Last night in Orange County I had one of my liveliest debates with atheist Christopher Hitchens and the Jewish radio host Dennis Prager. The debate--a sort of Christian-Atheist-Jew slugfest--was held at the Bat Yahm synagogue in Newport Beach. There was a sellout crowd of 1,500, with about 400 turned away.
The debate was unusual in that it involved not two but three different perspectives. Hitchens was particularly harsh in his exchanges with Prager, at one point accusing Prager of covering up for anti-Semitism. My exchanges with Hitchens were consistently sharp but also mutually respectful, and later Hitchens told me that I am one of the most formidable debaters that he has ever faced. I predict this debate will generate huge interest when it is posted on the web. After the debate Hitchens joined my wife and me at the bar where we downed two bottles of Pinot Noir and solved many of the world's problems.
Since our debate focused on God as understood from a Christian, Jewish and atheist perspective, missing from the event was a Muslim perspective. This is a pity, because one staple item of atheist rhetoric is the equation of Islamic extremism with Christianity. In my cross-examination I pressed Hitchens on this issue, and will let viewers watch our exchange for themselves and make up their own minds.
We find the equation between "Islamic fundamentalism" and "Christian fundamentalism" not only among the new atheists but also in the popular culture. Several weeks ago Christiane Amanpour of CNN did her special on "God's Warriors." The premise: The Abrahamic religions all lead to extremism. So Amanpour did three segments, one on Islamic extremism, one on Jewish extremism and one on Christian extremism.
Striking to the viewer, however, was the strained attempt to equate the three. Islamic extremism featured the 9/11 attacks, the Bali bombing, the London bombing, the Madrid bombing, and the list goes on. What about Christian extremism? Well, there was Christiane Amanpour in desperate search for the Christian Bin Laden, the Christian Al Qaeda, the Christian Hamas, the Christian Hezbollah, the Christian state currently run along the lines of post-Khomeini Iran.
Poor Christiane came up empty handed. So she was forced to locate marginal groups which would be repudiated by 99.9 percent of Christians and try to pass them off as the Christian equivalent of the Islamic radicals. I was especially interested to find out that there is an old guy in the hills of Montana who wants to blow up the world in the name of Jesus. Too bad he's broke and doesn't have any teeth. Still, one day he hopes to get a job and carry out his nefarious plans. I suppose this is the closest thing to a Christian Bin Laden. We are all supposed to be very afraid of this man!
One of the new atheists very cleverly termed 9/11 a "faith based initiative." But the witticism conceals an intellectual sleight-of-hand. Bush merely wants the government to be able to support faith-based charities on the same basis as it supports secular charities. What happened at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon seven years ago can hardly be placed in the same intellectual category.
Of late some of the new atheists are backing off from their fraudulent analogy between Islamic extremism and Christianity. This is a powerful blow to the new atheism, because so much of its relevance came from its ability to surf on the wave of current events and interpret modern terrorism as the expression of a generic religious impulse. In reality Bin Laden is more accurately compared to an atheist despot like Pol Pot. I realize the analogy is not entirely fair--to Bin Laden! After all, Bin Laden's death toll (several thousand killed over a dozen years) doesn't come closer to Pol Pot's 2 million killed in the space of three years.
Besides, Pol Pot was a Little League atheist compared to Mao and Stalin, whose death toll was in the tens of millions. When it comes to mass murder in the modern era, Islamic radicalism simply cannot keep up with atheism.



Reader Comments ( Page 7 of 54)
91. And the Soviet regime gave advancent and perks to party members that were not outwardly religious or church goers. The red corner in soviet homes (apartments) replaced the religious corners, icons were replaced by the soviet icons (pictures) of Stalin.
JefFlyingV at 9:58PM on May 2nd 2008
92. GHB post 76 and 78 - I believe you are wrong on both accounts. A Christian is clearly defined in the NT. Christianity began with the ministry of Jesus, His teachings, His death on the cross, burial, and resurrection. That is why we believe that we serve a risen Saviour. The living God of Abraham. The first Christian Church is mentioned in Acts. The RCC did not come into existence until 350 - 400 AD. The doctrines taught by the Apostles are the fundamental doctrines that all Christians should adhere to. The traditions we bring into the Church should not take away from these doctrines and beliefs. Therefore if anyone should turn from these teachings, they should call themselves whatever, but not Christians. Then deviate, live like hell, rape, pillage, and murder. But not in the name of Christ, because this is contradictory to a Christian lifestyle. Sure this won't make much difference to you or the unchurched, but there is a difference and it does make a difference to those who are truly trying to be Christ-like, hence Christian.
Man_in_Wilderness at 10:01PM on May 2nd 2008
93. Tay it seems the sweats made the choice.
JefFlyingV at 10:01PM on May 2nd 2008
94.
BTW
No one added me to the hug tally today.
tay at 10:08PM on May 2nd 2008
95.
I think it was the massage, and I'm just too weak to go change.
tay at 10:05PM on May 2nd 2008
96. Man, if you are Christ-like, you adhere to his teachings, you have never married, you do not have children, you drink wine sacramentally?
JefFlyingV at 10:09PM on May 2nd 2008
97. Way to go tay... relax and enjoy, I think your friend will understand and y'all both will enjoy the shopping... better quality time, if you ask me.
Man_in_Wilderness at 10:09PM on May 2nd 2008
98.
tay
I'm sitting here with my brown bitch. If you want we'll talk. I kinda miss our talks, you know when we just threw out nonsense( at least I did).
mac at 10:15PM on May 2nd 2008
99. No one added me to the hug tally today.
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I would, ...but that's how I get in trouble?
mac at 10:12PM on May 2nd 2008
100.
Hi mac
tay at 10:14PM on May 2nd 2008
101. My bitch, by the way, is a chocalate Lab. She says hi
mac at 10:16PM on May 2nd 2008
102. I type in a thousand things no one sees( except the bitch, and she doesn't read fast enough to comprehend). Sometimes, I forget to take the junk off before I really post.
mac at 10:19PM on May 2nd 2008
103. Jeff - What part of man's traditions should not take from the Apostolic Doctrines did you not understand? Not to mention what you are talking about is Catholic traditions, not Christianity. Many of the Apostles were married, and many references in the NT Churches record married couples. In 1 Timothy 3: goes on to tell us the qualification of a bishop as being the husband of one wife.
Man_in_Wilderness at 10:20PM on May 2nd 2008
104. things atheism is responsible for (according to Dinesh)...
The expulsion from the garden
The flood
The exctinction of the neanderthals
Sack of Troy
Punic Wars and the salting of Carthage (Cartago Delenda Est!!!)
Pompeii
Fall of Rome
Dark Ages
Atilla
Tours
all 16 Crusades
Reconquista
Black Plague
Red Plague
Islamic expansion
100 years wars
Seige of Vienna
Salem
The French and the Indians
Leopold in the Congo
WWI
WWII
The Holocaust
The bombing of the King David Hotel
Munich
Russian's in Afgahinstan
Serbia
Rawanda
Waco
Oklahoma City
Sarin in Tokyo
9/11
Sudan
Madrid
The Tube
Sectarian violence in Iraq
San Angelo
Ryan Anderson at 10:20PM on May 2nd 2008
105. BTW
I asked to be in the hug. I think Mokey has you down as nonconfirmed. Maybe he didn't want to impose his hug?
mac at 10:21PM on May 2nd 2008