We've all heard of Black History Month, but have you heard about Atheist Bashing Week? It was Atheist Bashing Week for me as I did three debates over the past seven days with a new crop of leading atheists.
First on Monday April 21 I debated philosopher Walter Sinnott-Armstrong at Dartmouth before a large crowd. The 500-seat auditorium was full so they used an overflow room, which had hundreds more watching on a big screen. This was a scholarly debate in which Sinnott-Armstrong distanced himself from what he portrayed as the crude atheism of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. Against this village atheism, well represented among atheists who comment on this blog, Sinnott-Armstrong offered a more dignified atheism that he said recognizes the accomplishments of Christianity. In one revealing moment he event said schools and colleges should teach students that the crimes of Christianity, like the Inquisition and the Salem witch trials, pale before the crimes of atheist regimes like those of Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot. Overall this was an elevated debate, one of the more high-toned ones I've participated in.
Then on Tuesday April 22 I debated Dan Barker of the Freedom from Religion Foundation at Harvard. Here the audience was smaller, because Harvard is launching into final exams. But the debate was very sharp and lively. We didn't do the traditional opening statements followed by rebuttals and cross-examination and so on. Rather, a student panel posed questions to both of us, and we each answered, with the other person than having a chance to reply. This format suits me very well, and I found myself being able to develop arguments about epistemology and science more fully than in other formats. Later the atheist students who organized the debate complimented me on my performance, and one said that I had made numerous arguments that he had never thought of, and that were compelling him to rethink (although not abandon) his atheism.
Finally on Friday April 25 I debated the controversial Princeton philosopher Peter Singer at Biola University. This was the biggest event, with more than 2,500 in attendance. Since Biola is a Christian campus, the majority of those present were believers, although atheists were represented too. The Christian students treated Singer extremely well, which is not always how theists are received when they show up on secular campuses. I went first and focused on Singer's extreme views, such as his proposal that parents be allowed to kill their children up to the age of 28 days. Singer also thinks America and the West can learn from non-Western societies, not to mention ancient Greece and Rome, where children were routinely killed at much higher ages. Oddly enough this champion of infanticide and euthanasia also favors animal rights!
If this seems like a strange combination, the apparent paradox is resolved when you discover Singer's logic. Singer argues that we human beings are Darwinian primates. We are on a continuum with the other animals. It is Christianity, Singer charges, that came into the world and elevated human beings on a pedestal. It is Christianity that proclaimed that man is in the image of God, and that creation is for man's benefit. These ideas gave rise to the special dignity of man and human rights and moral principles such as "It is wrong to deliberately take human life." Singer thinks that now that we know God is dead, we should get rid of these principles and replace them with utilitarian considerations more in keeping with our animal nature. In a sense Singer is taking up Nietzsche's challenge--to rid our civilization not only of the Christian God but also of Christian morality--and his homicidal conclusions, which many people find horrific, are only a working-out of his atheist logic.
Surprisingly Singer didn't want to talk about any of this during our debate. In a way I can see why: who wants to defend killing three-week old infants in the presence of a largely-Christian audience! Instead Singer wanted to argue about why a just God allows suffering in the world, not only the suffering of children but also of animals. I didn't want our debate to be like two ships passing in the night, so I happily engaged Singer on those issues. He is a lucid and gentlemanly debater, and he complimented me for eschewing Bible citations in favor of reason and logic and history and science in developing my arguments. I praised him for having the guts to come to a Christian campus and debate me, quite a contrast from the invertebrate Richard Dawkins who seems terrified to take me on even at his native Oxford.
All these debates will soon be up on the web. I have now debated six leading atheists--Christopher Hitchens, Michael Shermer, Daniel Dennett, Walter Sinnott-Armstrong, Dan Barker, and Peter Singer. Hitchens and I already have a couple of rematches scheduled, and Singer has agreed to a second debate on the East Coast. I am also planning a debate next year with Harvard cognitive psychologist Steven Pinker. The mathematician John Allen Paulos, author of the new book Irreligion, has approached me about debating and we are looking for the appropriate venue. Over the next few years I am hoping to assemble the most extensive existing archive of "God v. Atheism" debates. Many churches are already showing these debates in order to educate and instruct believers. I wonder if atheist groups will have the confidence to air them at their conferences.
So far no takers though. And my challenges to Dawkins to step into the arena have only met with pathetic rationalization: "Richard is simply too busy and smart to debate you Dinesh." Busy doing what besides being caught with his pants down by Ben Stein? And I guess he's smart because he doesn't want to risk further embarassing himself and destroying his public reputation! Won't it be hilarious if the "party of faith" is unafraid of opposing arguments while the "party of reason" cannot withstand the arguments of its critics? This is what Henry James might describe as a most interesting turning of the screw.



Reader Comments ( Page 61 of 61)
901. Tom B, if you were an adult you wouldn't be hiding on the back pages, spouting your rhetoric without a rebuttal. But if this is how you stroke your ego have at it.
JefFlyingV at 9:38PM on May 11th 2008
902. Dinesh D'Souza why worship god?
Why worship any being at all?
Why worship a being that hold life and death over you?
Why worship a being that threatens to provide you punishment, torment and pain for all eternity if you fail to do what he commands or fail to worship him?
Why worship the evil god of the bible?
Peter at 1:08AM on May 12th 2008
903. "Atheists do not exist, so you can bash all you want as far as I am concerned. Keep up the good work!" - Tom B.
Tom B you're a shining example of Christian morals and ethics - just like your mythical god orders you to be. When do you start dashing babies?
"Atheists make the claim that there is no God, because they want to steal that role." - Tom B.
Actually like usual you god freaks get it wrong; we atheists do not "claim" there is no God. We simply require evidence for you to prove your god exists. We also think that that is not possible since the odds of your god existing are essentially zero. Be that as it may, you're the ones making the extraordinary claims of a god so it's up to you to provide the proof of said mythical god.
"Atheism is a modern phenomenon" - Tom B.
Ah, read your history there Tommy Boy. There is a very long tradition of human beings who have common sense. We are the ones who call bullshit when you con men attempt to corrupt those with weaker minds. We have been here through history nagging at you for proof which we have yet to see from you.
You've not shown the proof in the past 10,000+ years of being asked... I wonder why? Could it be? Could it be that your god doesn't exist and he's simply a delusion of your twisted fantasies? Could it be?
Show your proof. Get off the pot and show your proof.
Peter at 6:01AM on May 12th 2008
904. "Busy doing what besides being caught with his pants down by Ben Stein? "
Just like Ben Stein, you're a liar Dinesh.
If I was Dawkins I'd punch you in your fuckin' face for that lie. And you've got the cheek to wonder why he wont debate you?
It's because you're a fuckin' arsehole, obviously.
Dean Wright at 9:13AM on May 12th 2008
905. It's ugly, isn't it. The idea of atheist bashing. Imagine, Christian Bashing Week. Oh yes, I remember, the Romans had that, and it didn't work out too well for them.
I can't help wondering why all this is so difficult and why all this "debating" and posturing is necessary. It would all be a lot easier if those who believed in a God (any God!) could actually find some evidence to help the rest of us find our way to enlightenment without having to guess at the right answer. These are questions of eternal life and death, after all.
sensil at 12:53AM on May 23rd 2008
906. You could be a good debater Dinesh, I could care less. But if you feel that you are so great to take on Dawkins why do you resort to pompous remarks? It comes off as bitter and is quite transparent of your character.
Meh, anyway you look at it it is always going to be more logical to disbelieve than to believe. It always will be, as long as their is Burdon of Proof. I think that is what bugs many of you advocators of a higher power.
Deal with it.
Matt at 5:57PM on May 25th 2008
907. True, it does make little sense to debate a faithless wunderkind like Dawkins.
Dawkins and all atheists who are Speeding to Hell should not be slowed by traffic cops like Dinesh.
Let them be "free" to choose the bad. Of course, freedom is the ability to choose the good, and if Dawkins chooses the "bad," how free is he really? When a man chooses to travel 120 mph in his new Mustang, is he really free in doing this?
Tom B at 8:51PM on Jun 3rd 2008
908. Well some-one's got a bee in their bonnet about Dawkins...
I was almost ready to conceed that, despite having a world view based on patent absurdity, you write with a certain elegance and even-handedness. Almost. This concession was naturally immediately negated by the final paragraph, which is an ill-advised slip into ranting and personal antipathy.
Keep to the facts next time.
KT at 1:45PM on Jun 8th 2008
909. ...So, if this is the standard of mr. D'Souza's arguments, why should we take him seriously?
Aoichan at 4:14AM on Jul 15th 2008