1696. Nobody is worshipping the big bang. - a.b.a.

That's not the point and worship has nothing to do it.

Peter,

Does it require any faith to accept the hypothesis of the Big Bang theory? The answer is binary: yes or no, but of course feel free to add an explanation. I'd love to hear your response.

Eric at 9:25PM on Jun 28th 2008

1697. That sums it up nicely.

Peter at 10:06PM on Jun 28th 2008

1698. Referring of course to this:

"1695. Nobody is worshipping the big bang." - a born atheist

That sums it up nicely.

Peter at 10:07PM on Jun 28th 2008

1699. Eric I don't have any beliefs about the big bang nor any faith for or against it.

The big bang is a hypothesis that we human have made.

There is some evidence to support it, even compelling evidence. See the Nasa site on that if you have an interest in the theory and it's evidence.

I understand the hypothesis of the big bang quite well, actually there are many variants of it, which doesn't make it a belief of mine.

I don't take it on faith.

I'm not committed to it or against it.

I really don't care about it one way or the other.

It's simply interesting.

I don't worship it nor anything.

To me worship is a stupid thing for humans to do. It allows dictators. It allows evil to gain power when you worship ideas like god. It allows weak thinking.

Peter at 10:13PM on Jun 28th 2008

1700. Eric, answers are not always true or false, yes or no, sometimes the answers are fuzzy, gray, in between, outside of the context of the question, ....

Yet another lesson for you faith heads to learn.

Peter at 10:16PM on Jun 28th 2008

1701. Does it require any faith to accept the hypothesis of the Big Bang theory? The answer is binary: yes or no, but of course feel free to add an explanation. I'd love to hear your response.

xxxx

How about visual proof. It's on television 24/7 no matter where you are. Part of the white noise signal is the CMB. As the universe expands so does the wave length of light. After 13.5 billion years it's in the uwave spectrum and you can see and hear it on any analog tv that's not picking up a station.

Whether you believe the science that tells you that may or may not be binary and may or may not be all that bright. Binary numbers were created by humans but i haven't read anything saying people actually think that way.

Clif Kuplen at 11:08PM on Jun 28th 2008

1702. Is any level of faith at all required to believe or accept the theory of the Big Bang? Anyone?

Eric at 8:38PM on Jun 28th 2008

xxx


compared to say, the level of faith required for the belief that the world is a flat disc with a solid dome above it and a big god that looks like a man made it all but thinks he made four legged two winged creatures and bats that lay eggs?

How about the LOFAART believe that the universe is really a carrot cupcake and we're microbes on a subatomic particle of the frosting of the cupcake universe?

How about for the belief that there is a god who can build a rock so heavy he can't lift it.

Or for the belief that when you sit down, the chair won't turn into a hungry great white shark.

Or for the belief that there are aliens in the house across the street who are reading your mind with mysterious rays and controlling your thoughts.

If you don't have some levels of what you call faith, you would be rather floridly mentally ill and unable to begin functioning since you would doubt each dt as it passed.

The closer you try to dissect 'faith' the more it heisenbergs into how much you question your sensory input.

Like any examination at that level you become indistinguishable from your experiment, or at the very least observing it and commenting on it while intimately entwined in it corrupts it.

At that point no reliable data may be obtained so the question isn't a scientific one.

That's basic scientific method, so you can cut the crap any time you want. Mankind has been down this route.

Clif Kuplen at 11:30PM on Jun 28th 2008

1703. So Peter, after reading the past 20 or so pages of this blog, you seem incapable of providing simple and concise answers. The question was soooooooo simple. If you accept the theory of the Big Bang, does it require any degree of faith? You do understand english? Do you know what “faith” means?

Instead you post this nonsense: Eric I don't have any beliefs about the big bang nor any faith for or against it. - Peter

Mr. Scientist doesn’t have any beliefs (see post 1699) on the Big Bang! That’s total bullshit and you know it. The reason you posted such nonsense was because you know the answer. Faith is required.

You’ve ridiculed many with your snotty, pretentious, and pedantic posts and yet remarkably, simple, clear responses seem to elude you. The know-it-all is unwilling to provide the answer to a simple little question because it will make him admit that his no-faith, no-belief challenge would contradict his own beliefs. Glorious!!!

Eric at 1:20AM on Jun 29th 2008

1704. "If you accept the theory of the Big Bang, does it require any degree of faith?" - Eric

If you reread my post in answer to your inquiry I answered your question.

Which definition of faith are you using?

Definitions of faith on the Web:

* religion: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
* complete confidence in a person or plan etc; "he cherished the faith of a good woman"; "the doctor-patient relationship is based on trust"
* religion: an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"
* loyalty or allegiance to a cause or a person; "keep the faith"; "they broke faith with their investors"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Faith can refer to a religion, or to belief in one or more deities. It has two general implications which can be implied either exclusively or mutually: * To trust:**To commit oneself to act based on self experience to warrant belief, but without absolute proof. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

* The earliest Latin writers used vates to denote "prophets" and soothsayers in general; the word fell into disuse in Latin until it was revived by Virgil . Then Ovid could describe himself as the vates of Eros (Amores 3.9). Also, Vates are known as those that rejoice in the freewill of others.
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* Faith, a bipedal female dog, was born in December of 2002 with only three legs; two fully-developed hind legs and a deformed front leg, which was amputated soon after birth. ...
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* Faith was founded in 1984 by Roger Johansson (guitars), Christer Nilsson (bass, vocals) and Peter Svensson (drums), who had always been the stable part of the line-up ever since. ...
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* Faith is a superhero in the DC Comics universe who first appeared in JLA #69 (October 2002).
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* Sraddha, Śraddhā (Sanskrit literally "faith") is a Hindu funeral ceremony. There are several forms of this ritual. The monthly Sraddha is performed every month in honor of one's deceased ancestors. ...
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* Faith is Japanese vocalist Hyde's third solo album.
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* "Faith" is the title track from The Cure's third album Faith. Famous for having new lyrics performed in it at nearly every live performance, some range into being nearly twenty minutes long.
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* Faith is the third album by British alternative rock band The Cure, released in 1981.
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* "Faith" is the fifth (but promotional only) and last single from Céline Dion's One Heart album. It was released on October 27 2003 in Canada.
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* Faith was the second single by the Nu Metal/Rapcore band Limp Bizkit. It appeared on the 1997 album, Three Dollar Bill, Yall$ and is a cover of the George Michael song, Faith. The video shows scenes of Limp Bizkit by their tour bus at the Family Values Tour 1998. ...
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* Faith is the third album by country artist Faith Hill, released in 1998. Due to the success of the single "This Kiss" in Australia and the UK, the album was released under the title Love Will Always Win, featuring the title track, new versions of Piece of My Heart and Let Me Let Go, as well as ...
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* Faith is the debut album by American R&B and soul singer Faith Evans. The release contains a cover of the Rose Royce hit "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" featuring Mary J. Blige.
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* Faith is the first studio album by the gothic metal band Eyes of Eden. It was released on August 20, 2007 in Europe and on November 6, 2007 in North America.
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* "Faith" is a song written and performed by George Michael and released on Columbia Records from his album of the same title in 1987. According to Billboard magazine, it was the top-selling single of the year in the US in 1988.
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* Faith is a CD Released by Dynamic Praise in 2001.
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* Faith is George Michael's first solo album, released in October 1987. After the split of Wham!, Michael spent the most part of 1987 writing and recording the songs for his breakthrough project. ...
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* "Faith (In The Power Of Love)" is a single by Zambian-born singer Rozalla.
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* Faith is a fictional character created by Joss Whedon for the television series Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Played by actress Eliza Dushku, Faith was introduced in the third season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and was the focus of that season's overarching plot. ...
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* Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth without proof supporting the claim; Belief and trust in the Christian God's promises revealed through Christ in the New Testament; A feeling or belief, that something is true, real, or will happen; A trust in the intentions or abilities of ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faith

* Curatorial Introduction and Artwork | Glossary Science: Conservation Introduction | How Ethiopian Icons Were Fabricated | The Ethiopian Icon ...
www.nmafa.si.edu/exhibits/icons/faith-glossary.html

* the finding of security in the permanence of the need for truth in human nature, used as a shield for fear when truth is unattainable. ...
www.ninthstreetcenter.org/Glossary.htm

* For anyone in the Middle Ages, faith was a cornerstone element of their lives, without which the struggle and privations. ...
www.chronique.com/Library/Glossaries/glossary-KCT/gloss_f.htm

* "To maintain a firm faith requires putting up a hard fight for it, resisting men who could plunge one into immorality, combating the works of the flesh, avoiding the snare of materialism, shunning faith-destroying philosophies and traditions of men, and above all, looking 'intently at the Chief ...
www.4truth.net/site/c.hiKXLbPNLrF/b.2950183/k.6E44/Jehovahs_Witnesses_Glossary_Words_and_Concepts.htm

* The knowledge of and active belief in the existence and power of the living God and His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. Faith is the actual spiritual substance of God's Holy Spirit, which gives the believer the assurance and the confidence that what God has promised, He will perform.
www.biblestudy.org/beginner/basic-bible-teachings.html

* Belief without evidence
www.innvista.com/culture/religion/diction.htm

* It is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof, or something desired, and is expected to occur.
www.silvamethod.com/faqs/Glossary.aspx

* A convinced belief; a condition of mind fully satisfied; next to actual knowledge. We have faith the sun will rise to-morrow morning, but the knowledge can not be actual until after sunrise.
www.angelfire.com/in2/oahspe3/glossary.html

* The power bestowed by God which enables us to believe what God has revealed. FASTING - Abstaining from certain foods, particularly meat foods FASTING DAYS - Days and seasons appointed by the Church during which the faithful abstain from meat. ...
www.stsophia.org/orthodox_dictionary.htm

* Acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or reason.
www.carm.org/atheism/terms.htm

* secure belief in God
www.request.org.uk/main/churches/glossary.htm

* confident belief in the truth of a person, idea, or thing. This belief is not based on logical proof. With Faith, one has hope, Trust, Love, and certainty that God is.
www.goddirect.org/glossary/f.htm

* is the investing of trust in something or someone based on the sufficiency of evidence. Yet faith can be likened to why we do not reason why a sunset is beautiful; the beauty is mysteriously self-evident. ...
www.ovrlnd.com/Evangelism/Gospel_Presented.html

* http://www.fwponline.cc/v17n2reasoner.html
www.123exp-beliefs.com/t/00804061826/

* Strong belief in something without proof or evidence
homepage.tinet.ie/~peterc/a/a5.html

* belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof.
goldie01.livejournal.com/31971.html

* the category of epistemic methods based on introspection: ie attempting awareness of existence from inside our minds. There exists a number of faith methods, including emotionalism, authority, and denial. Generally employed within the boundaries of religious systems.
www.strongatheism.net/intro/lexicon/

* "Faith and believing that Christ is what He is said to be, and that He will do what he has promised to do, and then to expect this of Him" (Charles Haddon)
www.12ordinarymen.com/dictionary.htm

* An acronym for Fast Acting Integrated Tactical Headquarters, an elite rapid response unit of ZAFT with authority over regular ZAFT military and answerable only to the supreme PLANT council. (See also: Acronym, ZAFT)
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Peter at 2:45AM on Jun 29th 2008

1705. It seems to me that the common usage here is one of these:

* Mental acceptance of and confidence in a claim as truth without proof supporting the claim; Belief and trust in the Christian God's promises revealed through Christ in the New Testament; A feeling or belief, that something is true, real, or will happen; A trust in the intentions or abilities of ...
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/faith

* It is a firm belief in something for which there is no proof, or something desired, and is expected to occur.
www.silvamethod.com/faqs/Glossary.aspx


The definition that I use is this one as is clearly spelled out by me on many occasions:

* Strong belief in something without proof or evidence
homepage.tinet.ie/~peterc/a/a5.html

Peter at 2:48AM on Jun 29th 2008

1706. "Mr. Scientist doesn’t have any beliefs (see post 1699) on the Big Bang! That’s total bullshit and you know it. The reason you posted such nonsense was because you know the answer. Faith is required." - Eric

Yes, while I understand the big bang theory it's just a theory with compelling evidence. Better than any other at this time but it doesn't mean that it wills stay that way and that is just fine with me which ever way it goes. For it's not which theory that is that matters to me it's that it's supported by evidence and or proof.

You guys on the other hand are "reasonable certain" that your mythical god will condemn us non-believers to your mythical hell forever.

Now that is FAITH.

Bugs will eat your corpse without you going to the afterlife or your body will turn to dust also without any magical afterlife. Give up your teddy bear and get real.

Peter at 2:52AM on Jun 29th 2008

1707. "You’ve ridiculed many with your snotty, pretentious, and pedantic posts and yet remarkably, simple, clear responses seem to elude you." - Eric

Just because you didn't like my response doesn't mean anything other than that you didn't like my response Eric. I'm not beholden to answer you the way you want me to.

Ah, it's Renzo that's the pedantic one.

Here is the definition of pedantic: "A pedant, or pædant, is a person who is overly concerned with formalism and precision, or who makes a show of learning."

That's Renzo for sure.

Me on the other hand welcome your definition of words as long as you're telling me, ordering me to comply with only your usage like the Nazi word police.



Eric: "The know-it-all is unwilling to provide the answer to a simple little question because it will make him admit that his no-faith, no-belief challenge would contradict his own beliefs. Glorious!!!" - Eric

I answered your question. Learn to read and comprehend.

I work to eliminate all faith and all belief. I've said this before. To me any belief or faith is ridiclous. Of course I've defined my terms which you guys just don't like because it makes you look stupid believing that dead bodies come back from the dead. It's your belief that makes you so demonstably stupid.

I've said it before. I said it to friends earlier today. I'll say it again. I do not known everthing. Far from it. I'm ignorant of a great many topics.

One of topics I do know about is that dead bodies don't rise from the dead and that if so one believes that jesus rose from the dead that person is delusional and potentially has a deep dementia such as Dinesh's or Renzo's or Jesse's or PerVerted's or The Pope' or ... all highly devoted faith based freaks.

So I've answered the qustions you've asked even though there is no contract that I will. If you don't like the way I've answered that's too bad for you. Life is what it is including harsh and when we die we die a permanant death and are gone forever and ever without any nihilist nirvana of heaven, no virgins (damn I wanted those virgins), no puffy white clouds, no nothing not even nothing for we won't be conscious as our entire bio-elect

Peter at 3:03AM on Jun 29th 2008

1708. Life is what it is including harsh and when we die we die a permanent death and are gone forever and ever without any nihilist nirvana of heaven, no virgins (damn I wanted those virgins), no puffy white clouds, no nothing not even nothing for we won't be conscious as our entire bio-electro-chemical processes that create the illusion that we are conscious and have souls will have ceased forever losing all ability to be recovered.

Peter at 3:05AM on Jun 29th 2008

1709. If you don't like the facts of life Eric there is nothing I can do about it. I'm not here to sugar coat them over for you. I'm here to inform you of the good news about being alive as a human being in the here and now. If you don't like your beliefs being challenged then that's fine. Be grumpy if that's what you want.

I'm confident that when I do find that my brain has constructed a belief I will eradicate it. I've developed the skills. I have the knowledge to build a better me.

You can learn as well. Start by harshly questioning every belief you have that is faith based, every belief you don't have evidence for, every belief that is based upon super naturalism would qualify as they are all based upon FAITH.

FAITH is EVIL.

Evidence: the christian mythical god and sweet zombie jesus wants to send all of us non-believers to hell to burn forever. That is a spiritual insult to all non-believers by christian. Your very beliefs insult your very being and existence. The christian religion makes monsters out of non-believers. Any religion that does that is EVIL to living people NOW. Note that there are some religions that don't make the absurd non-believers to hell claim. They are less evil as a result.

I don't know if you are christian Eric since I don't recall you saying so but it's likely the case... are you christian? If so you're insulting my spirituality now by claiming that I'll burn in hell forever.

Dead bodies don't rise from the dead. Only delusionals believe that they do.

Peter at 3:13AM on Jun 29th 2008

1710. Oh and Eric now your great leader, Dinesh D'Souza, has the gall to insult non-believers with an entire article entitled "Is Christianity the Only Way?". Nice christian morals you guys have.

Peter at 3:22AM on Jun 29th 2008