According to the AFP, the California Supreme Court today overturned the ban on same-sex marriage, calling domestic partnerships a poor substitute for marriage:In an opinion that analysts say could have nationwide implications for the issue, the seven-member panel voted 4-3 in favor of plaintiffs who argued that restricting marriage to men and women was discriminatory.
There's a precedent for California starting a domino effect. David Cruz, a law professor at the University of Southern California and an expert in constitutional law, says in the AFP article:
"In the 20th century California was the first state to strike down laws against inter-racial marriage. They did that 19 years before the US Supreme Court got around to it."
So, soon (er, in 19 years) we could be a nation that grants gay couples the same rights as straight ones. How does it feel?
Reader Comments ( Page 1 of 9)
1. It doesn't bother me one bit. Last I checked, heterosexuals haven't done such a great job with marriage, with the divorce rate over 50%.
Where were the consrevatives in the 1970's and 1980's, when the divorce rate in this country skyrocketed? I will tell you - they cared not one bit. Only when gay folks started demanding equal rights did they start screaming about 'the sanctity of marriage.' Some would call that hypocritical - and they would be correct.
David S. at 6:25PM on May 15th 2008
2. This ruling is nonsensical, given what marriage is. Marriage is the legally binding life-long contract between two sexual partners that exists strictly because the sexual activity produces children who require long-range nurture and education.
America is full of idiots who don't even know what makes the "marriage" relationship distinct from all other human relationships. The procreation of the citizenry is what makes "marriage" unique among all human relationships. The long-range aspect of the "marriage contract" arises from the right children have to be nurtured into adulthood by the sexual partners that created them.
Likewise, the state has an interest in protecting and preserving the machinery that creates and nurtures the citizenry of which it is comprised.
preteristvision at 6:36PM on May 15th 2008
3. Go against what God says in His Book, the Bible - and prepare for the consequences
"Homosexuality is an abomination unto me, says the Lord".
jeannelash at 7:00PM on May 15th 2008
4. No one is talking about the fact that another judicial decision has overturned the will of the people in this country. We are headed in the wrong direction once again.
JIM at 7:01PM on May 15th 2008
5. children may or may not be involved in gay and straight marriage. Couples adopt, artificially or manually inseminate every day, gay or straight.
There also gay people who have children, and have partners who want to adopt. So, for the person who thinks gay marriage is unneccessary because gay couples don't have children, you are now informed that you are not clear on the concept. When you think about it, the kids are the ones who are punished when marriage is denied.
Thank you California Supreme Court!!!!!!!
doggbutt at 7:57PM on May 15th 2008
6. Why don't we just dissolve marriage completely?
Why don't we revert to savagery & totally do away with the accomplishments of human kind?
Let's quit being hypocritical & glamorize the virtues of homosexuality?
The only distinction in straight & gay marriage is that with two men who love each other they practice shoving their dicks in each other's ass. Oh my, that was harsh, wasn't it? It is indeed factual though, Will & Grace make you forget all that.
This indeed is truly the ONLY distinction between gay marriage & heterosexual marriage. If you agree with the reality of that distinction that a marriage without the possibility of conception between the two then your opinion of gay marriage or marriage in general might be acceptable.
Animals nurture their young everyday & very often the offspring are not biologically their own, does this constitute marriage or simply a partnership or relationship of nurturing? It wasn't enough that we all learned to tolerate gay relationships that got shoved down our throats, it had to come to this.
If this is progress in civilization then fast forward 100 yrs from now. Where will we truly be? Is a step like this truly necessary or merely an immoral victory of opposition to unknowingly reverse the true meaning of civilization? The answer is fundamental...
Bobby at 8:52PM on May 15th 2008
7. Yvette
There are sexual demons that are associated with people being Gay. A lot of times scientist and others do argue that it is because of an overlapping of the X or Y chromosome with the gender. While those sexual demons spirits enter the mothers womb through witchcraft/ voodoo encounters, lack of prayer etc. By just relying upon their intellect and the social world their become vain in their imagination and their foolish heart was darkened .Professing themselves to be wise,they became fools. Read Romans 1v18-32
Experiences with gay life in the church, and their surroundings. It is awful to imagine being in a church where human beings/youth have no one to talk to or any one to counsel them for that matter; but because they don’t have parents, siblings, or pastors but because what they are confronting is to severe. The struggle is too much for them. Which young adults in their right mind will come to a grown- up or even friends to tell them of their woes. Some of us church members are too judgmental, too prejudice or even have fear in regards to this issue let along helping a youngster get rid of this demon possession. < homosexuality> The question is, are we equipped to deal with this sort of problem? What about the suffering youth? How can we solve the problem? How can we tell the suffering youth that we can remedy the situation? Ad if there is no one available right now, where can they find the first aid kit to remedy this situation? Some of them goes so far as to think that they were born with this dis- ease , how can we show them different? Science tell them that there is an overlap with the x and y chromosome that can cause them to act as though, but we Christian know that Jesus can counteract the effect. There is hope in the Lord. The first one we usually blame we can’t find solutions to perplex problems is God. The enemy of our souls usually has us pinpoint to the creator in those difficult dilemmas just so we can forget who the father of destruction is and who cast him out and a third of his angels out from heaven for rebellious action. God is a God of love. He does not like destruction. He could of just wipe out Adam and Eve when they disobey. He could have even destroyed satan and the disobedient angels when they did not listen to heaven. However, for about 6,500 years The devil and his companies are still there vexing children, young adults, grown-up etc. He even went as far as trifling with Jesus while he was on earth. The fact is God could not want to punish us for wrong doing and know that some people are born with homosexuality and destroy them with out any notion of a cure, solution and warning. It is possible that I may not know all there is to know in regards to this sickness; however, there is a thus saith the Lord in the bible in regards to what can cause this state of sin sick soul. Let’s dive into the word of God for a moment to see what cause this abomination. Take your bible and let’s eat the word! What does the word of God tells us in Ezekiel, Ezekeiel 16:49-50 : "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom's sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; Ezekeiel 16:50 : the preceding verse describes Sodom's sins as pride, laziness, insensitivity to the needs of the poor, and haughtiness, verse 50 refers to the citizens of Sodom as having " committed abomination. was also used in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 to condemn same-sex activity between two males. occurred in Sodom, but it could have been gay sex. Now what were the sins of Sodom and Gomorrhah The people of Sodom: Engaged in consensual homosexual acts -- a same-sex orgy in this case. unlikely because Genesis 19:5 said that of Sodom formed the mob at Lot's house and demanded to "know" the angels. Keep on reading Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place . Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Having seen all these youngsters and any other person that might be going through that process, we now know and understand that we cannot give in nor trifle with that kind of dis-ease. Let us pray and consecrate our heart to the Lord. Fight the good fight of faith like word of God says in James5v14-16 (keep reading for your soul salvation) if any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:V15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up; if he have commited sins, they shall be forgiven him. V16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Jesus loves us with an everlasting love that’s the main reason for him to come and give his life as a ransom for many. For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son for whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have ever lasting life. Run to the Savior so you too can have the joy of eternal life so you don’t forfeit your grace I leave you with Jeremiah 31v3&4 Amen
God will prevail. satan knows. But God knows best. He is omniscient!
Watch out ! Genesis 19
Yvette R.
yvette at 8:58PM on May 15th 2008
8. Yvette R.
There are sexual demons that are associated with people being Gay. A lot of times scientist and others do argue that it is because of an overlapping of the X or Y chromosome with the gender. While those sexual demons spirits enter the mothers womb through witchcraft/ voodoo encounters, lack of prayer etc. By just relying upon their intellect and the social world their become vain in their imagination and their foolish heart was darkened .Professing themselves to be wise,they became fools. Read Romans 1v18-32
Experiences with gay life in the church, and their surroundings. It is awful to imagine being in a church where human beings/youth have no one to talk to or any one to counsel them for that matter; but because they don’t have parents, siblings, or pastors but because what they are confronting is to severe. The struggle is too much for them. Which young adults in their right mind will come to a grown- up or even friends to tell them of their woes. Some of us church members are too judgmental, too prejudice or even have fear in regards to this issue let along helping a youngster get rid of this demon possession. < homosexuality> The question is, are we equipped to deal with this sort of problem? What about the suffering youth? How can we solve the problem? How can we tell the suffering youth that we can remedy the situation? Ad if there is no one available right now, where can they find the first aid kit to remedy this situation? Some of them goes so far as to think that they were born with this dis- ease , how can we show them different? Science tell them that there is an overlap with the x and y chromosome that can cause them to act as though, but we Christian know that Jesus can counteract the effect. There is hope in the Lord. The first one we usually blame we can’t find solutions to perplex problems is God. The enemy of our souls usually has us pinpoint to the creator in those difficult dilemmas just so we can forget who the father of destruction is and who cast him out and a third of his angels out from heaven for rebellious action. God is a God of love. He does not like destruction. He could of just wipe out Adam and Eve when they disobey. He could have even destroyed satan and the disobedient angels when they did not listen to heaven. However, for about 6,500 years The devil and his companies are still there vexing children, young adults, grown-up etc. He even went as far as trifling with Jesus while he was on earth. The fact is God could not want to punish us for wrong doing and know that some people are born with homosexuality and destroy them with out any notion of a cure, solution and warning. It is possible that I may not know all there is to know in regards to this sickness; however, there is a thus saith the Lord in the bible in regards to what can cause this state of sin sick soul. Let’s dive into the word of God for a moment to see what cause this abomination. Take your bible and let’s eat the word! What does the word of God tells us in Ezekiel, Ezekeiel 16:49-50 : "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom's sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; Ezekeiel 16:50 : the preceding verse describes Sodom's sins as pride, laziness, insensitivity to the needs of the poor, and haughtiness, verse 50 refers to the citizens of Sodom as having " committed abomination. was also used in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 to condemn same-sex activity between two males. occurred in Sodom, but it could have been gay sex. Now what were the sins of Sodom and Gomorrhah The people of Sodom: Engaged in consensual homosexual acts -- a same-sex orgy in this case. unlikely because Genesis 19:5 said that of Sodom formed the mob at Lot's house and demanded to "know" the angels. Keep on reading Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place . Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Having seen all these youngsters and any other person that might be going through that process, we now know and understand that we cannot give in nor trifle with that kind of dis-ease. Let us pray and consecrate our heart to the Lord. Fight the good fight of faith like word of God says in James5v14-16 (keep reading for your soul salvation) if any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:V15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up; if he have commited sins, they shall be forgiven him. V16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Jesus loves us with an everlasting love that’s the main reason for him to come and give his life as a ransom for many. For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son for whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have ever lasting life. Run to the Savior so you too can have the joy of eternal life so you don’t forfeit your grace I leave you with Jeremiah 31v3&4 Amen
God will prevail. satan knows. But God knows best. He is omniscient!
Watch out ! Genesis 19
Yvette R.
yvette at 9:07PM on May 15th 2008
9. Yvette R.
There are sexual demons that are associated with people being Gay. A lot of times scientist and others do argue that it is because of an overlapping of the X or Y chromosome with the gender. While those sexual demons spirits enter the mothers womb through witchcraft/ voodoo encounters, lack of prayer etc. By just relying upon their intellect and the social world their become vain in their imagination and their foolish heart was darkened .Professing themselves to be wise,they became fools. Read Romans 1v18-32
Experiences with gay life in the church, and their surroundings. It is awful to imagine being in a church where human beings/youth have no one to talk to or any one to counsel them for that matter; but because they don’t have parents, siblings, or pastors but because what they are confronting is to severe. The struggle is too much for them. Which young adults in their right mind will come to a grown- up or even friends to tell them of their woes. Some of us church members are too judgmental, too prejudice or even have fear in regards to this issue let along helping a youngster get rid of this demon possession. < homosexuality> The question is, are we equipped to deal with this sort of problem? What about the suffering youth? How can we solve the problem? How can we tell the suffering youth that we can remedy the situation? Ad if there is no one available right now, where can they find the first aid kit to remedy this situation? Some of them goes so far as to think that they were born with this dis- ease , how can we show them different? Science tell them that there is an overlap with the x and y chromosome that can cause them to act as though, but we Christian know that Jesus can counteract the effect. There is hope in the Lord. The first one we usually blame we can’t find solutions to perplex problems is God. The enemy of our souls usually has us pinpoint to the creator in those difficult dilemmas just so we can forget who the father of destruction is and who cast him out and a third of his angels out from heaven for rebellious action. God is a God of love. He does not like destruction. He could of just wipe out Adam and Eve when they disobey. He could have even destroyed satan and the disobedient angels when they did not listen to heaven. However, for about 6,500 years The devil and his companies are still there vexing children, young adults, grown-up etc. He even went as far as trifling with Jesus while he was on earth. The fact is God could not want to punish us for wrong doing and know that some people are born with homosexuality and destroy them with out any notion of a cure, solution and warning. It is possible that I may not know all there is to know in regards to this sickness; however, there is a thus saith the Lord in the bible in regards to what can cause this state of sin sick soul. Let’s dive into the word of God for a moment to see what cause this abomination. Take your bible and let’s eat the word! What does the word of God tells us in Ezekiel, Ezekeiel 16:49-50 : "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom's sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; Ezekeiel 16:50 : the preceding verse describes Sodom's sins as pride, laziness, insensitivity to the needs of the poor, and haughtiness, verse 50 refers to the citizens of Sodom as having " committed abomination. was also used in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 to condemn same-sex activity between two males. occurred in Sodom, but it could have been gay sex. Now what were the sins of Sodom and Gomorrhah The people of Sodom: Engaged in consensual homosexual acts -- a same-sex orgy in this case. unlikely because Genesis 19:5 said that of Sodom formed the mob at Lot's house and demanded to "know" the angels. Keep on reading Genesis 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; Genesis 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. Genesis 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: Genesis 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. Genesis 19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, Genesis 19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Genesis 19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. Genesis 19:9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. Genesis 19:11 And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. Genesis 19:12 And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place . Genesis 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Leviticus 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Timothy 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1 Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; Having seen all these youngsters and any other person that might be going through that process, we now know and understand that we cannot give in nor trifle with that kind of dis-ease. Let us pray and consecrate our heart to the Lord. Fight the good fight of faith like word of God says in James5v14-16 (keep reading for your soul salvation) if any sick among you? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:V15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick and the Lord shall raise him up; if he have commited sins, they shall be forgiven him. V16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. Jesus loves us with an everlasting love that’s the main reason for him to come and give his life as a ransom for many. For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son for whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but shall have ever lasting life. Run to the Savior so you too can have the joy of eternal life so you don’t forfeit your grace I leave you with Jeremiah 31v3&4 Amen
God will prevail. satan knows. But God knows best. He is omniscient!
Watch out ! Genesis 19
Yvette . R
yvette at 9:09PM on May 15th 2008
10. Okay, let's break this down, shall we?
1) GAY PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE CHILDREN. Well, guess what? Lots of kids are raised by gay families, and not allowing these parents to marry destabilizes these families by not allowing parents over 1,000 rights that heterosexual parents enjoy.
2) MARRIAGE EXISTS SOLELY FOR PARENTS. Um ... do all straight marriages result in children? Thought not.
3) HOMOSEXUALITY IS DEPRAVED AND IMMORAL. In truth, homosexuality exists in nearly every observable animal species on earth, usually when said species are overpopulated. The only problems that gay and lesbian people face that are not shared by straight people are the challenges of living in a heterosexist society.
4) ROME FELL BECAUSE OF GAY PEOPLE. No, Rome fell because Julius Caesar saw fit to rob the democratically elected Senate of all real power, beginning a line of dictators-for-life while pretending that it was still a republic. A certain "Decider" who decided that Habeus Corpus and the U.S. Constitution were inconvenient piffle and who believes that God chose him to be President is a lot more akin to Caligula than any gay person I've ever met.
5) CHILDREN WILL BECOME GAY IF PRESENTED WITH GAY ROLE MODELS. Actually, some of them will grow up to be gay even if raised in seemingly 100% heterosexual environments. About 10 percent of them, to be precise. And most kids raised by gay parents turn out to be straight -- about 90 percent of them, actually. Hm.
Trixie Schizo at 9:09PM on May 15th 2008
11. How dare all of you people who disagree. Not to say you don't have your own right to an opinion, but do give some better reason than a fear of religion, "barbarism," and procreation.
First of all, there is a reason this country allows for a separation between Church and State. One religion cannot rule over a country in which so many people's beliefs differ. To decide in favor of a one-sided bias is ridiculous. No one is telling people that they must be gay, but there are those who tell them they can't. Does that change the fact that they are? No. Not at all. That's like saying that if you tell people that they can't be obese they suddenly won't be. It's not going to happen.
As far as barbarism goes, is not a country so afraid of accepting a person's decision far more barbaric than one that is? If not barbaric then certainly it is tyrannical. And does are population truly seem so close to shrinking? We should have little to fear as far as population. The world society today is not so primitive as to allow a general overtaking of a great world power. Many same-sex marriages include children, they just don't include heterosexual relations.
That brings me to the procreation argument. When are people going to accept the fact that intercourse is not just about procreation anymore. Heaven forbid that fact gets out to the youth(not that they haven't already figured it out). Perhaps that is the reason is does not seem to be spoken above a whisper.
But overall, is this not yet another civil rights movement? When are the conservative people of this country going to realize that change cannot be held off, that change is going to happen, that there is nothing to be done about it? The world goes on, without revolving around a book rewritten countless times. The world goes on, without the need for thousands upon thousands of children to be born every moment. The world goes on, without the Christian getting every demand they pound out. The world will go on without anyone, and it will continue to grant the change that will protect out country's freedoms.
Cass D. at 9:11PM on May 15th 2008
12. Oh, and Yvette? You forgot to take your meds, sweetie.
Trixie Schizo at 9:11PM on May 15th 2008
13. Huzzah for California. It's about time. There's going to be some serious partying in West Hollywood, I can imagine.
Joking aside, this is a step in the right direction. Since marriage is a LEGAL action, and the government is not CONTROLLED BY ANY CHURCH, religious views should have no grounds on whether or not gay marriage is legal.
How many more states to go? 48?
Strados at 9:38PM on May 15th 2008
14. """University of Southern California and an expert in constitutional law"""....
There are no "experts" at USC Ada. All the experts are at UCLA.
Willet at 9:40PM on May 15th 2008
15. It thoroughly amuses me when people complain about how our civilization is going to "die out any day now" because "we allow gay people to exist". Homosexuality has existed for as long as the human race has existed. Yet, somehow, magically we have 6,000,000,000+ humans on the planet currently (that's not a small number, people).
"America is full of idiots who don't even know what makes the "marriage" relationship distinct from all other human relationships. The procreation of the citizenry is what makes "marriage" unique among all human relationships." (from post #3)
So what you're saying is people who choose not to procreate, or cannot procreate, shouldn't be allowed to be married then, because it's not resulting in children?
Oh, and you morons that think ancient civilizations that fell were due to homosexuality need to read a real history book sometime. Your pastor doesn't know what he is talking about, sorry.
If you need a great example of a more recent civilization that fell with homosexuality having >ZERO< to do with it, look at the continent we currently populate. Christians came over here, and gave diseases to native Americans, and the ones that didn't die were enslaved and butchered, all in the name of the "loving God" that so many of you worship, and of course, a big side order of "manifest destiny".
Most of the civilizations throughout history that died out were because a stronger neighboring barbarian tribe wiped them out, not because of homosexual relationships.
Oh, and before you idiots spout out about the mythical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, you need to reread your bibles (without your bigot pastors there to make sure you ONLY understand it from his perspective) and see the actual reason that those fairytale cities were supposedly destroyed. It had everything to do with people in general treating everyone badly.
Two thumbs up to the justices overturning discriminatory laws, just like they did with segregation and interracial marriage laws.
As someone wrote into my local paper about a few days ago concerning marriage laws in my state: "Democracy needs to be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner." Social equality ultimately must prevail if we are to survive as a nation.
I suggest you read up a bit about The Netherlands region as well if you think a society accepting of homosexuality will go down in flames. They are a perfect modern example of how people can peacefully coexist, and be happy, even with those "evil gays" actually having rights.
zatheus at 9:43PM on May 15th 2008