We've all heard of Black History Month, but have you heard about Atheist Bashing Week? It was Atheist Bashing Week for me as I did three debates over the past seven days with a new crop of leading atheists.
First on Monday April 21 I debated philosopher Walter Sinnott-Armstrong at Dartmouth before a large crowd. The 500-seat auditorium was full so they used an overflow room, which had hundreds more watching on a big screen. This was a scholarly debate in which Sinnott-Armstrong distanced himself from what he portrayed as the crude atheism of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. Against this village atheism, well represented among atheists who comment on this blog, Sinnott-Armstrong offered a more dignified atheism that he said recognizes the accomplishments of Christianity. In one revealing moment he event said schools and colleges should teach students that the crimes of Christianity, like the Inquisition and the Salem witch trials, pale before the crimes of atheist regimes like those of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. Overall this was an elevated debate, one of the more high-toned ones I've participated in.
Then on Tuesday April 22 I debated Dan Barker of the Freedom from Religion Foundation at Harvard. Here the audience was smaller, because Harvard is launching into final exams. But the debate was very sharp and lively. We didn't do the traditional opening statements followed by rebuttals and cross-examination and so on. Rather, a student panel posed questions to both of us, and we each answered, with the other person than having a chance to reply. This format suits me very well, and I found myself being able to develop arguments about epistemology and science more fully than in other formats. Later the atheist students who organized the debate complimented me on my performance, and one said that I had made numerous arguments that he had never thought of, and that were compelling him to rethink (although not abandon) his atheism.
Finally on Friday April 25 I debated the controversial Princeton philosopher Peter Singer at Biola University. This was the biggest event, with more than 2,500 in attendance. Since Biola is a Christian campus, the majority of those present were believers, although atheists were represented too. The Christian students treated Singer extremely well, which is not always how theists are received when they show up on secular campuses. I went first and focused on Singer's extreme views, such as his proposal that parents be allowed to kill their children up to the age of 28 days. Singer also thinks America and the West can learn from non-Western societies, not to mention ancient Greece and Rome, where children were routinely killed at much higher ages. Oddly enough this champion of infanticide and euthanasia also favors animal rights!
If this seems like a strange combination, the apparent paradox is resolved when you discover Singer's logic. Singer argues that we human beings are Darwinian primates. We are on a continuum with the other animals. It is Christianity, Singer charges, that came into the world and elevated human beings on a pedestal. It is Christianity that proclaimed that man is in the image of God, and that creation is for man's benefit. These ideas gave rise to the special dignity of man and human rights and moral principles such as "It is wrong to deliberately take human life." Singer thinks that now that we know God is dead, we should get rid of these principles and replace them with utilitarian considerations more in keeping with our animal nature. In a sense Singer is taking up Nietzsche's challenge--to rid our civilization not only of the Christian God but also of Christian morality--and his homicidal conclusions, which many people find horrific, are only a working-out of his atheist logic.
Surprisingly Singer didn't want to talk about any of this during our debate. In a way I can see why: who wants to defend killing three-week old infants in the presence of a largely-Christian audience! Instead Singer wanted to argue about why a just God allows suffering in the world, not only the suffering of children but also of animals. I didn't want our debate to be like two ships passing in the night, so I happily engaged Singer on those issues. He is a lucid and gentlemanly debater, and he complimented me for eschewing Bible citations in favor of reason and logic and history and science in developing my arguments. I praised him for having the guts to come to a Christian campus and debate me, quite a contrast from the invertebrate Richard Dawkins who seems terrified to take me on even at his native Oxford.
All these debates will soon be up on the web. I have now debated six leading atheists--Christopher Hitchens, Michael Shermer, Daniel Dennett, Walter Sinnott-Armstrong, Dan Barker, and Peter Singer. Hitchens and I already have a couple of rematches scheduled, and Singer has agreed to a second debate on the East Coast. I am also planning a debate next year with Harvard cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker. The mathematician John Allen Paulos, author of the new book Irreligion, has approached me about debating and we are looking for the appropriate venue. Over the next few years I am hoping to assemble the most extensive existing archive of "God v. Atheism" debates. Many churches are already showing these debates in order to educate and instruct believers. I wonder if atheist groups will have the confidence to air them at their conferences.
So far no takers though. And my challenges to Dawkins to step into the arena have only met with pathetic rationalization: "Richard is simply too busy and smart to debate you Dinesh." Busy doing what besides being caught with his pants down by Ben Stein? And I guess he's smart because he doesn't want to risk further embarassing himself and destroying his public reputation! Won't it be hilarious if the "party of faith" is unafraid of opposing arguments while the "party of reason" cannot withstand the arguments of its critics? This is what Henry James might describe as a most interesting turning of the screw.




Reader Comments ( Page 4 of 61)
46. Once again, I find it difficult to understand why, if DD and bryan and ..... all the other Christian apologists we read here on this blog really want to convince non-believers to reexamine their viewpoints
with regard to the "good news" (I believe this is the usual term) of God's gift to humanity, they insist upon implying, in not so softly stated terms, that all the rest of us are "liars, stupid, vicious, angry, various curse words...., etc., rather than by suggesting in caring, friendly, cogent, intelligent,...etc. ways that we need to be willing to listen their efforts to point out the message of Christ for the world. I keep thinking that at least one of them would stop to think that His message was lovingkindness, forgiveness and understanding for even "the least of these" and that His followers were urged to "bear witness" by their example.
Harvey at 10:01AM on Apr 28th 2008
47. I posted this on the other blog for MIW:
For chrissake!
MIW
Even the jews don't believe that the "old testament" is the literal truth and it's THEIR BOOK.
Doesn't that make the literalists idiots? Why yes it does.
Linda at 10:01AM on Apr 28th 2008
48. Speaking of Dinesh's debating technique, here is an adorable sports trend that only Japan could come up with:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20080428p2a00m0na022000c.html
Mokele Mbembe at 10:02AM on Apr 28th 2008
49. Dawkins is only in it for the $$$. He jawbones so that he can profit off of "The God Delusion", but he doesn't have the balls to go up against a rel man, like Dinesh.
Jimmy at 10:04AM on Apr 28th 2008
50. terry madison, great posts but one thing u will never be able to do is convince a pharisee that he is an evil, hateful, hellbound soul whom God dispises. these people don't understand that God looks into your heart and soul, not what u boast about or bash. they dont have the concept of being a servant to their enemies and compassionate towards the wicked. afterall Jesus did DIE for our sins, and these people certainly are far from perfect. so dd continue looking down your nose at all the "evil doers" here on earth-the athiests, the gays, and whomever else u hate, and continue spiting God with your own wickedness. your judgement shall be that much worse.
Jay at 10:06AM on Apr 28th 2008
51.
Hah! Dawkins would bury DD. Which is why he wouldn't want to debate such a child.
Here's a link to a debate that Dawkins had with Francis Collins:
http://www.opensourcetheology.net/node/1074
Linda at 10:10AM on Apr 28th 2008
52. Harvey
I think you will find almost Christians including DD that posts on this site are pseudo Christians.
Jerry Brown at 10:11AM on Apr 28th 2008
53. Jay:
Glad to see that there is at least one of you who can engage in non-confrontational debate and who has identified that DD and his supporters do not care about anything but hatred and self-agrandizement
Harvey at 10:15AM on Apr 28th 2008
54. Harvey
I am still thinking about, and appreciating the comment you sent to Linda, and me the other day concerning your grandfather, and his wisdom.
Jerry Brown at 10:17AM on Apr 28th 2008
55. one more thing id like to add, the reason why Jesus despised the pharisees so much is because no one gets into heaven due to his own actions. even if u were perfect it is only by the grace of Jesus' blood that u can walk thru the pearly gates. afterall if actions got u saved what would be the point of Jesus' death? none. pharisees loved to boast about how righteous they were, and how wicked others were. judge not least ye be judged. he who is without sin may cast the first stone. sound familiar? dd, ann, brian,.... take note.
Jay at 10:19AM on Apr 28th 2008
56. brian,
Are you trying to start a clean slate by renaming yourself Jay?
Mokele Mbembe at 10:22AM on Apr 28th 2008
57. brian,
I think you're just trying to make the "2%" feel outnumbered and surrounded by you fabricating new christian characters into our cast.
Mokele Mbembe at 10:24AM on Apr 28th 2008
58. "Atheist Bashing Week"
Dinesh more often than not sounds like he's still debating for Tom Landry Middle School than like he's an alumnus of Darmouth. I understand that there are plenty of rich guys at the apex of the Indian economic pyramid, I wonder if Dinesh got into Dartmouth the same way that Bush got into Yale.
Ed W. at 10:25AM on Apr 28th 2008
59. thanks Harvey,
people like dd, ann c, and all the psudo-christians who hide behind the cross to promote hate and intollerance really put a black eye in the face of christianity. furthermore they dont realize that they will be judged according to how they judged others. im a Christian and i try my best to live like Jesus would want me to. im not perfect and that keeps me humble, and thankful :o)
peace. Jay
Jay at 10:28AM on Apr 28th 2008
60. Harvey, I think I might know the answer to your questions. Dinesh is far more interested in selling books to the believers than he is in promoting Christianity, and Bryan is actually the pen name of Dinesh's mother.
Edward Wenskovitch at 10:28AM on Apr 28th 2008