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Mexico - Welcome to the Age of Reason and Enlightenment
This week the President of Mexico, Felipe Calderon, signed legislation revamping the Mexican justice system with the establishment of the "presumption of innocence" in criminal proceedings. Hello, Mexico! Where have you been all this time? The history of the presumption of innocence is not crystal clear, as legal matters are often murky, but it goes back at least centuries in English and Western law and may even have roots in Ancient Greece, over two thousand years ago. Now sure, Mexico may be far more advanced than some Middle Eastern countries, for example, that find rape victims to be guilty of the crime of being raped, but this is not the standard to which you want to be compared. Mexico has been trying to modernize and join the advanced world for decades now. It would have helped if they had thought of this basic principle of enlightenment and reason a long time ago. But OK, congratulations, modern justice is finally arriving to the southern neighbor of the United States. Progress in human affairs is slow. If you accept that fact, it's easier to celebrate this advance. And it will be easier to wait the estimated TEN MORE YEARS expected to pass before the presumption of innocence is actually put into widespread practice in Mexico.
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Reader Comments ( Page 1 of 4)
1. Dave
Wow, now maybe Mexico will start going after the drug dealers in it's next step towards advancing the country and getting a better standard of living. Gun battles on the streets is a common thing as drug dealers fight over the drug business and corruption of public officals is widespread with many of them on the payroll of drug dealers.
Back to USA.
Obama still has his big lie on his web site.
Obama says he was never a Muslim.
but in his own book he says different. In his book he acknowledges he was a Muslim. He was born into the Muslim religion with a Muslim father and was registered as a Muslim at 2 schools in his early school years.
Obama says he was never raised as a Muslim.
Again, he was registered as a Muslim in Indonesia in the 2 schools he went to while there. Part of the studies was 2 hours a day studying the religion you were registered as at the school. In his case, the Islamic religion. This is also in Obama's book, where he acknowledges experiences in the religious studies.
Obama can say he is a Christian now, but it is a big lie to say on his web site that he was NEVER a Muslim and was NOT RAISED a Muslim, when the proof says otherwise.
Obama was a Muslim, is a Muslim, and still half of his relatives are Muslims.
Robert OKane at 1:17AM on Jun 18th 2008
2. Okane,
You can slice it and dice it however way you want, but you are wrong. Dead wrong.
We chose our faith. It doesn't chose us. Obama has time and again pointed out the fact that his father was never a practicing Muslim. His mother was an Atheist. That makes him born into a Musliest household.
When we get older and we can think for ourselves, we chose what faith or lack of faith we have. He never chose the faith of Islam. He never lied.
Did he register himself at school or did his parents register him? This has nothing to do with being raised as anything. Again, his Father wasn't a practicing Muslim and his Mother was an Atheist.
But you know this already. You know he never was a muslim and you know he currently isn't a muslim.
However, let's say for the sake of argument, you are correct. So what? Got a problem with Muslims? Is this supposed to scare somebody?
Stop acting like a brainwashed republican, and pay attention to the issues and this Country.
You can keep on posting this nonsense like you have been, but all it does is make you look more like an idiot each time, and you give real people with conversative values a terrible name.
Those guys will be voting for Obama. The real true conservatives, have seen what the Government has done in the name of "Conversativism".
What's your problem?
Thomas Flint at 1:31AM on Jun 18th 2008
3. Good for Mexico! Good for Mexicans! Good for American tourists!
And good for the U.S. Supreme Court for recently bitch-slapping the bush-CHeney Junta on Habeas Corpus. Now, with any luck, we can roll back the so-called "PATRIOT ACT," and return to our Constitutional right to be secure in our persons, papers and communications.
Captain Negative at 3:43AM on Jun 18th 2008
4. Thomas
My problem , if I did not make it clear enough for you, is Obama is a liar, his Web site is a lie.
1-Born into the religion-According to Islamic jurisprudence, children of a Muslim father-even an apparently non-praticing one, such as Obama's father,and irrespective of the mother's faith-are automatically Muslims. Most of the 1 billion plus Muslims around the world agree. A child of a Muslim father is a Muslim-period
2-Obama's mother and step-father registered Obama as a Muslim in both schools in Jakarta, the Catholic school and the public school. Obama's parents had the choice of which religion the could register him-Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, and that would be the religion he would religious instruction in every day.
3-While is the schools in Jakarta, for four years he praticed the Islamic religion for 2 hours a day as every child did that was said to be a Muslim by his parents.
4-His half brother Malik Hussein Obama talked about Obama's Muslim background in a newspaper interview June, 2008.
5-Obama talked about studing religion at Jakarta and made reference to an incident where he was making faces during "Koranic Studies"
5-Obama himself and his sister, have admited they occassionally attended a Mosque with his step father, Lolo Soetero in Jakarta.
Obama should take down his bogus Muslim-denial site, and come clean with the truth and should say "My father was a Muslim. I was born into the faith. When I was old enough to choose for myself, I was baptized into Christianity9give the date baptized and show baptism certificte as he shows his birth cerificate)". The truth will prevail, and the truth is Obama was a Muslim.
Obama is a liar and his web site is a lie.
If you want to believe the lies on Obama's web site, that is up to you. If you want to believe that Obama lied in his book where he admits he studied the Muslim religion, that is up to you.
If you have no problem acting like you are brainwashed by Obama or the Democrat Party, that is up to you.
But do not turn it around and try to raise the question that I have a problem with Muslims. I do not and did not say I did.
I do have a problem with Obama putting up a web site that is a lie and seeing a liar getting elected to the White House.
Robert OKane at 5:27AM on Jun 18th 2008
5. Mexican law is based on the "Code Napoleon" and, as in all countries based upon that code, required the defendant to prove innocence. The Anglo-Saxon law is different in that the government must prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt." Kudos to Mexico for admending its legal system. I hope tht France et al. admend their legal systems also.
longwalker at 6:55AM on Jun 18th 2008
6. Obama belonged to a Church that made Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrahkhan its " Man of the Year" Obama is not Muslim. Neither is Farrahkan. They both are more about race than religion. Both basic doctrines are the same. " We are Black"
Dennis D at 7:03AM on Jun 18th 2008
7. OKane has problems sorting out the fact that Limbaugh and fox lies to him. I think it makes his brain hurt.
Dennis at 7:41AM on Jun 18th 2008
8. Prisoners of war are held in accordance with the Geneva convention & subject to specific military criminal jurisprudence:
Chapter 111; sect. 111 jucicial proceedings, article 102 states,
A prisoner of war can be validly sentenced only if the sentence has been pronounced by the SAME courts according to the SAME procedure as in the case of members of the ARMED FORCES of the DETAINING POWER, and if, furthermore, the provisions of the present Chapter have been observed.
Bobby at 8:57AM on Jun 18th 2008
9. OKANE, and you point is what here? That you are trying to pull a Republican on us all and mislead people? This is about the Mexican justice system, but then again the way we have been treated in our own country the last 8 years, we have gone backwards....And OKANE, go and become a Muslim and then convert to Christianity and see what happens to you.....Obama wouldn't be alive if he had done that. Now go and clean out your doublewide, finish off that 6 pack and get a job. You have too much free time on your hands to be watching Fox News, I can't handle that much "fair and unbiased" reporting. HAHA. Sorry I meant unfair and biased, or can I say lying in this posting????
Grace at 9:57AM on Jun 18th 2008
10. What's wrong with being a Muslum?? Don't we all accept the belief that there is only one God (Allah)and this God is the God of Abrahim (Ibrahim). Read the book "The Arab and His Faith." Those who read this document will also learn what an Arab is and is not.
Dewey C Simpson at 10:00AM on Jun 18th 2008
11. If Obama was raised a Muslim the 1st few years of his life he doesn't remember anything about it accept what was told to him in later years. One question, Does being a Muslim mean you can't be a good president? Nost of our past president were christian and look what they did. Now if he was an Isreali I might start to worry.
Bill at 10:06AM on Jun 18th 2008
12. Robert Okane @ #1 writes: Obama was a Muslim, is a Muslim, and still half of his relatives are Muslims.
Personally, I wouldn't care if he worshiped Genishu - what is important is that he do right by the American people - something the Republicans have failed to do since they took office 8 years ago.
Phippers at 10:06AM on Jun 18th 2008
13. Thank you longwalker. The author of this needs to take note and not ever get caught looking somewhat, welllll, stupid. Sorry! The UCMJ is based on the Napoleonic code and it works just fine. There are parishes in Louisiana that still bear the mark of that code though what they do about the presumption of innocence has to be dictated by the constitution. The 'presumption of innocence is a cruel joke anyway. Does this presumption vary by race or income? It sure seems so.
tfitz1017 at 10:10AM on Jun 18th 2008
14. LOL....I love how all of you have diverted from the article's issue onto whether or not Obama is a Muslim. I agree with Cenk...YAY MEXICO! Take back your country, make it a beautiful place...
May it be real and lasting, and may it precede future acts for the good of your people.
Ang at 10:38AM on Jun 18th 2008
15. Help Jesse Jackson save his people--
Let's gather up all them pesky illegals, make Soylent Green outa them then send that to the welfare slackers in lieu of they government checks. Solves SO many problems. YUMMMMM!
An American taxpayer voting for Osama bin Obama is like a racehorse voting for Alpo as a retirement plan.
People Eating Tasty Animals and Alpo -- Join Now! Enroll the whole family.
Cliff Mansfield at 10:54AM on Jun 18th 2008