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16. The Texas Democratic Primary produced the following results, from actual voters:
Clinton 50.9%
Obama 47.4%
Yet, Obama received 110 delegate votes and Clinton received only 105 delegate. Sounds like typical Democrat math to me....so so CORRUPT.
David Pitlock at 7:05PM on Apr 25th 2008
17.
David,
1) There are rules and systems put into place long before any of the elections take place. In Texas, they have a primary and they hold caucuses.
2) You are correct in stating that Hillary won the primary in Texas, however, Obama won all the caucuses.
3) Furthermore, if I am not mistaken (which I could be), I do believe that Delegates are distributed differently according to the districts of each state. Thus, making Obama win more delegates if the districts where he won are heavily Democratic populated.
4) Alternatively, your comment about corruption really makes no sense, because as I stated at the top of my remarks these rules go into place before the primary or elections began. Furthermore, the politicians involved all agree on the rules that are put into place.
5) If you wish to get educated on how corruption works, I would recommend that you try to find out if by chance Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and Alberto Gonzales or W. are planning on teaching courses on corruption in say about 278 days if it takes a couple of days, unless of course, they are not doing prison time.
Oh well one can only hope for justice to come, I guess I will just continue to dream on.
Patty at 7:45PM on Apr 25th 2008
18. so here we go again with hillary's supporters not getting it.....she has lost, and yes they have both been negative, but at least barack stays mainly with the issues....hillary continues to mud sling....the reules were put in place before the primaries in florida and michigan, but they decided to break the rules, so now hillary wants them to count....how clinton is that ??? and about trying to call barack out for another debate, whats the purpose ???? they are about the same when they stay on the issues, if it would stay (debate) on the issues, i would say ok...but to rehash the rev. wright, or the bitter dialouge, or hillary dodging sniper bullets, is more than anyone can handle, what about what is going on in this country.....health care that we can all afford, outlandish gas prices, grocery prices increasing, social security being available in the future, our seniors being taken care of, how bout getting out of irag, and then taking care of our young men and women that come back from iraq mangled....the housing problem, so many families losing their homes, the economy, joblessness.....on and on and on....
dottie moya at 8:27PM on Apr 25th 2008
19. If she wins Indiana, however, she will surely go forward – and Democrats run the risk of a split decision in June. Mr. Obama could have more delegates, but she could have more popular votes. In fact, on Tuesday night she actually grabbed the popular vote lead: If you include the Michigan and Florida primary results, Mrs. Clinton now leads the popular vote by a slim 113,000 votes out of 29,914,356 cast.
It is this AWA commentator who is spewing utter nonsense.
DontThinkSo at 8:32PM on Apr 25th 2008
20. Hillary Clinton's negative rating is higher than any Democratic candidate running for president, EVER. Even her husband's numbers were no where near this bad when he ran for his 2nd term. How can she possibly unite the party OR beat John McCain when over half the nation can't stand the sight of her?! Vote Obama and demand that Washington insiders give AMERICANS a chance for a while.
ClintonFatigue at 10:21PM on Apr 25th 2008
21.
Hillary Clintons arguments are insane. Nobody is saying this but not only can she not win the nomination she can't win the General Election even if she figured out a way to steal the nomination. If she did steal the nomination she would lose the African American vote. That alone makes it impossible for her to win. Not unlikely IMPOSSIBLE. She would also lose the young vote and cause most Independents to go to McCain. Many on the Left would leave as well. So WTF is she still in this race for? The woman is insane. I think she believes she can screw up Obamas chances in the General and try to come back in four years saying I told you so. I also think it will not work and New York is going to give her the heave-ho from the Senate if she ever costs Democrats this election. Super Delegates need to end this now. Come out NOW... Time to yank Jim and Tammy Faye Clinton off the stage. Turn the damn page!!!!!
Sam James at 10:57PM on Apr 25th 2008
22. A great many people like Hillary Clinton. She's achieved more with less money which is truly impressive and tells you how much faith people have in her effort. You can call her all the dirty little names you learned on the playground, but the fact is that she is very worthy. (And did I mention she's done it with less money)? I guess Obama thinks he can buy his way in? Well, his cult-like speeches, vacate promises of change and his dirty associations will NOT make him President. He is struggling to stay in the race, doesn't have real answers and continues to spew his degrading rhetoric.
I will VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!
Lanajeane at 11:09PM on Apr 25th 2008
23. If the Clintons were proven guilty of the long lists above they would be doing hard time in Federal Prison. THEY ARE NOT. We know the background. There is no surprises. Did it ever occur to you that they were targets? High position always brings 'em out of the woodwork.
Obama on the other hand as many unknowns. Apparently people are starting to see through him and go on to vote for Hillary. His dirty associations, lies and cult-like rhetoric is falling out of favor and that is why the party and super delegates are waiting it out. They sense that people are becoming more aware of Obama's falsehoods and don't want to make a wrong choice. Let it run it's course.
So, I will VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON!
Lanajeane at 11:39PM on Apr 25th 2008
24. I find this ironic. Neither Hillary or Obama are really qualified to be President of our nation. McCain may come off as a jerk but he is by far the most qualified person. So where does this leave us? I don't like any of the damn choices here. I am disgusted by this circus we call an election because people never actually get to "choose". Everything is predetermined and an illusion.
E at 1:34AM on Apr 26th 2008
25. "hillary clinto will win the election--she won texas ohio and pannsylvania"
Hillary Clinto won pannsylvania!!
Mandi at 1:57AM on Apr 26th 2008
26. Cenk keeps on trying to get Hillary out and keep MoveOn happy with the Obama win, and then Soros will be happy.
Hillary will be crazy to drop out because Obama CANNOT WIN before the Democrat Convention. Anything can happen at a convention, even say Al Gore could end up with the Nomination.
Hillary hang in there, you are showing your toughness.
robert okane at 4:04AM on Apr 26th 2008
27. Cenk
You should consider does Obama have the November Election won already? If you cannot say YES, then shut up and let the race go on. Obama is having some serious problems attracting the voters he needs to win in November. Pennsylvania's voters should be looked at and the weakness Obama has with numerous voter groups.
In Pennsylvania, Clinton racked up numbers as if she was running against an obscure alderman instead of the most lavishly financed primary candidate in US History. Obama outspent Hillary 3 to 1. Yet, Clinton won 70% of non college educated whites, 59% of union members, 69% of Catholics and every income level below $150,000.
Obama lost whites without a college degree in his home state of Illinois, and to date has won the majority of white voters in only 7 states.
How is Obama going to bring the country together around his orthodox left-wing agenda. How can he heal the nations divisions when he cannot even bridge the Democrat Party's demographic divide.
Cenk, point out to us how Obama can overcome his weakness in attracting those voters he needs to win in November before you start saying Clinton should throw in the towel. Winning in November is the name of this game.
robert okane at 6:44AM on Apr 26th 2008
28. I want SHARON,STEVE and RIDER to Shut up,forget the color politics they are blindly following,the dirty politics clintons are playing , and reason with intelligent Americans and the whole world who have assessed the terrible mess America is into right now and knows that the only genuine leader is senator Barack Obama.
He has proved his integrity by keeping a very beautiful campaign,remaining unperturbed despite continous lies and tearing down hilary clinton and the media has perpetuated.
That is a testimony of the kind of strong,visionary PRESIDENT he is going to be from 2009.
Barack,Bravo no shaking !!!! The Lord JESUS will eventually see you through because he knows your heart.AMEN.
President Victor at 7:20AM on Apr 26th 2008
29. Cenk,
Would a Republican/Conservative Half-Term Senator running for president get the number of passes Obama gets for his racist, bigoted and hypocritical remarks?
How about a story on all of his shady associations (some listed below)!!!!!!! [I know you would be doing one on McCain if he had such associations.]
1) Political fixer and Slumlord Tony Rezko
2) Racist, Anti-Semite, Race Baiter Rev. J-Wright
3) Super Delegate/Supreme Racist James Meeks D-IL
4) Domestic terrorist Bill Ayres
5) Terrorist fund raiser Hatem El-Hady
6) Rashid Khalidi cohort of Iranian President Ahmedinejad
7) Malik Zulu Shabazz, the Anti-Semitic and racist leader of the New Black Panther Party
Or how about the toughest story of all: Name a Barack Obama Senatorial Accomplishment!!!!!!!
Paul Sparcello at 8:30AM on Apr 26th 2008
30. Why doesn't someone ask them what evert they put forth as a member of the legislator to pass the bills they are promising. The president can't do 75% of the things that aLL of them are promising.Hillery presented a Health Care Provision to Bill and I'm sure he agreed if he hadn't he would have had to sleep on the couch or at his desk. Congress tuned it down.
James
James Morris at 9:19AM on Apr 26th 2008