46. Boy, gullibility comes from never studying American or World History and never studying civics or the constitution.
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No, gullibility is usually a lack of experience in dealing with individuals who profess their best interests are more valuable to them than common sense. Getting told what you've been taught in school and not from your parents or experience and thinking that things will magically change over night, that we will be loved by the world and all that has to be done is elect a 2/3 term US Senator will put us in the land of milk and honey is gullibility and its found in more 'educated' people than uneducated.
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If you're a survivor you'll get to where I am, and if not, rest in peace - your responsibility, not mine.
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Probability Clif...nothing on your part other than genetics and happenstance. Responsibility is just common sense applied to circumstances. When your number is pulled, no need to discuss where or why.
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That said, the only place where young people aren't responding to Obama's message is at your talking point station.
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Where is my 'talking point station' Clif? Do you know or you assuming? Supposing I did have one, am I listening because I agree with what I hear or because its trendy and who you associate with will only do so if you follow the herd?
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You are very disrespectful of those who are young. They aren't all what you apparently were when you were coming up to think what you do of them.
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Shirley you jest. I was young and I know how you think and act. Everyone that's young wants to change the world and make it better. Experience is the arbiter of exuberance vs. pragmatism.
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Where do you think all that money the Obama campaign came from, jesus?
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No, old people, Rezko, Hollywood, former lobbyists, but not young people. I know that old people control more wealth than aany other portion of the population, plus 90% of blacks supporting Obie donated plus the liberals who just want to be back in power. Why do you think Obie went back on his pledge to accept federal campaign funds? $225 million reasons good enough?
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Obama is the young person's candidate, and mine because he and his party have foresight and a proven track record where republicanism can think only for the moment to hold the double standards that constitute republicanism.
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That whole statement was out and out horsecrap. Foresight and double standards are the hallmark of the Democrat party since when? JFK, LBJ, JEC, WJBC? Out of that RMN was the bad seed? Your party has no standards, therefore its fairly easy to meet those and I will stand in line to admit that those republicans who violated standards are no longer in office despite the fact had they been in yours, nothing would have been of consequence for their actions.
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None of the foofery is moving the marker this year and doing more of it won't either. Go vote and I will too.
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If that's true, then McCain will win. I plan on voting, its the only means I have of ensuring my views and beliefs will contiinue in this country.
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Do your babymama fist jabs if you think it will help.
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Get something new Clif or copyright it. I think only you actually have a clue as to what it means and even you keep changing it. It's a bit trite anymore.
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Clif Kuplen at 9:03PM on Jul 4th 2008
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Yes it was and no doubt will be again.

Dedmanrisn at 10:24PM on Jul 4th 2008

47. Explanation - I believe "Babymama" is an old Beach Boys song. And I'm pretty Sure Cenk, Cliff and the Cap were the only ones in America taking the Fox and Friends/"Terrorist Fist Jab" joke seriously. But, they digress....

Dave at 11:43PM on Jul 4th 2008

48. This is news? So what? The George Soros funded bozos at media matters caught Fox in 'VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRICY' - an icon of the dying lefty media had bogus 'evidence' on a sitting president and that wasnt news, the dailykook puts out a fraudelent birth certificate for Saint Bareback the Redeemer and thats not news. The pictures of two dingleberries of the NY Times get altered and the world must stop...

Big Daddy at 11:47AM on Jul 5th 2008

49. No, old people, Rezko, Hollywood, former lobbyists, but not young people.

xxx

Every statement you make is false, but this one is glaring. There may be worse but this one threw the circuit breaker.

This dismisses you as either completely and I would say abysmally uninformed or you are simply on a foxnews mission to distort the truth. Obama has raised millions on campaign contributions averaging $98 per person.

This has saturated the news for months on end and I doubt you could have missed it. Moreover, he's taking no taxpayer money. I have to pay into bush and busher's campaign but you don't pay for Obama's.

Mcsame is taking anything that comes his way. There are a total of 124 corporate lobbyists in his campaign including 52 associated with foreign despots. He's the one with dirty hands, not Obama, and as you know the dirty hands thing goes back at least as far as Keating.

If your lies were true, that would drive the $98 average down even more.

But let's assume everything you said, whatever it is, is true and none of the polls, and they all say that obama is master of the young vote are true either.

Come November, you got some 'splainin' to do.

But in your case it's rationalization. Shoot off your rev babymama fist jab young people love mccain while you can, and you can find a scapegoat of some kind come november.

I stand by 100% of what I said to you in the last post.

And a Terrorist rev hussein babymama hussein fist jab to you. don't forget to foxvote. Or do you all call it dittovote?

Clif Kuplen at 1:08AM on Jul 5th 2008

50. I take that to mean you believe what Cenk points out is a sign of the Bush times, is something that will go away and we go back to happy, happy Demcorat times.

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then have an argument with yourself and I'll bet you'll win.

You've been programmed to react to an orchestrated opposite of what you're told to believe is true.

It's called 'framing both sides of an argument'.

So you can have it with yourself. Meanwhile, I'm voting for Obama, which is what this is ultimately about.

In reality, freedom of the press and journalistic integrity are far more complex than that.

Dittoheads don't do nuance. Focused people aren't interested in play acting with you or discussing your babymama fist jabs. That stuff is meaningless.

If you want to talk about closing the Enron loophole, that's another issue. That will certainly knock gas prices down right now. Windfall taxes worked the last time, too.

If you want to talk about an issue, democrats have fixes for immediate relief of $5 per gallon gas and your party doesn't.

Clif Kuplen at 1:35AM on Jul 5th 2008

51. I think you may have missed the same lessons in civics and history and listened to your ditto heads.

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If so, I would not be in the party that is trying to reprise 1890, 1914 and 1929.

I would have noticed our slippage in everything American since 1980.

You don't get history from dittohead sources, you get the stuff you try to pawn off here.

You have no idea what happened politically at those dates, so off you go again to hand your nuts, your money and your future to bush and busher.

I'm talking issues that will either give you a future or a sentence and you're spouting american idol tv crap. If that's all it takes to get your vote throw it away for all the good it'll do you.

I was serious. If you don't know your past blunders you'll do 'em again and expect different results.

Clif Kuplen at 1:52AM on Jul 5th 2008

52. This last poster I answered seems to think that it's ok for fox to distort the news so long as all cable news and nbc, cbs and abc are more distorted. That makes at least two, maybe more.

So distortion's good and if there's more distortion, that's even better. It's kind of like information homeopathy. The less information in a newscast, the more informed you are.

...makes me wonder what their sex lives are like.

Clif Kuplen at 2:03AM on Jul 5th 2008

53. Wow! The way the fascists are going APE SHIT, you'd think somebody altered photos of Jesus O'Rielly.

"Go to dailykos or moveon much?{
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No, ass-wipe, I never go to those sites.

Okane, you can blow me.... Again.

Dave, whimpers...

"And Cenk, Cliff and the Cap are apoplectic about Fox News because Fox is killing the competition and actually having something resembling an intelligent debate on the issues."
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You're out of your fucking mind, Dave. I don't watch any cable new networks.

Only asshole, Fux Noise devotees care if those nazis are more popular. Noted that in the first post.
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Deadguy, I rarely bother to read your posts. You're the biggest hypocrite of the bunch, you sanctimonious prig.

Captain Negative at 6:12AM on Jul 5th 2008

54. Barak Hussein Obama and Hagee support

On June 10,the little Muslim,Hussein Obama, had a meeting with Religious Right and Religious Left leaders in an effort to get their support.

As with other meetings, Hussein Obama, the names of who were asked and attended were kept a secret. The Religious leaders were told the meeting was "off the Record" and the news media was not allowed at the meeting.

Another example of Hussein Obama's open government change we can expect? Secret Meetings.

Hagee, is on Hussein Obama's list of Religious Right Leaders he is seeking to get an endorsement from. Hagee was not at the meeting, but we do not know if he was asked because Hussein Obama kept that list of who was invited away from the eyes of the voters.

Steven Strang was invited and attended.
Who is Steven Strang?? Strang is on the board of the " Christians United for Israel", a Rev Hagee's organization. Strang is also a Right Wing Publisher who has published books for Hagee and President Bush.

Hagee and Hussein Obama, what an interesting pair. McCain dumps Hagee's endorsement, Hussein Obama is at Hagee's back door, secretly seeking Hagee's endorsement.

Secret meeting and Hussein Obama-we do not need that change.
Huffington Post released this story.

robert okane at 9:57AM on Jul 5th 2008

55. Left Wingnuts & Hussein Obama's Iraq Surrender.

Hussein Obama swore on a Koran that when he takes office, he will remove the troops from Iraq.

Now Hussein Obama is saying that in 16 months or so he will remove the troops from Iraq-maybe-if it is safe for the troops to make that retreat and al-Qaeda does not again become a threat.

Left Wingnuts are not happy. They pinned their hopes on ending the Iraq war on a Muslim, turned their attack dogs loose on Hillary, to get Hussein Obama the nomination for President because he promised to end the war immediately.

On Oct 2, 2002 Marilyn Katz and Carl Davidson, old Marxist radicals and former members of the radical Students for Democratic Society, had an anti war demonstration at Federal Plaza in Chicago to protest
the pending conflict with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Jesse Jackson was the headline speaker along with Hussein Obama.

Hussein Obama rode his 2002 anti war speech to that crowd and his unwavering position against the war that formed the core of his support that got him in the US Senate and now the Dem nomination for President. At that anti war rally Hussein Obama said "I don't oppose all wars. What I oppose is dumb
wars"

Hussein Obama has "refined" his position on immediate surrender and retreat to 16 months of removing the troops, with no bases left standing, and option of sending troops back into Iraq should al-Qaeda become a threat "again", and to rebuild bases since he destroyed all bases for our troops when he removed the troops.

Hussein Obama has the Left Wingnuts hopping mad over his "retreat from retreat' policy and could just turned their backs on their turncoat leader.

robert okane at 10:31AM on Jul 5th 2008

56. Captain - You have completely lost your mind. If you don't ever watch Fox or know much about them, why do you demagogue them so routinely? And your profanity just means you're out of good arguments. But, I think that's where you started.

Dave at 11:42AM on Jul 5th 2008

57. Obama is deceitfully brilliant..

His campaign has already dissected the votes into sectors. He has a LOCK on the radical left, the university crowd & minorities who would follow him to the river to set up the modern day version of "Jonestown".

Obama doesn't give a damn what these voters think at this point because he's relying on the deep hatred of the radicals & sense of false hope & entitlement from minorities & change of the reigning status quo from the 18-25 age sector.

He's plowing a row so hard toward the center right now because he knows that's where the election lies. Next you'll see him heavy on the campaign trail with Hillary & Bill beside him trying to salvage the majority female Left-Overs speaking on womens' rights.

Obama's desensitizing all these sectors with his waffling to disorient the masses on the issues because McCain's not willing to bury him. McCain's approach reminds me of Bush Sr. with his passive style against Clinton. If McCain continues to sit on his hands then come late Sept. or mid Oct. the stage will be set & McCain's last ditch effort to expose Obama will seem like an act of desperation or sour grapes. The swiftboat theory won't work this time around, in fact it'll probably have a reverse effect that the voters are savvy to. Obama's certain of the voting bloc in his hands now, all he needs to do is secure the "undecided".

To the intelligent open minded voter they have to decide if this representation is one of true "change" or massive manipulation of the worst kind. If the general public can't weigh in earnest what's taking place right in front of their eyes then perhaps we need this "change" to expose the dream concept of democracy & capitalism.

I'm digging in for the sacrifice of my life, I can survive 4 more years if it means wiping the slate clean. Sacrifice is cleansing & surfaces priorities...

Bobby at 11:43AM on Jul 5th 2008

58. Clif
In post #48 you state
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Mcsame is taking anything that comes his way. There are a total of 124 corporate lobbyists in his campaign including 52 associated with foreign despots. He's the one with dirty hands, not Obama, and as you know the dirty hands thing goes back at least as far as Keating.
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You knock McCain over money taken as if Hussein Obama is a pure as the driven snow. McCain has dirty hands and Obama does not.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"Obama's Lame Claim about McCains Money" Fact Check
June 20, 2008
Obama said McCain's campaign is funded by Washington lobbyists. Truth-PAC's and Lobbyists make up about 1.7% of McCain's total reciepts, and 1.1% of the RNC total reciepts

Clif, hardly touching on "dirty hands". Is that what your dittohead stated?

Obama says and voted for Public Financing for candidates, then he turns it down. Then Obama says he is against the smears and attacks from the 527 groups, then lets MoveOn spend millions of Soros and others money, attacking Hillary, and now McCain, with no end in sight.

Is this how Hussein Obama keeps his hands clean?

Hussein Obama campaign report $265 mil. raised through end of April, and 1.5 million donors in statement released May 6.
That is $160 avg donation per person

Obama's money sources that Obama will take money from include:
1-he takes money from others and has many unpaid advisers raising this money from groups of people,
known as "bundling". Obama has lobbyists working for him as "bundlers"
2-he takes money state and municipal lobbyists
3-employing "former Lobbyists" on the campaign is ok.
4-taking money from lobbyists wives is ok.

When Hussein Obama says he has not taken money from lobbyists, what he means he has not taken money directly from bank accounts of registered lobbyists.
National Review 5/08

Chief Strategist for Hussein Obama's campaign is David Axelrod who is Senior Partner at a lobbyist firm ASK Public Strategies, and is an unregistered lobbyist. Axelrod's firm has business in Illinois and in Washington DC.

Two of Hussein Obama's bundlers are top executives and listed on his web site. Obama's campaign was recently exposed as to have collected $213000 from individuals who work for oil companies and their spouces. Total of 6 big oil companies involved with the bundling of that money. Fact Check 3/08 and Center for Responsive Politics.

All in all Hussein Obama has some 14 registered lobbyists bundling for his campaign.

Some of Obama's bundlers
1-Mike Bauer-lobbyists who was suspended for praticing law for improperly taking money from a trust fund, and at the same time made political donations of #300000. Obama does not take issue with Bauer's unethical conduct.
2-Peter Bynoe-lobbyist was also involved in Tony Rezko fund raising.
3-Howard Gutman-registered lobbyist-bundler-lawyer, represented Bill Ayer's Weather Underground member Susan Rosenburg. He was Lobbyist of the year in 2006.
4-Creg Craig bundler-lobbyist. Foreign policy adviser to Obama campaign. Was lawyer of UN Sectary General Kofi Annan during Oil for Food UN scandal.
5-Jodi Evans-lobbyist-member of radical group CODE PINK.
6-Alexi Giannoulias lobbyist-hosted fund raisers for Obama. While loan officer at Broadway Bank, Chicago, loaned millions to convicted bookmaker and prostitution ring promoter, Michael Giorango.

Some of Hussein Obama's lobbyists-bundlers with shady pasts that the media did not touch. Instead the pro Obama media went after a McCain adviser, Charles Black who recently left McCain campaign over media attention.

Clif-you have some dittoheads advising you on McCains dirty hands.
Clif-before you point a finger at McCain's dirty hand, check to see if Hussein Obama's hands are not dirty.

robert okane at 1:21PM on Jul 5th 2008

59. Dave, I "watch" Fux Noise in the form of video clips when they do something STUPID, like openly wish for Obama's assassination.

Stick your hypocrisy, Dave.

You, "conservatives" need enemies to justify your beliefs. Without enemies you would have to think about just what it is that you like about Rush and Liddy and Governonr bush and Dead-eye-Dick.

Your leaders have ruined this country.

Captain Negative at 1:51PM on Jul 5th 2008

60. Secret meetings like the "energy policy" meeting Dead-eye-Dick held with the oil companies?

You're whining about, "secrecy?" The "Partiot Act" and "FISA" crowd is now going to whine about, "secrecy."

Typical.

Captain Negative at 1:51PM on Jul 5th 2008