While on the debating circuit pounding atheists--a pastime I am really getting to enjoy--I have just started reading Dalia Mogahed and Esposito's Who Speaks for Islam: What a Billion Muslims Really Think. It's one of the first books to put some real data behind a much-disputed question. Go ahead and order the book here.
For several years now liberal and conservative pundits have been pontificating about the Muslim world, usually without a shred of data. I was amused last year to cross swords with some of my fellow conservatives like Scott Johnson and Victor Davis Hanson. These ideologues seem of the opinion that the average Muslim is a crazed polygamist who is ready to blow himself up. No surprise: this is supposedly what Muslims all learn in the school where they read nothing but the Koran! Only pundits who have no exposure to Muslim countries, Muslim history and Muslim people can go on like this.
For such gurus, Islam itself is the problem and nothing short of an Islamic Reformation headed by ex-Muslims like Hirsi Ali will show the Muslim world where it has gone wrong over the past five centuries. Forgotten in all this theorizing is the simple fact that Islam has been around for 1300 years and Islamic terrorism has been around for a few decades. The intelligent questions to ask are, what is it about Islam today that has made it an incubator of radicalism and terrorism? And second, what do most Muslims really think about the West?
Fortunately there is an increasing body of reliable data on Muslim beliefs. One source is the World Values Survey, which has the benefit of tracking opinions over a period of decades. Another is the Gallup surveys which are now under the aegis of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, a group headed by Mogahed. Esposito is one of the most respected American authorities on Islam. I am only getting into their book, but here I offer my own hypothesis, and then I'm going to find out if their data vindicate it.
The problem for Muslims is not Christianity or Judaism. In fact, Islam sees itself as incorporating both in much the same way that Christianity sees itself as incorporating Judaism. The problem for most Muslims is liberalism. But here we must distinguish betwen two kinds of liberalism. There is the classical liberalism of the American founding. Call this Liberalism 1. This liberalism is reflected in such principles as the right to vote, to assemble freely, to debate issues, to trade with others, religious toleration, and so on.
Then there is the modern liberalism of the 1960s. Call this Liberalism 2. This liberalism is defined by such tenets as the right to blaspheme, the right of teenage boys and girls to receive sex education and contraceptives, the right to abortion, prostitution as a worker's right, pornography as a protected form of expression, gay rights and gay marriage, and so on. It is this second type of liberalism that seems to drive the social agenda of today's Democratic Party. For example, Hillary Clinton chaired a presidential task force during the 1990s that promoted prostitution as an international right for workers.
Now we are in a better position to understand Islamic attitudes regarding the West. The vast majority of Muslims worldwide embrace Liberalism 1 while rejecting Liberalism 2. They are generally comfortable with classical liberalism while abhorring the tenets of modern liberalism. And by equating America with such things as blasphemy, pornography, prostitution and homosexualty, the radical Muslims appeal to ordinary Muslims to join their cause in a battle against the Great Satan. This is what I have argued in my recent work and I'm interested to see how my thesis stands up in light of Mogahed and Esposito's data.
Of course today's liberals will chafe at the idea that their values are producing a powerful "blowback" from the House of Islam. That's why we need good empirical work like this book. Let us find out what Muslims really think, and then let us look at the propaganda of the radical Muslims to see how they rally traditional Muslims to their side. Who cares if liberals don't like to admit what is going on? People are entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.
Reader Comments ( Page 59 of 60)
871. I need a break from christofascist doublethink for a while. My head hurts.
See you all later.
Godless Heathen Brian at 1:31PM on Apr 27th 2008
872. History it self has provided evidence of the blood of men and women that have gave their life for what you regard as a mere fairy tail.
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I'm assuming your point here is that people have been so sucked into the God fantasy that they've given their lives for it. I mean, what other point could you have? After all, there were martyrs in other religions before Christ ever came along... People are stupid TODAY. Imagine two thousand years ago! And you want to return to that stiupidity. Because you're too lazy to use your brain. You just like to feel safe. And your fear of death and hell is a gun to your head, forcing you to not even THINK that you just might be wrong. It's called "Conditioning."
Can't you see how pathetic that is?
If all people are imperfect and fallible, what makes you so special? You think you've got the line on ultimate truth, but all you have is a handful of sand running through your fingers.
You are wrong about it all. And we can see it as clear as the proverbial nose on your face. So, there's NO chance of a conversion here, my friend. The one that needs to convert, is you. To sanity.
Godless Heathen Brian at 1:43PM on Apr 27th 2008
873. God is real!
-How do yo know?
He tells us so.
-You hear him?
No, but he tells us so in the bible.
-He wrote the bible?
No, men did a long time ago, but they were informed and inspired by God Himself.
-How do you know?
God tells us so.
-In the bible?
Yes, the bible is the literal word of god, and is perfect.
-But it was written by men and not God! You said so yourself! How do you know that is's the literal word of God?
Because it says so right here.
-But, that's the book in question!
Yes, and it's perfect. It says that right here too.
-What if the men lied and made it up?
They didn't. It's the Word of God. If men made it up, it wouldn't be perfect.
-But, the only reason that you "know" it's perfect is because it tells you that it is!
Of course. It is perfect, and the Word of God, so of course it tells us that it is perfect. It wouldn't lie. Do you think God lies? What kind of person are you?
(at this point the questioner's head explodes)
Godless Heathen Brian at 1:51PM on Apr 27th 2008
874. Here's another thing about the christian psychosis. Since they divide all reality into the dualistic extremes of good and evil, they need an enemy to hate or they can't feel like they're "doing their part in the good fight." This is best captured I think by the popular phrase "Onward christian soldier." Thou shalt not kill, so how can any christian be a soldier? Well, it's all the hate, you see. They feel best united against a common enemy. Primitive tribal level bonding.
If they don't have oan enemy, they're forced to make one up.
Thus, their very happiness and feelings of self-respect are hinged to how well they can "hate" evil. What they see as evil, that is.
Hating anything is evil. Even hating evil, is evil. That's the catch they don't get.
Love is the answer. Who knew?
And I do love even you christians. But it's a tough love...
Godless Heathen Brian at 1:53PM on Apr 27th 2008
875. And before I leave for a while like I was planning to do a half-hour ago, I'll re-post this, since I wanted to get more comments on it.
Christians, a question:
Whay can't you love your enemies?
I mean, not TRUST your enemies, or even AGREE With them, but why can't you see them as FELLOW HUMANS, and as such, deserving of some level of respect and even love, just for that? I'm the atheist here, and I just naturally think that way. Jesus did too. No doubt about it at all. It was his great strength, in fact. It's in a book called "The Bible." Ever hear of it?
Loving your enemy is not letting them crap on you either. It's like, as Kennedy said, forgive your enemies, but remember their names. Be intelligent about it. Be cagey about it, even. Never be a sucker because of that love. Balance it with being ALERT and SMART about it. But definitely love them, at least at some abstract level, because but for the grace of being born a on a particular spot, they are the same as you are. You could have BEEN one of them, in most ways, if you'd been born to (or even adopted by) their parents. And one of them could have been you, practically, if they'd been born to or adopted by yours.
For instance, when you think of a Muslim Terrorist, all that you christians can think about them is sheer, non-verbal-level hatred of them and everything associated with them. For one thing, this makes you BLIND to learning anything of value about them. And knowing your enemy is universally considered to be one of the most important things, if not THE most important thing, in a war. Miyamoto Musashi said so. Go Rin No Sho. A wonderful book. Sun Tzu said so in The Art of War too. But to really know the Muslim (or the atheist) requires a desire to truly learn enough about them to empathize with their motives, even if we totally disagree with them or think they're horrible. In order to do that, we have to have the desire to first, the desire to LEARN about someone completely DIFFERENT from us.
Because the only way to ever really WIN the worldwide war on terror is not only to kill the terrorists, but to remove their MOTIVES for being one in the first place. Just pursue the killing part, and see how many terrorists we have in ten years. (A LOT MORE)
And I'll give you a hint. They don't "hate us for our freedom." It's a lot more complicated than that. And we're not BLAMELESS here, either. If you don't have the courage to face up to that, then you're not worth talking to.
We all need to learn MORE. The question is, WILL WE? And the best way to learn something is for it to be about something you already like. So if you HATE HATE HATE them, you're not going to ever want to learn about them, not beyond mere surface details. And also, if all you're doing is HATE, then you're not much better thaqn they are, are you? Jesus certainly wouldn't approve at all. Jesus was about LOVE. Or so the book says, when it makes sense at all.
I can tell you one thing I'm sure of. If a group of people do nothing but hate certain others for long enough, even if justified by, say, something really horrible they did, like 9/11, eventually they will become exactly as bad as whatever it is that they're hating so much. It's subtle and hard to detect, too. So gradual, you'll never feel it as you become EVIL over a long period of time. THAT'S why your god told you not to act like this. He apparently knew what I'm telling you here.
You guys, not so much. You need to work on the love thing. Oh, in the mean time, for the sake of honesty, can't you all change your name to something other than "christians?" I really take offense at it, since I happen to like Jesus' philosophy and words quite a bit. How about "Lostians?" (Since you've lost the way)
I love even you christian hypochrists. Yes, I sting you often. My love for you is not a pampering type of love. It's a tough love. This is how I see it. You have a good computer, but it's been infected by a virus that tells it to do and say bad things and think they're good things. I love your computer. I hate the virus infecting it.
I love you as people. And it's EXACTLY THAT LOVE that causes me to feel so sad and angry at what you've let yourselves become. I love you, but I hate your beliefs. And you won't change them, not ever. It's very sad. Like you've intentionally stopped up your ears with wax so as not to hear the siren call of intelligence and awareness, because someone convinced you that God wants it that way.
If you could ever open your mind, I'd love to embrace you as friends and never call you hypochrist again. Botts did it. Why can't you? Think about it. You could actually have friends with completely different views on things! You'd learn so much about others, and about the world! And you'd be in a much better position to "spread the good word" to others, as long as you never, ever tried to force it and taught by example that your faith is a good thing, instead of the mere words to that effect that you have now. You'd have to make a few changes to your good word to make it relevant to people today. Omit all the threats of punishment and damnation, and add in more love of others... Surely you're capable of it!
Basic respect is necessary, though. You'll all have to learn how to do that. Right now, you've learned to AUTOMATICALLY disrespect others with different views. That would have to change. But, your Jesus did it, so you'll just have to have faith that you can, too.
Godless Heathen Brian at 1:59PM on Apr 27th 2008
876. People are entitled to their own opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts.
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I think it's already been pointed out, but this really describes Dinesh better than it does the liberals.
And he didn't attribute it. It wasn't his in the first place. Not only doesn't he have his own facts, he doesn't have his own original quotes, either.
I bet he copied on his college tests.
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The late senator Daniel Moynihan famously said that people are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/09/06/BL2007090601372_pf.html
Godless Heathen Brian at 4:35PM on Apr 27th 2008
877. Are all the atheists at church?
(cricket... cricket...)
Talk about a dead blog. And I apparently killed it.
I've committed blogocide. Again. The penalty is, for a repeat offender, rather excessive, I think. I must be subjected to a new Dinesh post, when it comes out. I'll be posting to it somewhere after that nutcake that always agrees with Dinesh and posts that evolutionblogspot horseshit. In other words, somewhere after the second post.
I go now to wassail and wenching. I shall return, refreshed. Maybe by then there'll be a conversation worth having. By that I mean, not with myself.
Although, I could use this space to post my life's story.
"I was born to a middle class family, who promptly gave me up to another middle-class family. Yes, I was regifted. Then, when I was old enough to understand what the adults were saying (1 1/2) I became depressed because I was not yet old enough to form words. (real memory) Then, after I overcame my hatred for the little plastic babie overpants they used to put over the cloth diapers they had back then (another real memory) I went to college, got married, got divorced, and on the fourth try was successful. Yes, it was that hard to find someone that would put up with my shit. And here I sit. The end.
Hey, it's as complete a history as Jesus' is in that bible book you've got there.
Just sayin', is all...
Godless Heathen Brian at 7:26PM on Apr 27th 2008
878. And, as Jim Gaffigan just said last night when I was watching his special I'd recorded, "What if Jesus was a shitty carpenter?"
Good thing he has that Messiah thing going...
Oh, and for years I'd wondered about the quotation always printed at the beginning of Poe's Purloined Letter. Translated, it says "Nothing is so odious to knowledge, as too much shrewdness."
It's Eric/Renzo/caviling Ray/whoever! So shrewed and yet so insulting to knowledge. I get it now!
I've just grown as a person.
Godless Heathen Brian at 7:31PM on Apr 27th 2008
879. GHB,
I guess 4th times a charm huh? It's always good to find someone who will accept you for who you are. The problem with many marriages is someone always tries to change their partner. As if marriage gives you a title for reformation. People put up with more BS when they are simply partners. I think it is because it is easier to leave when you are dating so people act on their best behavior but once you are married leaving is harder, the separation of material things and all.
I actually did not want to get married, my husband and I dated for 5 years before we tied the knot, and then we were married for 6 years before we had a child. I was in no hurry.
goddess1prevail at 9:01PM on Apr 27th 2008
880. Thank you goddess1prevail, for supporting my post addressing man_in_the_wilderness' circular reasoning and reliance on an ancient book of fairy tales. I hope you don't take this as anything negative, but if you can, please instead of the male/female pronoun, "he (or she) said..." may I recommend you use the proxy name or "screen name." I think people like man_in_the_wilderness have their nose so far in the bible that they can't quickly ascertain which pronoun applies to who. Just a suggestion.
As for the continued biblical circular reasoning of the Dinesh-defenders, here is a post one of my favorite bloggers (obviously Chris Aable). It's received about 60,000 hits on MySpace:
Jesus and *many* similarities to others who came before him.
Category: Religion and Philosophy
Before I begin, let me start with the fact that I'm not telling anyone what to believe or not, that's up to each person to reflect on and decide for themselves, hopefully by asking a lot of questions instead of taking things at face value because their elders or community may have long-standing tradition in doing so.
I am not against any study of any religion. To the contrary, as a student of Psychology and Sociology, I've studied many religions passionately at both Los Angeles City College and CSULA, and can often quote the bible better than many of my "Christian" friends can. I've observed that most (not all) religious believers are as relatively nice and compassionate as many of my non-believing friends (There are always "Christian" exceptions such as Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin). In short, I'm not *against* religion as much as I am *for* intellectual honesty.
This post is rather long, but at least a couple of my friends who I consider highly intelligent in many areas agree that this is worth reading for those who value intellectual honesty as opposed to blindly following family or social traditions without question.
If we believe in one god without *real* evidence other than ancient writings and unconfirmed miracles, we may as well believe in all the gods found in hundreds of cultures. The Indians of North and South America have gods very different than the ones found in modern cultures, as do the Muslims, the Mormons, the Catholic's "holy trinity", etc. Indians believed in their gods just as devoutly and earnestly as many "Christians" believe in theirs, and for thousands of years, generation after generation, and in the case of the Greeks, Chinese and Syrians, long before the alleged time of Jesus and Moses.
As LumberJack Jeff notes at the end of this (my) posting:
"Writers that lived during Jesus' time (Apollonius, Ptolemy, Pliny the Elder, Persius, and etc) never mentioned Jesus once in their writing. One would assume that a person as significant as Jesus would be found in the works of the most famous writers of his time."
Yet, not only is Jesus not mentioned by the great writers of his time, neither are his twelve "significant" apostles and their interactions with other "significant" characters of the time.
More to the point, if we cannot give ourselves pause to think about where our beliefs come from and why and still believe without question, than not only is such a lifestyle not intellectually honest, it calls into question the honesty of how such a person votes and chooses their future family and friends.
Below this post are some interesting facts posted by my MySpace friend, LumberJackJeff, about Jesus and similarities to a "messiah" who preceded him. I would add that much of what was finally written about Jesus, along with the rest of the "new" testament was written nearly a hundred years after the death of Jesus. Such writings have in turn been rewritten and edited many times.
In the bible, we find written that "god is not the author of confusion, yet even the most learned biblical scholars often find themselves at odds with each other over many different interpretations. Aristotle's ethics were written about 300 years before the time of Jesus and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the biblical writers borrowed heavily from Aristotle while leaving out the best parts about logic and reason, the two enemies of blind faith.
Any bible can be summed up in a page or less. I summarize my religion in just one word:
Kindness. And by that I mean to self and others.
This means real peace, love and understanding. We find in the ancient bibles these things, but along with contradictions advocating slavery, war, stoning people to death, butchering innocent children (the first born of every household), genocide by flood (from a supposedly all-loving, all knowing god who *knew* we would sin), violence from Jesus, "The Prince of Peace", against money lenders (the basis of every civilized economy) etc.
Kindness works, and requires peace, love and understanding. These are very real things, because none of us would be here without them. Children, who by default are *all* born atheists know these things before being indoctrinated with nonsensical "ten commandments" that most Christians I know can't even recite half of. We have to understand the natural human weaknesses and fears from which blind faith and religions are born, and attempt to educate the world about their own psychology and sociology.
"If love means wishing everyone a better world, then I can honestly say I love just about everyone."
- Chris Aable, M.A., author, "What is Self-Evolution?"
From LumberJack Jeff:
If Jesus existed, he must have been the least original person to have ever lived. Almost every portion of his life is similar to countless gods, saviors, and deities before him. The following will outline similarities Jesus has with a number of gods that predate Christianity.
Deities, gods, and etc that have ascended to heaven:
-Adad of Assyria
-Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece
-Alcides of Thebes
-Atys of Phrygia
-Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phoenicia
-Bali of Afghanistan
-Beddru of Japan
-Buddha Sakia of India
-Cadmus of Greece
-Crite of Chaldea
-Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam
-Divine Teacher of Plato
-Fohi and Tien of China
-Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico
-Hesus of Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids
-Hil and Feta of the Mandaites
-Ischy of the Island of Formosa
-Ixion and Quirnus of Rome
-Holy One of Xaca
-Indra of Tibet
-Jao of Nepal
-Krishna of Hindostan
-Mikado of the Sintoos
-Mohammed, or Mahomet, of Arabia
-Odin of the Scandinavians
-Prometheus of Caucasus
-Salivahana of Bermuda
-Thammuz of Syria
-Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls
-Universal Monarch of the Sibyls
-Wittoba of the Bilingonese
-Xamolxis of Thrace
-Zoar of the Bonzes
-Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia
-Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt
Now to get a little more particular.
Similarities between Horus and Jesus:
-Horus and the Father are one.
-Jesus says, "I and My Father are one. He that seeth Me, seeth Him that sent Me."
-Horus is the Father seen in the Son.
-Jesus claims to be the Son in whom the Father is revealed.
-Horus was the light of the world, the light that is represented by the symbolical eye, the sign of salvation.
-Jesus is made to declare that He is the light of the world.
-Horus was the way, the truth, the life by name and in person.
-Jesus is made to assert that he is the way, the truth, and the life.
-Horus was the plant, the shoot, the natzar.
-Jesus is made to say: "I am the true vine."
-Horus says: It is I who traverse the heaven; I go round the Sekhet-Arru (the Elysian Fields); Eternity has been assigned to me without end. Lo! I am heir of endless time and my attribute is eternity.
-Jesus says: " I am come down from Heaven. For this is the will of the Father that everyone who beholdeth the Son and believeth in Him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." (He, too, claims to be lord of eternity.)
-Horus says: " I open the Tuat that I may drive away the darkness."
-Jesus says: " I am come a light unto the world."
-Horus says: I am equipped with thy words O Ra (the father in heaven) and repeat them to those who are deprived of breath. These were the words of the father in heaven.
-Jesus says: " The Father which sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak. Whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. The word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
-Horus baptized with water by Anup the Baptizer
-Jesus Baptized with water by John the Baptist
-Horus born in Annu, the place of bread
-Jesus born in Bethlehem, the house of bread.
-Horus the Good Shepherd with the crook upon his shoulders
-Jesus the Good Shepherd with the lamb or kid upon his shoulder.
-The Seven on board the boat with Horus
-The seven fishers on board the boat with Jesus.
-Horus as the Lamb
-Jesus as the Lamb.
-Horus as the Lion
-Jesus as the Lion.
-Horus identified with the Tat or Cross
-Jesus identified with the Cross.
-Horus the Krst
-Jesus the Christ.
-Horus the manifesting Son of God
-Jesus the manifesting Son of God.
-The trinity of Atum the Father, Horus the Son, and Ra the Holy Spirit
-The trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
-The first Horus as a child of the Virgin, the second as the Son of Ra
-Jesus as the Virgins child, the Christ as Son of the Father.
-Set and Horus contending on the Mount
-Jesus and Satan contending on the Mount.
-The Star as the announcer of the child Horus
-The Star in the East that indicated the birthplace of Jesus.
-Horus as the type of life eternal
-Jesus the type of eternal life.
-Twelve followers of Horus as Har-Khutti
-Twelve followers of Jesus as the twelve disciples.
Similarities between Krishna and Jesus:
-Both are held to be really god incarnate
-Both were incarnated and born of a woman
-The mother in each case was a holy virgin
-The father of each was a carpenter
-Both were of royal decent
-Each had the title of "Savior"
-Both were "without sin"
-Both were crucified
-Both were crucified between two thieves
-Each taught of a great and final day of judgment
-Both are worshiped on December 25th
Similarities between Mithra and Jesus:
-Both are worshipped on December 25th
-Both had twelve disciples
-Both were regarded as "the good shepherd", "the way, the truth, the light", "redeemer", "savior", and "messiah".
-Both identified with the lion and the lamb.
-Both were of virgin birth.
-Both offered eternal life and performed miracles.
-Both sacrificed themselves.
-Both rose from the dead after three days.
Similarities between Dionysus and Jesus:
-Both were worshipped on December 25th.
-Both were of virgin birth
-Both sacrificed themselves
-Both rose from the dead after three days
-Both traveled and performed miracles
-Both regarded as "Savior"
-Both were considered the "King of Kings"
This is just the tip of the iceberg, people!
As an interesting side note, writers that lived during Jesus' time (Apollonius, Ptolemy, Pliny the Elder, Persius, and etc) never mentioned Jesus once in their writing. One would assume that a person as significant as Jesus would be found in the works of the most famous writers of his time.
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TerryMadison at 9:50PM on Apr 27th 2008
881. TM post 879 - Professing themselves to be wise they become fools. You are so filled with glorifying yourself, you miss what Christ has done for you. One thing we know for sure, you are dying, we were born to do so. If you are right then nothing lost for either one of us. If I am right all is lost for you, you will face a second death. Eternal punishment and seperation from God.
Man_in_Wilderness at 1:13AM on Apr 28th 2008
882. Man_in_the_wilderness, you philosophy is so "stuck in stupidity" that you can't see alternatives to your constant circular, twisted logic, beyond that narrow dark tunnel vision you've come to accept as "real".
A person has everything to lose by believing in your perverse notion of a god that sends people to a lake of "fire" - no thoughtful ethical or moral person would believe in such nonsense and that's why nearly a billion people in Asia alone have never been converted to your distorted view of death. If that's the way your god is, you deserve him, but decent, rational people would want nothing to do with it...um...if it existed - it doesn't except in your mind and that ancient book of lies. "God is not the author of confusion" - 1st Corinthians - yet, he most assuredly is, for he author people, and not only are many learned religious scholars people confused about which religious sect to scramble to in order to "not go to hell", but still more who are "confused" about your silly religion.
If you expect people to convert or believe based on the promise of reward in heaven or the threat of hell, you take away a person's free will to be good and moral for the sake of goodness alone, for you are now making it "conditional". Infants know the difference between good and bad long before they are indoctrinated by those who unthinkingly embrace their particular religious sect.
Pascal’s Wager fails because it falsely assumes only two options: you can believe in one particular god, or you can believe in no god at all. It simply doesn’t allow for the countless gods man has worshiped over the centuries.
Consider, for a moment, the actions of radical Islam extremists who flew airplanes into the World Trade Center. These young men believed so strongly in their religion that they essentially turned themselves into guided missiles, and went knowingly to the premature deaths. As incredible as it may seem to those of us in the US, these men actually believed not only in their specific version of god, but that their god would reward them by sending them directly to paradise.
In the aftermath of 9/11, many wondered how these young men could be so misguided. Did anyone wonder, on the other hand, if they could be right? And if they were right, what would it mean for those of us here in the commercial but Christian-run United States? If the fundamental Islamic extremists are right, then we are all infidels, and it is highly unlikely we will ever see paradise.
Now for the obvious question: how much sleep are you going to lose tonight, wondering if you might be missing out on the one true religion of fanatical Islam? And if your answer is little to none, why would you assume that anyone would lose sleep over your religion or that of the fanatical Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, the three Jims - Jimmy Baker, Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggert, ad naseum?
A quote from an unknown email source:
While simplistic thinking may find Pascal’s Wager compelling, it’s important to remember that in the world of humankind’s religions, one hopeful believer could never play it one hundred percent safe. Become a born-again Christian, and you might be upsetting Allah. Worship Allah, and you might reincarnated as a beetle when you die. Become a Buddhist, and you might have to answer to the lightning bolts of almighty Zeus…and well, you can see the bind you’re in...it's the blind leading the blind.
Equally as important, since I know life on earth is limited and precious, I can *honestly* treat myself and others with respect instead thumping the bible at them as a substitute for reality. You have not been honest, and ironically call "god's creation" - "LIARS" while clinging to the lies in the bible. You ask me to cite some - here are a few dozen for openers - it's call evidence - not based on my words nor my interpretation, but the actual writing in the biblical texts that millions of "Christians" run their lives with, often hypocritically and to suit their own prejudices and biases. In doing so, you are living a life of lies. The good news is you can redeem yourself by facing the world honestly and not hiding in the wilderness of your biblical interpretations and illusions.
Biblical Contradictions
Here is a short and incomplete list of Biblical contradictions which were obtained from postings in internet newsgroups. More contradictions and lies of the Gospel and this list of Biblical Contradictions are at www.infidels.org
The LIE that the Bible was divinely inspired is one of it's biggest lies, for it has too many obvious contradictions and lies to be neither "holy" nor "divine" -
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
Moral Precepts
24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39
Historical Facts
58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44
Speculative Doctrines
108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17
Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 10:34
... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Matthew 26:52
For wrath killeth the foolish man...
- Job 5:2
... let not the sun go down on your wrath.
- Ephesians 4:26
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, even the Son of man which
is in heaven.
- John 3:13
... and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
- 2 Kings 2:11
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
- John 5:31
I am one that bear witness of myself...
- John 8:18
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
A good man leaveth an inheritance to his children's children...
- Proverbs 13:22
Sell that ye have and give alms...
- Luke 12:33
Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches
shall be in his house...
- Psalms 112:1-3
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than
for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
- Matthew 19:24
I and my father are one.
- John 10:30
... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
- John 14:28
[Jesus was the speaker in both of these quotes]
Thou shalt not kill
- Exodus 20:13
Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his
side... and slay every man his brother...
- Exodus 32:27
Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8
The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with: it is iniquity.
- Isaiah 3:22
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of anything that is in heaven... earth... [or] water.
- Leviticus 26:11
And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.
- Exodus 25:18
For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works.
- Ephesians 2:8-9
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.
- James 2:24
God is not a man, that he should lie: neither the son of man,
that he should repent.
- Numbers 23:19
And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.
- Exodus 32:14
... the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall
hear his voice, and come forth...
- John 5:28-29
As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth
down to the grave shall come up no more.
- Job 7:9
... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth,
hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for
wound, stripe for stripe.
- Exodus 21:23-25
... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right
cheek, turn to him the other also.
- Matthew 5:39
Honor thy father and mother.
- Exodus 20:12
If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and
wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own
life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:26
Lay not up for yourself treasures upon the earth...
- Matthew 6:19
In the house of the righteous is much treasure...
- Proverbs 15:6
I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
- Genesis 32:30
No man hath seen God at any time.
- John 1:18
The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
- Ezekiel 18:20
... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
generation.
- Exodus 20:5
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth
understanding.
- Proverbs 3:13
For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
knowledge increaseth sorrow.
- Ecclesiastes 1:18
The Lord is good to all.
- Psalm 145:6
I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things.
- Isaiah 45:7
Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
- Matthew 5:22
[Jesus said] Ye fools and blind.
- Matthew 23:17
For all have sinned.
- Romans 3:23
There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect
and upright.
- Job 1:1
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Kings 8:26
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
- 2 Chronicles 22:2
If a man vow a vow unto the Lord or swear an oath... he shall do
according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.
- Numbers 30:2
But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven... nor by
earth.
- Matthew 5:34-35
... the earth abideth forever.
- Ecclesiastes 1:4
... the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and
the works that are therein shall be burned up.
- 2 Peter 3:10
... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger
forever.
- Jeremiah 3:12
Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.
- Jeremiah 17:4
... God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.
- James 1:13
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt
Abraham.
- Genesis 22:1
And God saw everything that he made, and behold it was very good.
- Genesis 1:31
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on earth, and it
grieved him at his heart
- Genesis 6:6
For now have I chosen and sanctified this house that my name be
there forever; and mine eyes and my heart shall be there
perpetually.
- II Chronicles 7:16
Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
- Acts 7:48
[God dwells] in the light which no man can approach unto.
- I Timothy 6:16
The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
- I Kings 8:12
And the Lord called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid.
- Genesis 3:9,10
Ye hath neither heard his voice, at any time, nor seen his shape.
- John 5:37
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the
elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel... They saw
God, and did eat and drink.
- Exodus 24: 9-11
Whom no man hath seen nor can see.
- I Timothy 6:16
With God all things are possible.
- Matthew 29:26
And the Lord was with Judah, and he drove out the inhabitants of
the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the
valley, because they had chariots of iron.
- Judges 1:19
God is not the author of confusion.
- I Corinthians 24:33
Out of the mouth of the most high proceedeth not evil and good?
- Lamentations 3:38
Those that seek me early shall find me.
- Proverbs 8:17
Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall
seek me early, but shall not find me.
- Proverbs 1:28
On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of
atonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall
afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 23:27
For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day
that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt
offering or sacrifices.
- Jeremiah 7:22
And the priest shall burn all on the altar to be a burnt
sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the
Lord.
- Leviticus 1:9
Your burnt offering are not acceptable, nor your sacrifices sweet
unto me.
- Jeremiah 7:20
God is not a man, that he should lie
- Numbers 23:19
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the
Lord have deceived that prophet.
- Ezekiel 24:9
There is none other God but one.
- I Corinthians 8:4
And God said, Let us make man in our image.
- Genesis 1:26
When ye go, ye shall not go empty; but every woman shall borrow
of her neighbor, and of her that sojourneth in her house, jewels
of silver and jewels of gold, and raiment; and ye shall put them
on your sons and upon your daughters; and ye shall spoil the
Egyptians.
- Exodus 3:21,22
Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, nether rob him.
- Leviticus 19:13
At the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of
man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
- Genesis 4:5,6
And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should
kill him.
- Genesis 4:15
Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not,
neither do they spin... if God so clothe the grass of the
field... shall he not much more clothe you? Therefore, take no
thought, saying what shall we eat? or what shall we drink? or
wherewithal shall we be clothed?... Take, therefore, no thought
for the morrow.
- Matthew 6:28, 30-34
But if any provideth not for his own, especially for those of his
own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an
infidel.
- I Timothy 5:8
Be ye angry and sin not.
- Ephesians 4:26
Be not hasty in they spirit to be angry; for anger resideth in
the bosom of fools.
- Ecclesiastes 7:9
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works.
- Matthew 5:16
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them.
- Matthew 6:1
And Solomon stood before the alter of the Lord, in the presence
of all the congregation of Israel, and spread forth his hands
toward heaven...
- I Kings 7:22
When thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for
they love to pray standing in the synagogues, and in the corners
of the streets, that they may be seen of men...
- Matthew 6:5
And no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a
Nazarite unto God from the womb.
- Judges 8:5
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that if a man hath long
hair, it is a shame unto him?
- I Corinthians 6:14
Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
- Exodus 20:8
One man esteemeth one day above another; another esteemeth every
day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
- Romans 14:5
For in the six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and
all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the
Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Exodus 20:11
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and
that the Lord thy God brought the out thence through a mighty
hand and by a stretched-out arm; therefore the Lord thy God
commanded the to keep the Sabbath day.
- Deuteronomy 5:15
There is nothing unclean of itself.
- Romans 14:14
Nevertheless, these shall ye not eat, of them that chew the cud or of them that divide the cloven hoof; as the camel and the hare, and the coney; for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof, therefore they are unclean unto you. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.
- Deuteronomy 14:7,8
Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother.
- Deuteronomy 27:22
And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
- Genesis 20:11,12
If brethren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife.
- Deuteronomy 25:5
If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing... they shall be childless.
- Leviticus 20:21
He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness.
- Mark 3:29
And by him that believe are justified from all things.
- Acts 13:39
[John the Baptist] is Elias which was for to come.
- Matthew 11:14
And they asked him, what then? Art thou [John the Baptist] Elias? And he saith, I am not.
- John 1:21
Now, after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God.
- Mark 1:14
After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judea... and John was also baptizing Enon... for John was not yet cast into prison.
- John 3:22-24
And it was in the third hour, and they crucified him.
- Mark 25:3-4
And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, behold your king... Shall I crucify your king?
- John 19:14-15
They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall.
- Matthew 27:34
And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh.
- Mark 15:23
[Jesus was the thirsty chap in both verses.]
And the men which journeyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
- Acts 9:7
And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
- Acts 22:9
Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman.
- Galatians 4:22
By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son.
- Hebrews 11:17
Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death.
- II Samuel 6:23
The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul.
- II Samuel 21:8
And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel.
- II Samuel 24:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
- I Chronicles 21:1
All power is given unto [Jesus] in heaven and in earth.
- Matthew 28:18
And [Jesus] could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands on a few sick folk and healed them.
- Mark 6:5
There shall no evil happen to the just.
- Proverbs 12:21
YET -
Whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
- Hebrews 12:6
TerryMadison at 2:13AM on Apr 28th 2008
883. Godless Heathen 857,
"Yeah, and I dont know but, it seems the world would be more depressing if people chose gayness. Ive heard England has become more gloomy. As if they needed help, with all that rain and all...
Michelle at 10:35PM on Apr 25th 2008
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Good. Glad you think that. Stay the hell away then. It WOULD be gloomy with a bunch of fundie mo-mos all over the place condemning everybody.
I loved for 8 months in Amarillo, TX. Buckle of the Bible Belt. I almost went fucking crazy. You want to talk gloomy? It's really gloomy when you can't find one intelligent person to talk to, and everybody's talking about church, god, gays, hunting, how great Bush is, guns, and the Bible. Like living in a moron colony. One random square mile of New England is worth all of the Texas panhandle and nearby Oklahoma. "
Ha, yeah, I CAN DEFINITELY identify. I live in the eastern us and after a definite brain realization I went with these definite bible belters from the east including my mother, yeesh, to this perry stone conference. Oh god, I dont know but yeah, I felt evil oh so evil with my enlivened brain cells. These people are hypocrites though. All my life my mom has barely cleaned the house, and she's a little fat, and she doesnt have to be. Were from the east after all. There are brain cells here. Duh!
And about the gays. I dont know. Part of their guilt is the christians fault. But that doesnt mean christians are all bad or all christians are bad, I dont think.
Michelle at 9:11PM on Apr 28th 2008
884. See, here are some ok Christians. (I think theyre still christians, they at least used to be.) Dont know how these guys survive the bible belt. Guess they got used to it.
http://www.myspace.com/lunahalo
Michelle at 12:22AM on Apr 29th 2008
885. ghb,
i see your up to bashing christiansagain!! and when a sane person speaks of the giant sucking sound of atheism you get offended.are you angry? are you hurting? are you lonely. bootsy would say get in touch with your inner chi yes that place deep within the knows all things in the "big mind", the eye in the sky. all knowing benovolent world of peace ans acceptance and is is waiting ghb. dump all your poison there. the land fill can take more of you than you can it
brian at 10:30AM on Apr 30th 2008