely lost your mind?
You would rather see McCain win the presidency if Hillary does not win the nomination. You are actually saying that you prefer McCain a man ready to settle into Iraq for the next hundred years if necessary, a man ready to go after Iran as well whether necessary or not. On several occasions, this man has stated that he knows very little about the economy. This is who you “hope” will win if Hillary does not. I am going to assume you have no family members serving in Iraq at this time.
I will also assume you are prepared to endure four more years of the same failed policies and disasters’ Bush put this country thru, if Senator Clinton does not win. I can see you have put a lot of time in your thinking thru all the issues.
How will you reconcile this when things stay in hell and we continue to throw our nations future away with more and more needless deaths in Iraq, more debt to places like China. All this because as you so eloquently put it “Obama will be toast!”
If you are a Democrat, Independent or even a Republican who is sick and tired of the same status quo, we must take a strong stance against McCain and the Bush policies. Let us not ignore or forget everything we have lived thru the past eight years. Remember at the end of this long primary process Senator Clinton and Senator Obama will unite because at the end of the day they are on the same side of the political views as well as the social ones. They are in sink and they realize the implications of having McCain walk away the victor.
We must be smarter than we have demonstrated on these blogs and we must unite behind the Democratic Candidate that will finally win the nomination. Furthermore, we must insure that under no circumstances we will allow McCain to win in November.
Patty at 4:54AM on Mar 26th 2008
11. I did not have bullets flying over my head
kinda reminds me of
I did have sexual relations with that woman
both bill and hill are lying no good politicians
Hillery needs to face the fact ,she is not going to get a chance to go back to the W/H and steal the rest of the things she couldn't get out the first time, I believe this is her only reason for wanting to become president,we all know she would make a better crook than president
jparchery02 at 7:56AM on Mar 26th 2008
12. #10
"Furthermore, we must insure that under no circumstances we will allow McCain to win in November."
The only way for you to do this is to nominate someone who has the least amount of total negatives. I also think that the two are not totally in synch politically, philosophically, and ethically. I think one is prepared to wreck the party unless they get the nomination. Because for them, this is it. It is now or never. The other has plenty of time if need be.
"Furthermore, we must insure that under no circumstances we will allow McCain to win in November. "
There are some who may disagree with your views as to McCain automatically following Bush's policies.
Your statement is tinged with a slight amount of arrogance or maybe passion. Remember that there are others out there who who may disagree with you and DO NOT post on the internet. Those who post, on both sides, are in the minority of each side.
M2D5 at 8:02AM on Mar 26th 2008
13. You are not sure Hill is that cynical? If she is not Bill is. Most of her white house papers are not set to ber release until the day after election day in 2012. She is covering the contingencies. If McCain wins over Obama, he will likely be a one term guy. She's baaaack! She is going to be president, now or later, but it is simply inevitable.
Jim K198 at 10:18AM on Mar 26th 2008
14. Patty #10:
By your standards, borrowing from China to write "stimulus checks" to placate whiners is acceptable.
By your standards, Big Government spending more money on MediCare/MedicAid than will be taken in this year is acceptable.
By your standards, $4.00 gasoline caused by Democratic policy restricting domestic production and refining capacity is acceptable.
By your standards, voting for a Politician (Obama) that cuts deals for personal financial gain with Slumlords to the detriment of his constituency is acceptable.
By your standards, lying by both Democratic Presidential Candidates is acceptable.
By your standards, my "White Supremacy" statements of Post #1 are totally acceptable as a belief system for a Democratic Presidential Candidate because they are direct quotes from Barack Obama. I just substituted White for Black to create a bombastic racist rant.
Paul Sparcello at 11:23AM on Mar 26th 2008
15. Say it with me people..."President McCain"
Neither Obama nor Hillary can win the GE..(too liberal...too unlikable).more so now where each sides supporters vow to vote for McCain before they do their candidates Dem opponent (see Gallup)...Rove you magnificent bastard!
Who is Chuck Enger at 11:29AM on Mar 26th 2008