61. Reread my page one post:
I said that Obama avoided respecting Clinton with the apology she deserved FROM HIM when one of his MANY nasty racist and misogynistic surrogates ("Priest" Pfleger) mocked Clinton in Obama’s THEN church.
I said Obama's surrogates, supporters, and press sycophants have been the ones to insult Hillary and her supporters directly, as evidenced by months on this blog, on TV, and everywhere in the "free" press.

Obama is savvy enough to let others do most of his dirty work. He is the consummate politician, an excellent parser, dirty-deal maker, behind the scenes maneuver-er (just ask the guy who tried to run against him in Chicago who was knocked off the ballot).


He keeps those privileged hands clean.

But just remember all you over-educated Hillary Haters,
as the fabulous Duke Ellington wrote:
"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!"

swingin in the rain at 1:43AM on Jun 5th 2008

62. Patty

You missed post #53 he used term fascism in his attack on a group.

Oh, forgot, it is ok with you to call someone a fascist or a use fascism when talking about other who do not agree with you. But if they agree with Patty, they can use term Fascist/fascism when attacking others who disagree

Robert OKane at 2:00AM on Jun 5th 2008

63. unfortunately hillary is tactless and classless..
she has changed the goal post so many times, and everyone gave it to her out of deference (because she was the 1st lady).....but obama has won fair and square, he got the most delegates, wasn't she the one who said, whomever got the most delegates was the nominee ???? well here we are, with a nominee, now she wants to suspend her campaign and go to the convetion with her supporters....i really think that she thinks that somehow obama's campaigan will implode and then she can come in and take over, or some horrible event will occur to obama, and then she will win because she did not quit, and she will be able to step in....she somehow thinks that she deserves to be queen, and some young upstart black man stole her thunder.....i expected more CLASS from a former 1st lady.....

dottie moya at 3:17AM on Jun 5th 2008

64. Hillary waiting on Rezko Trial outcome.

Guilty. A big fundraiser of Obama's and business associate of Obama's, Tony Rezko, also someone born in Syria and a citizen of that country, was found guilty of 16 counts of corruption. Arab?

Chicago Democrat Politics, aka "Pay to Play", is what Obama is part of. Is Father Pfleger just a small picture of Pay to Play in Obama's past? Pfleger had donated over $1500 to Obama's campaign's. Pfleger supported Obama from the church pulpit. Pfleger staged that vicious sexist attack against Hillary Clinton from a church pulpit at Obama's church. Obama got Pfleger $225000 in State Grants and $100000 in Federal Money/$325000 Obama got for Pfleger in Grants-Pay to Play? Obama's chief political advisor,David Axelrod,serves on finance committee of Father Fleger's church and is in process of raising 1 million dollars to repair the church. Pay to Play Politics? Shady real estate deals between Obama and Rezko-Pay to Play politics?

Rezko-will he roll over on Obama to lighten his jail time?????

Do not quit Hillary-your team was right about Rezko trial months ago.

Robert OKane at 2:01AM on Jun 5th 2008

65. Robert, your growing paranoia is something to behold.

So what your're really sayihg is that Rezko is a Muslim, and you're scared to death of Muslims.

Are you seriously contending that Pfleger personally enriched himself? I note that you put, "Priest" in quotation marks. More of your paranoia. He is a Catholic priest. Are you saying that he is corrupt? Is this some Catholic plot?

And you have some evidence that raising money for church repairs is corrupt? What, specifically are you alledging? Sounds like something an accountant could clear up, right?

I think you'll end up blaming Obama for the fact that you have NOTHING but innuendo. You'll wonder why nobody is as excited about it as you are. You'll attribute it to Obama's evil genius.

Captain Negative at 2:42AM on Jun 5th 2008

66. WITHOUT HILLARY ON THE TICKET, NOBAMA CAN NOT WIN THE ELECTION. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. IT'S THE SAME AS AIR AMERICA TRYING TO SURVIVE WITHOUT SPONSORS. OOOOPPPSSS,,THAT ALREADY HAPPENED. LOLLLLLLLLLLLL

POLITICAL SPIT at 3:20AM on Jun 5th 2008

67. CN I thought even you were not that stupid to see what I said is that Tony Rezko was born in Syria and is a citizen of that country, an Arab. ARAB-not Muslim-got it?????????

Father Pfleger-so much of this one hands washes the other, so I raise the question, is the Pfleger-Obama-Axelrod part of the corrupt Democratic City of Chicago "Pay to Play" Politics.

Since you question these connections, here is another.How does a snob Bitch named Michelle get a $400,000 a year job at a Hospital in Chicago? Tony Rezko got another crook as Stuart Levine a big job on the State Board that decided which hospitals got built in in Illinois. Michelle who got into Princeton on the Affirmative Action Porgram and not her grades, also got this $400000 a year job at a Chicago Hospital thanks to Rezko-Levine connection and the friendship of Obama and Rezko.

Very interesting. Pay and Play Politics?

Robert OKane at 5:16AM on Jun 5th 2008

68. 62. Patty

You missed post #53 he used term fascism in his attack on a group.

Oh, forgot, it is ok with you to call someone a fascist or a use fascism when talking about other who do not agree with you. But if they agree with Patty, they can use term Fascist/fascism when attacking others who disagree
Robert OKane at 2:00AM on Jun 5th 2008
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Dear Mr. Okane,

It is appropriate to use those terms to describe a group of people who fallow this philosophy; I believe that I have never attacked anyone that does not think like me, I have merely corrected those such as you, when mischaracterizing the term fascist.

Furthermore, Mr. Okane, you sir are the one who is constantly attacking others and continues to not fully understand the meaning of fascist/fascism. Do not be angry with me because you refuse to understand and grasp the definition of a fascist. Believe me sir, I do understand what it is you continue to try to do, however, I find it rather amusing to ready your post, if we substitute my name for yours it would make a heck of a lot more sense.

I can truly appreciate your determination regardless of how misplaced it is. Just keep on keeping on Mr. Okane, maybe one of these days someone will fall for your obvious mischievous way to convince others who do not know better.

Now I wish you a glorious day, peace out!

X0X0

Patty at 12:54PM on Jun 5th 2008

69. Ahh Clif I see your still stuck with good ol "neocon fascism". Spoken like a true far lefty. How is that working for ya?

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Well, so far, it's given us a party nominee that hasn't begun campaigning and is already ahead of McSame.

According to polls, over 80% of our nation is now 'far lefty' in that they acknowledge several key things: a) the country is headed in the wrong economic direction b) the war was unnecessary and c) the president is a douchebag.

I'm glad to have an opportunity to educate you on fascism since it's usually completely misunderstood.

I'm taking the positions as they're described in Gentile and Mussolini's 1932 Doctrine of Fascism, the manifesto of the political philosophy. Some of you will dissociate what I'm writing since your heads would explode if you didn't filter the truth through the heritage foundation, but some of you are rightly fed up with libertarianism and the resulting fascism that has inevitably arisen from the unregulated capitalism that is the fundament of the republicanist party.

This is not Eisenhower's Republican party, this is the Republicanist party and it is steeped in fascistic principles that were wholly repugnant to Eisenhower but not so much to George Bush's grandfather.

It is safe to say based on prima facie evidence from this country's history since 1980 that libertarianism has resulted in an ever more corporatized and despotic country, and that civil rights have eroded to an unimaginable point at the same time. Also it's resulted in a massive and unlawful redistribution of wealth.

I hear *repeated* key statements from Obama regarding reinstituting regulation of corporations to align their interests with those of America and Americans and our nation's security, and that's why I'm voting for him.

Libertarianism and national security don't mix.

I heard the same regarding reinforcement of regulation of corporations from John Edwards, and I'm fairly certain he'll be our next Attorney General.

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Set up camp in your underground bunker yet?

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Cute rhetoric, but mcsame is the warmonger. First, he misunderstands negotiation either out of deviousness or dementia and and second, his only solution to anything is to wage war - that's where he's at on Korea and Iran and you know it. Except for where he's trying to imitate Obama to pander to independents, he's in lockstep with the bush family interests.

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You might better clify I hear Hillary and her 17 million are going to make sure we keep the tradition of not having a far lefty in the big house.

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You hear stuff like that from foxnews and homer simpbaugh. They're one trick ponies.

You are still thinking like a republicanist dupe. The mainstream thinking of Kennedy and Eisenhower never was 'lefty', just rebadged that by fascist leaning republicanists.

That's just how far out of touch you can get by sucking foxfart. Republicanist registration at this moment is 27% of all registered voters.

While you're in denial about that, the new democrats, millions of them how were repulsed by your party's lack of Americanism will be voting to haul this country out of 1932 Europe and 1755 England and the 2000 bce Chaldean Empire and back to hopefully at least 1961 - maybe even more.

Hillary as we all know will endorse obama this saturday and the democratic party is in line to pick up at least 9 senate seats and probably many more HR seats.

As you are still in denial about, the rove politics for dummies has pretty much blown up in your collective faces.

If you try republicanist tactics against a man who is obviously appealing to the mainstream sensibilities in both parties, you'll get what the Clinton campaign got.

People aren't anywhere nearly as stupid as your post implies. Maybe you are, but it's by choice, and you have one this year. I'd suggest you drop the poopyhead rhetoric and educate yourself as to why you repeatedly vote against your own self interest.

You're still being chumped, but this year, I believe republicanist chumps are going to be in a distinct minority. People are smarter than that and Obama is usually the smartest guy in the room, not to mention the collected one with specifics for solutions, not generalities like Mcsame. If you actually listened to him, you'd hear that. I do and so do way more than 17 million voters. You have no idea what the caucus states hold, and you might consider that Obama is now AHEAD of hilary in support (before she quit) in BOTH New York and California.

This is still a very united party.

We just had an excess of talent this year where you had mcsame, jesus h. huckaby and mittens, the peoples elitist billionaire with magic underwear who ain't afraid to get down with the negroes and burst a movement.

You got the dregs and mcsame's the best you could filter out, in case you forgot.

Now, about fascism. There are several danger signs. First, when corporations aren't regulated and can merge with impunity, their lobbying power becomes sufficient that they change the law to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Constructively they begin to govern.

Libertarianism demands a weak small central government. This has never happened in a republicanist regime. Each is bigger than anything else before it. What actually shrinks is accountability. Government gets bigger and the boundary between government, church and corporate holdings becomes murkier as we've seen happen here.

Under merger of corporation and state, mussolini adds that the church should be strong. Guess who wants to repeal Everson v. Board Of Education, the controlling cite for separation?

Mussolini says that he opposes socialism because of the class struggle that results from the state owning all property. He wants private ownership.

He also opposed liberalism of the 19th century which preached humanitarianism and resulted in a stronger middle class. He believed the citizen existed to serve the state and for no other reason. He probably got that from Rome.

We've seen the disappearance of habeas corpus and the bill of rights, they're pushing to outlaw tort litigation against corporations, any corporation can seize your property if they can make it a better tax base, and you can't really file for bankruptcy anymore.

Soon, fertility will be controlled by the state as well as women since roe v. wade is scheduled by mcsame for the trash heap.

This is all creeping fascism, and it's resulted of course in the largest government in history, the largest debt in history and finally a jingoist expansionist foreign policy that has made us hated around the world.

These are all outlined in the Doctrine of Fascism and reflected at the website for the project for the new american century, or penis.

This november you can vote for WWIII, foreign ownership of american infrastructure, more money borrowed from the communists, more jobs outsourced, triple costs on healthcare and higher education, 100 years of Iraqi occupation, less life expectancy, less literacy, less quality of life, more export of raw materials and on and on ad nauseum, OR

You can do the right thing for once and vote for a statesman and a leader and American principles, not failed European ones.

Remember this guy overcame being half black and at the FIRST opportunity beat the thirty year-old Clinton machine! He's kept it above board and will continue to do so, since all he has to do is reveal mcsame for what he's been the past thirty years, a party lackey and stooge.

My words, not Obama's, but mcsame is a terrible flipflopper and was for everything before he was against it. This brings his competence fairly into question as does his apparent cursory understanding of the Iraqi occupation.

So for the first time since the sixties, you have a choice. I know you're going to blow it because you're pretty close to being brainwashed, but any way you count it, you're in the minority - a right wing wacko, like mcsame and the bush dynasty.




But hey clify don't worry ol buddy consider it job security you can keep the "neocon fascism" fight going for another four years.

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Whatever that meant to you, it was gibberish to me. You have a choice. Do some real political thinking and consider consequences for once. You have the history of this country since 1980 to guide you. You would have been considered a reactionary loony during most of my life.

As they said before, the times, they are a changin'.....again.

Clif Kuplen at 1:25PM on Jun 5th 2008

70. Seriously Clif all of that for what? Your credibility just went to shit when you started the whole "united party" thing. No one will believe that but clify. Then you had to go on with the 80% being far left. No silly you meant to say that 80% wanted the war to end right? And how has that economy been doing the last seven years? And how is that Dem controlled congress approval rating going again? And of course you always have to end with the "go educate yourself" "Fox" rhetoric. Come on clify you have to use a different tactic people stop reading right after the "fascism" and "neocon" "gibberish". By the way you knew what I meant about job security clify, hell you have been ranting about "neocon fascism" for the past seven years I am sure so you will have four more after November. Keep the good fight going clify, time for some Fox news that ol pesky neocon station, oh look there is Obama on Fox traitor!!!

silly far lefties at 1:53PM on Jun 5th 2008

71. Robert Okane tries to SQUIRM out from under his fear of Muslims by imagining that, "Arabs" are not Muslims.

But if Robert Okane wants to talk about, "Arabs," he should look at the connection between the Bush Organized Crime Family and the Royal House of Saud.

Robert, your descent into madness is amusing.

Captain Negative at 2:09PM on Jun 5th 2008

72. silly,

81% believe that the illegal Bush-Cheney Junta has taken America in the wrong direction. That makes you a 19 per center.

73% disapprove of george bush.

Wake up! Hate radio is putting you to sleep.

Captain Negative at 2:14PM on Jun 5th 2008

73. CN the pea brain-All Arabs are not Muslims. Hard for a pea brain to figure that out or look it up.

Tony Rezko birth does not get the attention of the press as does Obama's birth and his parents.

Tony Rezko was born is Syria of ChristianCatholic parents. So Rezko is not a Muslim by birth as is Obama. Now that was not to hard.

Understand it yet. I called Rezko an Arab because the most complete info I could find so far is his parents are Christians/Catholic, so Rezko is an Arab.

Got it now?????????????????? I doubt it.

Royal Family of Saud and Bush-CN Bush is not running for President pea brain-I did not vote for Bush, remember pea brain. I am more interested in the criminal connections that Obama had and the numerous deals he was involved in with those criminal. Also the many Muslims ties that Obama keeps. Aslo the many anti Israel ties that Obama keeps. Got it yet pea brain. I have no interest in the House of Saud unless it is tied to someone running for President now.

Robert OKane at 4:36PM on Jun 5th 2008

74. 70, you are the poster child for what doesn't work anymore. You're making things exceptionally easy for patriotic Americans since you're essentially thoughtless unless you get it from a homer simpbaugh type.

I posted some warning signs for fascism and some very accurate characterizations of mcsame and the republicanists.

Are you too simple minded to even address them? Try some research, maybe and shut off foxfart and michael weiner savage and it's possible you'll get your political awareness out of the fourth grade.

I'm game for discussion of issues as I posted them or my contention that the republicanist party is fascist and has been for some time.

Have somebody explain what I wrote to you and try again, maybe, or get a dictionary and read it all again yourself if you think you're up for it.

Can you think? Do you know if you can? Hell, give it a shot - whattya have to lose?

Clif Kuplen at 5:35PM on Jun 5th 2008

75. Robert, unlike Obama, you have no charisma at all.

Captain Negative at 5:49PM on Jun 5th 2008