406. Haven't these highly respected scholars spoken to Clif Kulpen and William Hays? When will these published scientists begin to listen to Clif Kulpen and William Hays?

Renzo at 9:31PM on Jun 13th 2008

xxx

We listen to published scientists. You don't unless it to attempt to distort something to support your superstitions.

xxxxx

This is not a scientific symposium, or even a blog for scientifically informed people. Far from it.

It is a blog populated by religious fringe elements and hosted by a religious extremist. His use of 'darwinian' and yours occurs here many times and is used as an attempt to draw a discussion on evolution out of the twenty first century and the science of molecular genetics into the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, which is the last time any of the preacher silliness you take as fact was updated.

You do the same thing with the 'big bang', acting as though the bulk of the scientific community had never heard of it and Hoyle's Steady State theory was still prevalent. Most of you never heard of inflation, the higgs field, the standard model, m-theory, nothing that's come along since the seventies. Some genius even disputes Einstein.
It's a typical ploy of desperation since you aren't' well educated enough in science basics to improve your understanding, or you have one humongous psychological block against understanding.

Also, I'd speculate that many of you take comfort in ignorance and misinformation or religion wouldn't be very attractive to you.

It's the same old game that's always attempted here - frame an argument against science as it was in 1920 so you have some wiggle room for your superstitions.

On evolution, it's a little late, like with the flat earth.

Clif Kuplen at 12:10AM on Jun 14th 2008

407. ATHEIST

More Stupidity.

Reply to: Anyone who has studied history academically knows that we have very, very few "first hand" accounts of most of the historical people and events that we accept unproblematically (end)

The problem which you have ignored....

is the nature of the Christian accounts.

they're propaganda for an End of the World cult based on resurrection.

They contain accounts of exorcism, demons moving into herds of swine, angels, the raising of Lazarus... in short, the beliefs of the Pharisees which were rejected by mainline Judaism.

In other words, the gospel accounts are NOT CREDIBLE.

the other histories you refer to... are NOT propaganda from a resurrection cult.

Grow up. Start THINKING.

I'm not asking for the world. I want you to ADMIT that a "good news" about a man who came back to life after being dead for three days... was just a way to SELL memberships in a resurrection cult.

It's NOT that difficult a concept.

THINK.

William Hays at 12:14AM on Jun 14th 2008

408. I lied. One more quick post, then off to bed. The post by S #399 got me thinking about another cool Mormon theory or belief (OK, cool at least to me!). And that is the idea of eternal progression. While many Mormons ascribe omniscience and omnipotence as attributes to God, I don't think we mean quite what traditional christianity means by that--at least that's how I think it was in our earlier history. We seem to be moving more toward a more traditional view on that lately (which, I think coincides with the rightward movement politically of many Mormons the last 50 years).

At any right, eternal progression isn't just limited to us humans, but is something God experiences as well (I again acknowledge that many more orthodox Mormons would shy away from this). So, to sort of answer S's post, I don't see God being strait-jacketed at all. There are an eternity of choices and paths.

Another thing I like about Mormonism (I'm not this excited about everything, mind you) is that I think it's the ultimate humanistic religion. Where else can you go that claims that us mere humans can be as God. I know that is going to sound strange to many of you, and I know that the conservative Christians (in fact most Christians) totally reject this and use this as one reason for claiming that Mormons aren't Christians, which is fine.

But think about it for a second. Why wouldn't God want his children to be like him, to have what he has? I find this a compeling and beautiful idea. So, I find the idea of multiple universes also compelling for that reason. I'm sure many of you will discount this, and I know that many of you will damn me to hell for this, but there you have it. Goddess asked and who am I to not answer?

By the way, Mormons don't believe in hell either--I certainly don't. That's another story...

:)

Peace everybody

Lloyd the Lurker at 12:15AM on Jun 14th 2008

409. 2. or, the more relevant relevant question:

Can a pseudo-intellectual product of caste systems, with a superiority complex, say anything that matters?

America's Most Gangsta at 9:23AM on Jun 12th 2008
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BRAVO!!!!!!!!

robert at 12:47AM on Jun 14th 2008

410. "It would appear the bitch is you, a silly punk-ass bitch." - mac

At last some honesty from mac.


"Atheists, you are all losers. Keep destroying each other with your venom, I love it, lol!" - Tom B

Another warm comment from the christian Tom B. fulfilling his mythical god's orders to be nasty.


"God bless you, Peter with His Tender Love and Mercy." - Michael

How dare you say that horrific statement to me. You are vile and evil for doing so. I wouldn't want anything to do with that mass murdering free will stealing monster you call god, just as I wouldn't want anything to do with Bush, Hitler, or Ted Bundy - their crimes against humanity out shadow any good that they might have done in their lives before they became monsters. They are all evil although they don't compare to the evil of your mythical god, he or it is in a league on it's own. Assuming it exists which it doesn't which makes the followers of that mythical god and other mythical gods responsible for their actions in their various cults names. How dare you insult me like that. How repugnant that statement is "EvilVileOverload blesses you". How evil of you.


"you cannot distinguish between compliment and insult, how are we supposed to tell if you know anything about religion when you have demonstrated a loss of understanding of life?" - mac

I know enough about religion to know how dangerous it and other forms of belief are such as Nasism, Communism, Bushism, Cheneyism, Castroism, and many other forms of repugnant beliefs that mass murderers use to justify killing people. Fortunately I learned from my grandfathers about the true nature of war - WWI and WWII - and from the point of view of both sides! Religion is vile and evil. Your mythica god is the worst mass killer that humans align with in their beliefs.

Only a few compliments have been made here and via email since I started rearing my ugly mug and asshole of an attitude here. Yes, for telling you the straight dope about your delusions and dementia I expect some of you might consider me an asshole - so be it.

One need not know much about religion to know it's false and pointless. Learning a bit more and it's easy to see how evil and vile it is even when it's trying to be nice - it's still pernicious and slithers in and eventually poisoning things and people and relationships.

One only need take the bath tub test to see that jesus could not have walked on water and conclude that if he existed he was a con man plying his trade with marks like you folks who are so easy to trick with leaps of faith and simple tricks any competent magician can perform. You are delusional fools if you think that jesus walked on water. Fill your bath tub with water and step into it. You'll sink to the floor of the tub proving that jesus would have sunk as well. No one can violate the Laws of Nature. You've not proven that jesus was a fraud in your bath tub!!!

As for life. I deeply and profoundly understand and comprehend life and death. You people think that you can say anything to support your religion and ignore anything that is said to you with impunity. There is a cost to you and others in your life for your willful ignoring of facts of life which are essential to maximize your life in the here and now which is all there ever is or ever will be: now. When you die you're gone forever, dust in the wind, no more consciousness. Just blammo, gone. Just splat, gone. Just, oh last breath, gone. No more. No hope for an afterlife. Reality is a harsh mistress. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but someone has to drum it into you idiots so that you don't destroy our lives in the here and now with your faith based dogma.

I pity all you faith fools. Those of you who fail to learn and it's apparent who you are on this blog - that also includes Dinesh - I have contempt for you since you actually and willfully dumb down your brains with beliefs in that which you know can't possibly be true in your hearts.


"I never got the sense he's malicious. Except for today with the holocaust denier bit. I think he just has a world view he's committed to and a few cherry picked facts and he really wants to make it fit, but can't see the forest for the trees." - Ryan

Again you continue to propagate false statements. Evil.

I'm not malicious. I indent NO harm to anyone. It's you people who deny the facts of life with your delusional dementia in the unproven and - as you claim - the unprovable that are the ones who cause harm. It is you who need to be watched for signs of being unbalanced.

What cherry picked facts are that? Pick any aspect of your stupid myth of god and there will be facts of life to reveal the lies within your myth. You have a really bad myth you see, one that is ripe with lies ready for the plucking. It's just that the long history the con men have had lets them build in defenses that hing upon your inability to be critical once you've accepted their spoon fed beliefs into your brains. After that you are as good as zombies from The Night of The Living Dead.

I hate to be the one to tell you goddess1prevail but NO ONES PRAYERS are ever answered. It's only your delusional minds that makes you interpret events that was. It's simply your world view of magic and spirits that has you believing in miracles and prayers.

"If you would have bothered to read my post right you would have known that I originally thought PV was ok until he condemned YOU to hell. Then I was inquiring about the post where PV DENIES the holocaust. There are no mistakes in my post and there is nothing to apologize for, you are the one scanning these posts searching for your next attack."

Well you could have written your post clearly so that the person you were referring to wasn't ambiguous. It can be read both ways as evidenced from my reading and your assertion of intending it to be read the other way.

PV is well within his evil and vile belief system as a christian to condemn me to hell as that is what the bible orders. This is the point that I'm making, chrisitians - if they follow the bible and the teachings of preachers throughout america and elsewhere - MUST commit genocide, MUST rape, MUST NOT PRAY IN GROUPS, MUST murder children, etc... - IT SAYS SO IN YOUR BIBLE!!! To do otherwise is to condemn yourselves to hell for disobeying gods and jesuses orders.

Fine you won't apologize, then at least repost with my name removed so it's clear that your comments are focused upon PerVerted. Or rewrite it so it's clear and repost it. Thanks.

I'm actually glad to see that some of you don't like or agree with PerVerted. He seems to be the most unlikable type with a deep set dementia with morals that border on Hitler's or Bundy's or Bush's.

Fine I'm an asshole simpleton. That's why I can invent simple systems that produce complex results with guaranteed results. That's how I can work in the high tech and science industries with excellent results. Maybe asshole, but simpleton, nah that just doesn't fit. Sorry.

But then again if the bath tub test won't satisfy you faith freaks then I must be a simpleton since it is enough to satisfy not just be but many people I know. Maybe it is the simplest of tests of reality that can prove your religion false and shift some of you back to reality from your delusional dementia leaps of faith. People can't walk on water!!! Nature prevents it!!! Thus jesus didn't walk on water - he was a con man if he existed, and a prop in a cult regardless.

I wouldn't want to get shit on you as that is unsanitary not to mention disgusting.

You have a truly wicked sense of humor. I'm a single celled creature with an asshole shitting over the faith freaks! Wow...

You rely on "astrology"; that shows that you are a nut job as well.

I'm glad that you won't condemn me to the mythical hell. There is enough condemnation on Earth caused by people and their whacked out beliefs and faiths including the vile evils of nationalism.

"please, stop citing sites like "no-beliefs" and "infidels" as if they're simply presenting disinterested, scholarly evaluations of the historical data. Honestly, that would be like me citing "reasonable faith" as an unbiased source." - Renzo the delusional person who never answers questions addressed to him.

Renzo, then stop citing the bible as it's a biased source!

The site you mention are valid criticisms and offer interesting information contesting the so called facts of religion. I'll reference whatever material I please thank you very much. Please answer my questions that you've skipped over in the other comments.

"In other words, the gospel accounts are NOT CREDIBLE. The other histories you refer to... are NOT propaganda from a resurrection cult. Grow up. Start THINKING.THINK." - William Hayes.

The problem William Hayes it that they've been in their resurrection cult for so long that they don't know what thinking is, let alone what critical thinking is or how to do it to their own thoughts. Their religion prevents them from going there at all.

Faith freaks and sweet zombie jesus followers (and other theists) give up your death cult following mythical god who has a zombie for a son.

Choose life in the here and now.

Peter at 2:50AM on Jun 14th 2008

411. That should read "NOW" not "not".

"One only need take the bath tub test to see that jesus could not have walked on water and conclude that if he existed he was a con man plying his trade with marks like you folks who are so easy to trick with leaps of faith and simple tricks any competent magician can perform. You are delusional fools if you think that jesus walked on water. Fill your bath tub with water and step into it. You'll sink to the floor of the tub proving that jesus would have sunk as well. No one can violate the Laws of Nature. You've NOW proven that jesus was a fraud in your bath tub!!!"

Peter at 2:53AM on Jun 14th 2008

412. No, Peter. Tell us how you -really- feel.

Somber at 3:29AM on Jun 14th 2008

413. Eh? Is being authentic too much for you people?

Peter at 3:54AM on Jun 14th 2008

414. I was joking, Peter.

Somber at 3:56AM on Jun 14th 2008

415. I guessed.

I was pointing out that my abrasive authenticity is generally too much for those die hard delusionals.

Peter at 4:01AM on Jun 14th 2008

416. Peter; I was talking about Pretervision, not you. Chill.

Ryan Anderson at 4:02AM on Jun 14th 2008

417. Ryan, I apologize for misunderstanding. Please make sure your comments are very clear and unambiguous. Too many posts here are way to ambiguous.

"Lost performers" is a common mistake in writing and other forms of communication. A lost performer is when the noun or personal pronoun can be interpreted two or more ways OR is lost and can't be found in the communication at all.

Peter at 4:17AM on Jun 14th 2008

418. Peter's comments reflect a truly unhappy man, an indicia that he suffered severe trauma at one point in his life. Tell us, Peter, what really happened that made you so hateful of religion. Where you abused by a priest? Have you been put in any kind of disadvantage by persons affiliated or associated with religion or beliefs? If so, then attack only those that have done you wrong otherwise you have no ground for your vitriolic rants. Religion has transformed human civilization since time immemorial. Religion is the biggest issue of all time. Science, for good or ill, will be subsumed under and harnessed by religion in the foreseeable future. Religion will decide the destiny of this planet. You are like an ant protesting against the construction of a modern city.

Have some humility. Reflect a little bit.

emendozajun at 4:22AM on Jun 14th 2008

419. Modern science, particularly cutting edge microbiology, gives ample evidence to the unbiased mind that Darwinian evolution is an absolute impossibility and that intelligent design is the only answer to the ultimate question of origins. You might want to read "The Hidden Face of God" by Dr. Gerald Schroeder for confirmation of this. Since I as a systematic theologian and former atheist believe that genuine biblical Christianity is entirely sane and evolutionist theory is insane (meaning out of contact with reality), that means that one cannot be a biblical Christian (Luke 9:23-27 explains it best) and an evolutionist simultaneously because one cannot be both sane and insane simultaneously. Dr. Ruse and others of his persuasion are of necessity, therefore, incorrect in their view. I would prefer to be a genuine, biblical, first-century style Christian than a nut-case evolutionist any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

F M Richbourg III at 4:22AM on Jun 14th 2008

420. "Peter's comments reflect a truly unhappy man, an indicia that he suffered severe trauma at one point in his life." - emendozajun

I'm quite happy and at times not so much, that is life. You can't be happy without the downs or didn't you know that?


"Tell us, Peter, what really happened that made you so hateful of religion." - emendozajun

I see the dangers in religion and the fools that believe in it are quite a bunch. It amazes me how stupid you can be in such an important area of life as determing what is real verses what is wishful thinking and fantasy. You take your wishful fantasy as if it was real life - it isn't, it's just nonsense religious dogma that is evil and vile.


"Where you abused by a priest?" - emendozajun

Fortunately not.


"Have you been put in any kind of disadvantage by persons affiliated or associated with religion or beliefs?" - emendozajun

Not really no. I simply find religious people pompous idiots disconnected from reality.


"If so, then attack only those that have done you wrong otherwise you have no ground for your vitriolic rants." - emendozajun

My rants as you call them simply are here to point out the delusion that you people have with your so called religious beliefs. It's your problem that you are so deluded as to not see reality for what it is. I'm just the one telling you the facts of life. Sorry you don't like the facts of life. Get real.


"Religion has transformed human civilization since time immemorial." - emendozajun

Yeah, they did a great job of that with the crusades and the 100 year wars.

Besides who the fuck cares. Religions are about power and control of the masses of which you are one. No one is going to heaven, but there are those emptying your wallets of money... you are a mark for con men. An easy target all primed for the continual con.


"Religion is the biggest issue of all time." - emendozajun

Ah, more delusional rant on your part.

I'd say the biggest issue of all time is survival and LIFE! Not the mythical afterlife. Dead bodies rot and turn to dust one way or another. There is no afterlife. Sorry to be so blunt!!!


"Science, for good or ill, will be subsumed under and harnessed by religion in the foreseeable future." - emendozajun

Not if sane people like myself have anything to do about it faith freak.


"Religion will decide the destiny of this planet." - emendozajun

You might be right about that. Bush - a religious crusader - has his finger on enough nulcear bombs to destroy the planet a whole bunch of times. Very scary.



"You are like an ant protesting against the construction of a modern city." - emendozajun

Funny. And you think that there is a mythical god that cares about ants like you? Very super funny.


"Have some humility." - emendozajun
reality
Yeah as if that's going to have an impact upon you and your ilk. It's about time that you showed some courage and opened up your brain and tossed out your faith of leap beliefs in a mythical god and got real connected to objective reality. Give up your mythical god - that would be your act of humility.


"Reflect a little bit." - emendozajun

I reflect quite a bit. More than you know.

Peter at 4:39AM on Jun 14th 2008