31. emelpe seriously?

Doug M at 1:35PM on Jun 10th 2008

32. emelpe : Yes, that would be grounds for impeachment! However, I am old fashoned enough to demand proof that he lied. As of today, I have not seen any credible evidence to support those charges. Of course, as an attorney and former administrative law judge, I might not be expected to know anything about evidence (snark report) and should defer to your superior knowledge. Please provide me with evidence not opinion.

longwalker at 1:42PM on Jun 10th 2008

33. have you ever seen that morning show? it's insulting to anyone with an IQ over 70. what
more "secrets signs" are there out there?

laura montanese at 1:43PM on Jun 10th 2008

34. Boy Cenk, that's great. So it's called a "POUND". Thank God we have you around Cenk as we journey through the hood with the Obamas.

IRONBLUEEYES at 1:48PM on Jun 10th 2008

35. I was afraid the fist bump was something Barack did with Larry Sinclair in the limo.

Davidg at 1:51PM on Jun 10th 2008

36. Think:

I was under no obligation to answer your question (since my response was directed to Vet2)

Of course, then you couldn’t stop yourself from chiming in with your bull**** about blacks of being racist for voting for Obama, then have the nerve, after making such a charge, to say that I am offering "personal attacks."

Between all that drinking and your steady diet of FOX News, it’s a wonder you have half a brain cell to work with. However, had you shut off FOX and put the bottle down long enough to rustle up some brain cells, you would have determined that my previous response serves as an answer to your silly question.

To you I ask: are blacks supposed to vote for the candidate of YOUR choice? And, if not, then that means they are racist?

It’s simple (even for you): If you want to call blacks who vote for Obama racist then I’ll take the position that white W. Virginians who voted against Obama due to his race certainly deserve the label “inbred hillbillies.”

Remember, it was widely reported that many W. Virginians openly stated they voted against Barack for no reason other than his race. What do you call those types of people; Rhodes Scholars? You already know what I call them, but if that’s too harsh a term, how about I call them ignorant rednecks? Feel better now?

While I have heard many white males say they reject Hillary because of her gender, (you’ve seen the “Hillary, Iron My Shirt” placards). I have yet to hear any blacks say they voted against Hillary simply because she’s white

Meanwhile, before you decide to hop on the “blacks who vote for Obama are racist” bandwagon, you might want to take into consideration the fact that blacks have voted for white candidates ever since they got the vote. Anybody with any kind of sense would be able to figure out why they are taking advantage of the opportunity to vote for a qualified black candidate after having voted, year in and year out, for white ones.

As for my FOX news comment, your statement reflects the backwater thinking characteristic of FOX news junkies. (You STILL think Iraq is responsible for the 911 attacks, don't you? And I'm sure you heard it on FOX first, that WMD have been found in Iraq, right?)

Again, don't Drink and write. Just take another swig and nod off on FOX.

non_prophet at 1:58PM on Jun 10th 2008

37. I don't understand why it is all of a sudden the Dems fault going into war? They voted "Yes" going by the phony evidence bush put in front of them. How many Republicans wanted to vote "No" but followed the crowd and voted "Yes"? Everyone was misled by bush, even bush says he was misled by the CIA so, it's really the CIA's fault we went to war. But wait a miniute, didn't the CIA say they were just following orders led by bush. Sounds like one big circle
I'm on too much pain medication for you guys to confuse me. Did someone at FOX news call it a "Terrorists Bump"

David Rosenberg at 1:15PM on Jun 11th 2008

38. Friday, June 20th, Scott McClellan will testify UNDER OATH before Congress. He will be asked to specifically address the following...

1.What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney and key administration officials take in the effort to reveal the identity of covert CIA agent Valeria Plame Wilson - thus destroying her network and putting lives in jeopardy?

2.What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and key administration officials take regarding the firing of U.S. Attorneys for political reasons?

3.What role did President Bush, Vice President Cheney, key administration officials take in conspiring to blatantly break U.S. and International laws prohibiting the use of torture?
Captain Negative at 4:13AM on Jun 10th 2008

Dear Captain

I am certain this news regarding Scotty, makes you just as gleeful as it does me. I recall not too long ago one of our dear friends from the right, wishing me luck with these very subjects. I do not think luck is really, what we need at this time, what we are in dire need of us citizens finally doing the correct thing and stepping up. I am not a fan of Scotty; however, at this time the man seems to show more guts and patriotism than the parasites he once worked for in the White House.

As for the noise box AKA Fox the pretend network, they are so incredibly ridiculous that why even bother insulting them. That is giving them an acknowledgement they do not deserve. What we should be doing is asking Rupert if he could explain to us how he concluded that invading Iraq would allow us to pay $20 a barrel for oil. Did he think of it all on his own or did Dick instruct him to report that bit of good journalism?

Furthermore, I bid you a GREAT DAY Captain and thumb’s up!

Patty at 2:24PM on Jun 10th 2008

39. "nun prophet"
After your first paragraph I stoppped reading your pitiful orgy of whatever that was. It is a shame that you cannot be mature and address someone in a grown up manner. Your only rebutle is to resort to personal attacks, which like I said ruins your credibility. Do you realize how that makes you look to everyone by using judging statements, and speaking in a condescending way to people. All emotion and no substance. So just for curiousity why always the "fox news" innuendos? Does this make you feel superior to "grouping" everyone that watches Fox news as "backwater thinkers". So again you lecture someone about race, but then turn around and call millions of Fox watchers "backwater thinkers". You assume so much don't you?

Think before you write at 2:29PM on Jun 10th 2008

40. Actually,at the beginning of the campaign,
most blacks supported Hilary over Obama.

Blacks really didn't start supporting Obama
until they saw that he was a viable candidate.

That and a few seemingly racist comments from
the Clinton staff.

BOB JOHNSON at 2:32PM on Jun 10th 2008

41. Patty : Answer for question one : None, Richard Armitage of the State Department is the person who told Robert Woodward and Robert Nowack about Ms. Plame and the CIA.

Answer for question two : All U.S. Attorneys are hired and fired for political reasons. So what? Clinton fired 92 and Bush fired 7.

Answer to question three : What evidence is there that there was a conspiracy to break Federal and/or International laws reqarding torture. Attempting to determine what the laws actually are is a proper government function.

longwalker at 2:41PM on Jun 10th 2008

42. THINK,

You said that after my first paragraph, you stopped reading. That’s your problem – you don’t read enough.

Plus, you can dish it, but can't take it. Don't support an ignorant premise (blacks who vote for Obama are racist) -- itself a personal attack -- and then whine about personal attacks when you get called on it.

If you want to have a civil discussion on the pros and cons of that premise fine, let's do it. But this is a two-way street. If you would like to explain your rationale for that position in a civil manner I will respond without insult.

Bob Johnson's comment was spot on. Blacks have always been solid Hillary supporters (she's white, by the way) until Bubba got all stupid with the innuendos and code words, and until after Barack's viability was established.

So why not put an end to the asinine presumption that black Obama supporters are racist and begin with a race-neutral discussion about his qualifications or lack thereof. Remember, just because Obama's black, doesn't mean he is not qualified.

People who ignore this fact and instead leap to the senseless conclusion that blacks who vote for Obama do so out of racism, as I said earlier, only reveal their own racism.

non_prophet at 3:02PM on Jun 10th 2008

43. 26. Captain Negative : Can you please tell me when the hiring and firing of U. S. Attorneys was not done for "political reasons." U. S.

xxxx

easy. If you're an attorney no one should have to tell you this either, since it's black and white history.

It was 'not done' AFTER the attorneys were replaced at the beginning of the incoming administration of every president except the one you're playing mouthpiece for.

Before Bush, no one was evaluated for his political performance in aid of the perpetual republicanist reelection campaign.

Bush was first and it's a horrible abuse of our legal system for political gain. You may have noticed that they were obliged to replace the attorney general and the issue is far from settled.

Given the repubicanist openness to corporate lobbying it is certainly a gateway to more fascistic privatization of government if corporate money determines appointments of US attorneys.

You're going to be hearing more about that from Scott McClellan, I expect.

In this case as you have conveniently dissembled or perhaps just omitted in error, the attorneys were part of the republicanist campaign and agenda.

Only one was reportedly fired for legitimate purposes; the remaining offenders were fired for not adhering to an agenda that passed over republican felonious behavior in favor of manufacturing 'voter fraud' (not election fraud) an alleged practice that is wholly unsupported by any admissable evidence.

Your clients are also guilty of caging as admitted by Monica Goodling in an open hearing.

In case you were unaware, this practice is unlawful and the republican party has in fact been warned before; they have been under district court order to cease the practice since around 1980, and I think in more than one court.

As to impeachable offenses, we have no case law standard for High Crime and Misdemeanors since both tried so far have been acquitted, but like Bad Faith, most people are likely to recognize it when it happens.

I'd expect a mouthpiece for republicanists to challenge the validity of evidence or they'd be lousy at their job, but to many the standard of beyond reasonable doubt and the lesser civil standard of preponderance of evidence have both been easily met or surpassed.

For the ordinary reasonable person, the behavior of the accused in the wake of the accusations is a tacet encyclopedia of malfeasance, the stuff of whicht high crimes and misdemeanors at least ought to be made of in absence of a precedent.



Attorneys, like almost all government appointees serve at the pleasure of the President. That is why the Republicans made no fuss when newly elected President William Jefferson Clinton fired all ninety-two U. S. Attorneys in 1992.

xxxx

Wrong. They didn't complain because he did the same thing every other president had done. This president was different as you've missed twice now.


On what planet were you living on prior to President George Walker Bush firing those seven U. S. Attorneys?

xxx

In my case, this one. GHWB did NOT replace attorneys later in his term after evaluating their capacity and willingness to politically accomodate.

That is an invention of the bush regime as you most certainly know but will not admit.


Or were you residing in an alternate universe where politics is unknown?

xxxx

Perhaps you were on an excursion to Dissembly World yourself, Perry...

But hey, ya got us on the terrorist fist jabs, though. Be proud you're on the same team!

Clif Kuplen at 3:02PM on Jun 10th 2008

44. Longwalker,It is a long tradition to replace
US prosecutors at the beginning of a Presidency.

GWB also did this at the beginning of his
Presidency.

The 7 prosecutors you are referring to were
republicans, most, or all of whom were appointed
by GWB.

It was only after they wouldn't go after Dem
politcos with bogus charges or otherwise not
marching in step with the bush regime policies,
that they were fired.

I'm pretty sure you know all of this,but you prefer to continue spreading the BS.

Bob Johnson at 3:02PM on Jun 10th 2008

45. Curses!,beat the punch by Clif once again.
And he's a much more articulate writer than
me also....

BOB JOHNSON at 3:11PM on Jun 10th 2008