Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama claimed over and over during the primaries that they were strong leaders who could take America in a new direction. They also claimed that George W. Bush was the worst president in US history. Then, how come they have never been able to beat him in almost any legislative battles?
This week they surrendered again. This time it was about giving immunity to telecommunication companies who broke the law to placate the Bush administration. Nearly everyone involved admits they broke the law -- otherwise they wouldn't need immunity.
I didn't rob a bank, so I don't need immunity for robbery. Everyone should have their rights, and that definitely applies to the telecom companies and the Bush administration as well, so it should be very simple for them to go into a courthouse and show there was nothing wrong with what they did. Except they can't, and that's why desperately need immunity for the crimes they have committed.
This isn't about spying on terrorists. The FISA court gives out warrants like they're growing on trees. If they spied on terrorists, it's the easiest thing in the world to show. No, this is for breaking the law and spying on Americans without a court order. Do we know who they spied on? No, and now we never will. Why? The Democrats are going to give these companies -- and by extension the Bush administration -- immunity for breaking the law.
In essence, the Democrats are giving a preemptive pardon to George Bush and everyone else that authorized and participated in this illegal surveillance program.
Now, if we only had a couple of strong leaders on the Democratic side who could stop this. Oh wait a minute, I remember two people that kept telling me how strong and capable they were. One of them even claimed that change was coming. You know when it might be a good time for change? Right about now.
Instead, Hillary Clinton is on vacation somewhere doing absolutely nothing about this immunity bill. When it's not about her career, all of a sudden she's not that moved to fight for us, our laws and our constitution. Since she's not going to be president, she's taken her ball and gone home.
And what about Obama? Nothing. Worse than nothing, because he's actually thinking about voting with the Republicans on a so-called compromise, which in the words of Sen. Feingold is nothing short of a "capitulation." Leadership you can believe in!
You think I sound angry here, you should have seen me all week on the show. If you want to see what I think of pathetic Democratic weakness, watch this (not safe for work or with kids around). The Democrats make it nearly impossible to respect them. And if you want to see what I think of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama's awful record of leadership on this issue, watch this:
If you can't beat the most unpopular president of all time in a simple legislative fight like this, how can you claim to be a strong and effective leader?
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46. Not really, dead guy. There were tens of millions fewer to Americans to disapprove of Truman than there are to disapprove of Governor bush.
It is beyond contradiction. Tens of millions more Americans hate bush than hated Truman.
You wingers just beat the hell out of the minutae because you have no issues to claim any pride in.
Your team has screwed up everything they've put their money-grubbing paws on.
Your team can't govern. Your side claims that government doesn't work and then proves it by failing to govern.
We are in a mess of your creation and, "conservatives" like Dave want people hauled off for not toeing the party line.
The bush-cheney Junta is holding our democracy hostage by saying, "If you vote for Obama we'll start another war."
When that rat-bastard, Kristol was on Fux Noise, he even mentioned nukes. Not, Iranaian nukes (which don't exist) but tactical nuclear weapons.
The fix is in. The neoconservative don't give a flying deadguy about the American people. They have a vision of the, "end times" and they are hell bent on trying to bring it aobut.
Governor bush sincerely believes that history will redeem him and that his rewards will be in heaven.
Russia and Red China are not going to sit idle while the neocons seize the world's oil reserves.
Dead-eye Dick and Governor bush are going to be just like Henry Kissinger. They will need legal teams to analyze their travel plans. Set foot in the wrong country and they just might find themselves facing war crime charges.
Captain Negative at 2:21AM on Jun 23rd 2008
47. 42. Dave thinks someone should be dragged off for interrogation by "Homeland Security" for mentioning McCain;s age and health.
Didn't hear a peep out Dave of when the Fux Noise bitch, Liz the trotter, wished for Obama's assassination.
Captain Negative at 1:43AM on Jun 23rd 2008
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Nah CN, Dave said no such thing nor did he imply it.
You have proof that anyone on Fox news wished for Obama's death? u toob maybe? Actually, your just lying and hoping to pick up a few converts...dreamer.
Dedmanrisn at 2:21AM on Jun 23rd 2008
48. You have proof that anyone on Fox news wished for Obama's death? u toob maybe? Actually, your just lying and hoping to pick up a few converts...dreamer.
Dedmanrisn at 2:21AM on Jun 23rd 2008
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Deadguy, thanks for validating my opinon of you.
Captain Negative at 2:26AM on Jun 23rd 2008
49. Cenk:
I once had a client who had run afoul of a federal law. I was sure that, after a long and very costly trial, he would win but I had to advise him that it would be cheaper for him to plea bargain and have his company pay a small fine.
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Sorry Cenk but you were a diservice to your client in the worst way. A man can always recover financially...it may take time but it is possible. Look at Trump. However, a man's reputation for honesty and integrity is priceless and shouldn't be traded away for dollars and cents.
Marie Noguerole at 8:38AM on Jun 29th 2008
50. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
Deadguy, I'm tempted to let you embarrass yourself further by continuing to call me a liar. But I'm too nice a guy to do that to you.
Instead, I'll just accept your apology.
You wrote....
"Actually, your just lying and hoping to pick up a few converts...dreamer.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
Captain Negative at 2:36AM on Jun 23rd 2008
51. Marie, I must point out that the man who did that, "disservice," to his client was not, Cenk.
Is it more than a, "disservice?" Are there circumstaces where an attorney can ethically advise a client to plead "guilty" when it is not so?
The peson who gave that advice writes under a pseudonym, so it is a "hypothetical" question.
Captain Negative at 2:54AM on Jun 23rd 2008
52. CN
Waiting for you to lay out your delussional 9/11 plot in a post. Or maybe you can spell out your delusions on how USA will go to war with Iran.
CN you rant and rave and go on about your delusions but never spell them out.
They put people in padded cells for having wild delusions.
Come on CN, I think many would love your explaining your 9/11 conspiracy theory and your WW3 with Iran theory.
Robert OKane at 3:08AM on Jun 23rd 2008
53. Okane, the best you can do is say that Bill Clinton disagrees with me on 9-11. Bill Clinton and I didn't agree on NAFTA either. But then, Bill Clinton didn't consult me on either matter.
Okane, no matter who was behind it, 9-11 was the catalyst of some very dramatic events which followed it.
Everything which has come to pass since 9-11 has been based on bush-cheney Junta LIES. i.e. 'wmd's' and 'anthrax - which came from the u.s. government' etc.
If you think that Osama bin Ladin planned and executed 9-11 from a cave in Afghanistan, with a laptop, you're just naive.
All I ever hear from you and yours is, "Dick wouldn't be involved in something like that." Oh, and the guys who can list half a dozen military mos's and claim expertise.
You probably think David Copperfield really made the Statue of Liberty vanish and then put it back.
“Only the small secrets need to be protected.The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity.
….Marshall McCluhan
Captain Negative at 3:58AM on Jun 23rd 2008
54. Just in from "The Conspirator Times":
The United States & China have signed a pre-war pact stating when Israel nukes Iran China will hold Russia at bay in return for being allowed to resume lead toy imports & soy packed fish substitutes explicitly to California.
The two pronged pact was attacked by liberals as a means to wrench away the highest democratic electorate stronghold by polarizing voters into pulling the wrong lever in the upcoming election.
Republican leaders argue the soy content will offset any hazards of ingesting lead ingredients & accuse liberals of stalling their conquest of world domination.
Europe has agreed to sit on the sidelines for double coupon carbon credits.... Stay tuned..
Bobby at 4:10AM on Jun 23rd 2008
55. Bobby seems to be predicting that the U.S. is *not* going to attack Iran.
Or maybe his, "wit" indicates his belief that Russia and the republicans best international buddy, Communist China, don't care if the U.S. pulls off another Strong-Arm Robbery in the Middle East.
I hope that future generations of little Bobby's and Bobettes enjoy their tours of duty.
Communist China might just decide to put the U.S. out of business. They could call in their loans. They could pressure other countries to do the same.
Bobby could be in a bread line.
Captain Negative at 4:57AM on Jun 23rd 2008
56. CN_same old Bull Shit, over and over, but no answers.
Ask CN to spell out his 9/11 delusions, and you get Bull Shit
Ask CN to spell out his WW3 with Iran delusions, and you get Bull Shit.
Captain Negative, maybe you should change your name to a name that would have the initials BS, instead of what you have now CN.
Now that the Democrats are screwing up in Congress, have approval rating of 19%, Captain has now disowned the Democrats in Congress.
A few who post here list their mos's which at least indicate they have some knowledge of what happened on 9/11 because they can relate to it from their experience. But you Captain Negative, how does your Private Eye Investigator tin you carry give you any expertise in the events and circumstances surrounding 9/11????????
How does you experience of catching a cheating husband give you the experience and background to sort out what happened on 9/11??????????
Those whom you talk down to who can list a half dozen mos's are certainly more qualified than you are when it comes to the events surrounding 9/11.
Robert OKane at 5:47AM on Jun 23rd 2008
57. Marie Noguerole & Captain Negative : An attorney is required to explain to a client what the options are and what are the consequences. An attorney is required to act in the best interest of the client.
For that reason, attorneys often offer unpalatable advice to clients. It goes with the job. It would have been bettr for me, financially and professionally, to have taken my client's case to court. Beating a federal prosecutor, with all his resources, puts quite a feather in your cap.
If my client was facing imprisonment, that might have changed the picture but it was a technical violation of a minor law that meant the payment of a hefty fine. To fight the case would have required my client to pay, in legal fees and expenses, more than twenty times the fee, at best.
The case could be won but the cost of winning would bankrupt my client.
His reputation would not be hurt by plea barganing and payment of the fine because everyone in this business knew that this particular statute was a "catch 22" statute.
Under these circumstances, what would you advise?
longwalker at 5:49AM on Jun 23rd 2008
58. Obama's Presidential Seal
Now when Obama speaks from behind a Podium, there will be a fake Presidential Seal with Obama's name on it, for all to see. Boy, what an ego.
American Flag-maybe Obama's has an idea to change the American flag, somehow getting his face on the flag.
Oh say can you see Obama etc
This follows his long standing lie on Pulic Finance.
Obama lied about ever being a Muslim, and Obama lied about never being brought up as a child in the Muslim religion, then writes about it in his book.
Robert OKane at 7:30AM on Jun 23rd 2008
59. and if the Presidential election were between Obama and Bush and it were held today, the Obama Boy would be the loser.
OhReally at 8:41AM on Jun 23rd 2008
60. CN,
I'll give you ten to one odds that your fears won't be borne out with the United States launching a unilateral pre-emptive strike against Iran under any circumstances.
The international community along with the IAEA are going to call most of the shots on this one, so let your theories & your brain rest for awhile.
If indeed Israel acts out alone that will be on Israel's plate & hopefully with total intelligence justification. The absence of diplomacy of Aramadamadingdong might write a check his ass can't cash just like Saddam. Rest assured, we won't be leading the charge unless Iran did something really foolish.
I've always said Iraq was the biggest PR fuckup in the history of the world. A different diplomatic approach instead of putting all our eggs into the WMD basket would have given us the necessary room to call this conflict what it is today,, "Iraqi Freedom". We would have garnered far more international support while saving grace for democracy.
I like a good conspiracy,, you take it too far...
Bobby at 8:55AM on Jun 23rd 2008