Last night in Orange County I had one of my liveliest debates with atheist Christopher Hitchens and the Jewish radio host Dennis Prager. The debate--a sort of Christian-Atheist-Jew slugfest--was held at the Bat Yahm synagogue in Newport Beach. There was a sellout crowd of 1,500, with about 400 turned away.
The debate was unusual in that it involved not two but three different perspectives. Hitchens was particularly harsh in his exchanges with Prager, at one point accusing Prager of covering up for anti-Semitism. My exchanges with Hitchens were consistently sharp but also mutually respectful, and later Hitchens told me that I am one of the most formidable debaters that he has ever faced. I predict this debate will generate huge interest when it is posted on the web. After the debate Hitchens joined my wife and me at the bar where we downed two bottles of Pinot Noir and solved many of the world's problems.
Since our debate focused on God as understood from a Christian, Jewish and atheist perspective, missing from the event was a Muslim perspective. This is a pity, because one staple item of atheist rhetoric is the equation of Islamic extremism with Christianity. In my cross-examination I pressed Hitchens on this issue, and will let viewers watch our exchange for themselves and make up their own minds.
We find the equation between "Islamic fundamentalism" and "Christian fundamentalism" not only among the new atheists but also in the popular culture. Several weeks ago Christiane Amanpour of CNN did her special on "God's Warriors." The premise: The Abrahamic religions all lead to extremism. So Amanpour did three segments, one on Islamic extremism, one on Jewish extremism and one on Christian extremism.
Striking to the viewer, however, was the strained attempt to equate the three. Islamic extremism featured the 9/11 attacks, the Bali bombing, the London bombing, the Madrid bombing, and the list goes on. What about Christian extremism? Well, there was Christiane Amanpour in desperate search for the Christian Bin Laden, the Christian Al Qaeda, the Christian Hamas, the Christian Hezbollah, the Christian state currently run along the lines of post-Khomeini Iran.
Poor Christiane came up empty handed. So she was forced to locate marginal groups which would be repudiated by 99.9 percent of Christians and try to pass them off as the Christian equivalent of the Islamic radicals. I was especially interested to find out that there is an old guy in the hills of Montana who wants to blow up the world in the name of Jesus. Too bad he's broke and doesn't have any teeth. Still, one day he hopes to get a job and carry out his nefarious plans. I suppose this is the closest thing to a Christian Bin Laden. We are all supposed to be very afraid of this man!
One of the new atheists very cleverly termed 9/11 a "faith based initiative." But the witticism conceals an intellectual sleight-of-hand. Bush merely wants the government to be able to support faith-based charities on the same basis as it supports secular charities. What happened at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon seven years ago can hardly be placed in the same intellectual category.
Of late some of the new atheists are backing off from their fraudulent analogy between Islamic extremism and Christianity. This is a powerful blow to the new atheism, because so much of its relevance came from its ability to surf on the wave of current events and interpret modern terrorism as the expression of a generic religious impulse. In reality Bin Laden is more accurately compared to an atheist despot like Pol Pot. I realize the analogy is not entirely fair--to Bin Laden! After all, Bin Laden's death toll (several thousand killed over a dozen years) doesn't come closer to Pol Pot's 2 million killed in the space of three years.
Besides, Pol Pot was a Little League atheist compared to Mao and Stalin, whose death toll was in the tens of millions. When it comes to mass murder in the modern era, Islamic radicalism simply cannot keep up with atheism.



Reader Comments ( Page 53 of 54)
781.
I have taken note, but I have to say one more thing........
"I learned at a very young age that I had some kind of affect on men, even older men, and I learned that I was actually the one in control"
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It was so sweet of you to prove my point. I just checked the other blogs, and there is my name plastered all over them, and I haven't even posted there. Curious.
Someone can't seem to get me out of their head.
What a pity.
:)
tay at 10:17PM on May 19th 2008
782. " I just checked the other blogs, and there is my name plastered all over them, and I haven't even posted there. Curious. "
Yeah, I saw the "Tay, I Wish You Peace \\\\\" name and that's what made me check here to see what he/she/it was posting. It's somebody who's gone off the deep end, I'm afraid, and is posting lots of weird shit to many people.
brandon at 10:23PM on May 19th 2008
783.
Is N E 1 out there?
tay at 2:21AM on May 20th 2008
784.
I get worried when things get a little crazy here.
I hope everything's OK.
Goodnight
:)
tay at 2:44AM on May 20th 2008
785. Yeah, well
fuck it and fuck you !!
mac at 10:53PM on Sep 12th 2008
786. Read this !!
When you think of me, and I hope you do, think of the good things.
Think closer, think Frank, think how we made each other feel, and how we could make each other feel.
Think of what might be good, instead of what might feel appropriate
I'll be seeing you in everything I do, everything I think....................
us at 6:27PM on Sep 24th 2008
787. OK,
If this is it....think of me.
Think of what could have been,
think of all that sin :-)
Think of what we could do,
fun nights, just me and you.
Fun days, lounging around,
you being beautiful, me being a clown.
Think hard ( I mean concetrate ;-)
together we could be great.
For a few weeks I'll hesitate,
if you agree we'll open heavens gate.
sorry if this is lame,
but....I can't play that game.
the one and only at 6:32PM on Sep 26th 2008
788.
( In a really bad Bogart impression)
We'll always have Paris, kid !
mac at 9:48PM on Oct 1st 2008
789.
Back again....checking...thinking, STILL thinking .....posting stuff noody sees?
or do they?
mac at 6:25PM on Oct 15th 2008
790.
NO ?
mac at 9:46AM on Oct 16th 2008
791.
Still here...checking...sometimes :-)
mac at 6:10PM on Oct 18th 2008
792.
back again.
Happy Halloween !
scary, aint it ?!!!!
mac at 12:54PM on Oct 31st 2008
793.
I still read this stuff.
mac at 11:53PM on Nov 22nd 2008
794.
Tht was a silly joke.
kinda like the one you played on me?
mac at 11:55PM on Nov 25th 2008
795. I just wanted to kiss you
To show you my love
That burns like sulphur
Within my heart
I just wanted to kiss you
To show you
That I am yours forever
And you are mine
I just wanted to kiss you
To placate our long friendship
To cement our union
There and then
I just wanted to kiss you
And touch your lovely chicks
I wanted to caress you
And feel your body
I just wanted to kiss you
And feel your tongue in my mouth
And mine in yours
The warmth
I just wanted to kiss you
To feel the tenderness
Of your soft lips
Against mine
I just wanted to kiss you
Because it felt right
It felt like the time to do so
It just felt right
I just wanted to kiss you
And put my loving arms around you
And feel your heartbeat
In a warm embrace
I just wanted to kiss you
To kiss you and kiss you
Because my lips were burning with desire
I just wanted to kiss you
mac at 8:15PM on Dec 11th 2008