31. "The neocons say that Governor bush will attack Iran if the republicans see that Obama is going to win."

Do you have a link to some supporting documents regarding this?

If so, I'd be interested in seeing it.

bob at 4:50PM on Jul 9th 2008

32. Lead, follow or get out of the way. A great saying. Our country is on the verge of recession due primarilly to the sub-prime lending practices of the mortgage industry and our total reliance on foreign oil from the middle east. We need to start drilling our own oil now and delelope a long range comprehensive plan for clean alternative fuels. Then we can get the h-ll out of the middle east and bring our troops home. Free us from slavery. Stop the subsidies to the oil company's and farmers and give them only if they are willing to develope clean fuels and wind and solar energy. Get a handle on the immigration issue now. There are millions of our own that need our assistance to get on their feet. Stop playing politics and start being statesmen. Neither party is willing or able to tackle these important issues. They like to call themselves leaders. The only thing I see them leading is the road to the destruction of our country. Lead, follow or get out of the way!

Don Stagnaro at 4:54PM on Jul 9th 2008

33. He is an audacious liar who hasn’t got a clue how to defend American against Islamofascism. He deserves to be ridiculed.

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anyone that mixes up islamic terrorism and corporatized government that preempts constitutionally ordained civil rights or thinks that they mix in any way is a dittohead per se.

Anyone who doesn't understand that neoconservatism is fascism without nationalism deserves more than ridicule.

But hey, maybe the poster's an atheochristian male child bearer who boxes in the WWF or is a wide receiver for the Celtics or something.

Clif Kuplen at 4:54PM on Jul 9th 2008

34. bob @#30

"The neocons say that Governor bush will attack Iran if the republicans see that Obama is going to win."

Do you have a link to some supporting documents regarding this?

If so, I'd be interested in seeing it.

bob at 4:50PM on Jul 9th 2008
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuUnFIpSb-4

Captain Negative at 5:07PM on Jul 9th 2008

35. Some of it came from here but obama was changed to 'hussein obama, etc. so it was taken from here or a similar source and modified more. It's just a run of the mill right wing hate and distortion blog.
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Kind of like a run of the mill left wing hate and distortion blog? Damn your bias gets so tiring comes from both sides doesnt it? Why couldnt you say that? Your are the individuals Obama is trying to get away from look at your posts "Ditto heads""Neocons" What unity do you represent? I guess it makes your chest poke out a little farther huh? Grow up

Joan Rite at 5:15PM on Jul 9th 2008

36. So, Joan, I guess you agree with Robert Okane and Terry that Obama is a "WOLD" in sheeps clothing.

Captain Negative at 5:20PM on Jul 9th 2008

37. #33

I listened to that twice, carefully. I didn't hear Kristol or anyone else say "bush will attack Iran if the republicans see that Obama is going to win".

I heard Chris Wallace ask if Kristol thought Bush would attack Iran if he thought Obama was going to win.

I heard Kristol reply (and I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact words) that Bush would probably "worry" that Obama wouldn't be tough enough on Iran. He then said he wouldn't speculate on what policy might be.

Earlier on Kristol expressed his belief that Bush would leave Iran to his predecessor with a "strong diplomatic coalition" in place.

Not exactly sure how that equates with your original statement, unless you're suggesting that because Kristol didn't reply with a categorical "no" to Wallace's question, it amounts to the same thing.

If so, that's a stretch.

bob at 5:28PM on Jul 9th 2008

38. Neither party is willing or able to tackle these important issues. They like to call themselves leaders. The only thing I see them leading is the road to the destruction of our country. Lead, follow or get out of the way!
Don Stagnaro at 4:54pm
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You are right it is pathetic they are both drowning in their own talking points and blaming each party. Just like it is on this blog look at the two gentlemen Clif an Capt. daily they use the "well he did it too" analogy and degrade a person with a "R" beind their name over and over again that it becomes mundane and predictable. Unity is a word that apparently does not apply to them, or its just more gratifying to call someone names. The hell with bringing everyone together and solving our great countries problems, lets just call each other "neocons".

Natasha R. at 5:28PM on Jul 9th 2008

39. 35. So, Joan, I guess you agree with Robert Okane and Terry that Obama is a "WOLD" in sheeps clothing.
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No I think Obama is moving away from the "fringe" but I believe that you are so engulfed with your own hatred towards a dreaded "R" that you don't care anything about the issues as long as an "R" doesnt become president. This is why Obama called out Moveon was because of the vitriolic substance represented by "some" including you. Just calm down

Joan Rite at 5:42PM on Jul 9th 2008

40. In November of 2006 the democrat party promised to bring change to America.. And change is what we got...

Since the democrats took control of the House and Senate , the price of Crude oil jumped from $60.73 to over $ 143.00 a barrel.

The Unemployment rate was 4.5% in Dec 2006.. It's now over 5.5%.

The consumer price index for all food inceased went from 4.8% from Jan 2007 to Feb 2008.

American households have seen $2.5 trillion inequity investment values evaporate between Jan 2007 and May 2008.

Since Jan 2007, median home prices were down 22.6% for detached homes, and 20.6% for condos.

Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.4 TRIILLION dollars since Jan 2007.

In Jan 2007 the Consumer Confidence Index was at 95.3 point. The Index now stands at 64.5

America voted for CHANGE in November of 2006, and we got it with the Democrat Congress.. Congress "NOT THE PRESIDENT" initiates all spending and tax legislation.

Can our nation survive more Democrat Change in November 2008? "Change may be the only thing we have left in your pockets". Wake up people...

Obama is an economic nightmare.. Are you aware that Obama comes from the "Most Deficit Ridden State in America" .. His home state is in the Worst fiscal crisis in the states history..

Jim2u at 5:52PM on Jul 9th 2008

41. Obama tried to hide his 3 week stay in Pakinstan from the public..While he was a college student. That's why he didn't want his passport information to get out..

Wonder what Obama learned while staying with these People..


It all sounds very innocent, "a college trip to Pakistan".

Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets.
One of the leaders that based his operation in Quetta, Pakistan was Usama Bin Laden (The Sheik).

Pakistan was on the banned travel list for US Citizens at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business.


There would be only a few reasons a young Westerner of the Muslim faith would travel to Pakistan in 1981:

To Participate in Jihad, which is the duty of every "True Believer".


For religious education in a Wahabbi sect, Saudi funded, Madrassa.

In order to purchase drugs from the drug marketplace.

Pakistan was not a tourist stop nor the place to hang out with someone's family in 1981.

Wonder where else Obama traveled.. Soon the public will find out i'm sure.. Wait and see what is exposed....Obama's passport is a gold mind to disclosing his past..

Jim2u at 5:52PM on Jul 9th 2008

42. Obama's "former" pastor and "spiritual advisor" Jeremiah Wright had him pegged: he is just another lying sack politician who will say whatever he thinks he has to say to get elected. Case closed.

grumpy at 5:56PM on Jul 9th 2008

43. Kind of like a run of the mill left wing hate and distortion blog? Damn your bias gets so tiring comes from both sides doesnt it? Why couldnt you say that?

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I've lived under encroaching fascism for thirty years and I've had enough of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove 'we get to frame the argument' political tactics. No more.

I don't read 'left wing blogs' nor would I agree with you what 'left wing' means.

I am voting for obama for a number of reasons, but it can be reduced to this.

I believe that the economy of the united states exists to serve our nation and her citizens.

I am voting for that.

Others believe the U.S. and her citizens exist to support a global economy and that the nation and her citizens' best interests are subservient to that.

I'm voting against that. It didn't work with the bushes or reagan for reasons I understand and I will vote accordingly.

Clif Kuplen at 5:59PM on Jul 9th 2008

44. Just like it is on this blog look at the two gentlemen Clif an Capt. daily they use the "well he did it too" analogy and degrade a person with a "R" beind their name over and over again that it becomes mundane and predictable

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Natasha, 'well, he did it too' is what the right wing uses to justify anything they do.

I'll bet you know that.

It's ok that fox distorts the news because CNN and the major nets don't practice competent journalism, torture's ok because terrorists torture and on and on.

If it's not that, then the buck always stops where? Why, Bill Clinton, of course!

We've had enough of that.

The only trick your party has is the rove 'You are ME tactic' - whatever you're guilty of, blame on the democrats.

That will get you the vote you already got, but that will not get your third bush term.

I oppose neoconservatism and fascism and libertarianism, I regard them all as un American for the same reasons people have throughout history and I don't want to be governed any more by a party that can't wage war or govern but campaigns perpetually while looting the treasury and running up the Communist credit card.

It is 100% about issues, but the issues I oppose as being antithetical to rule of law and constitutional government now reside in the republican party!

They are not conservative, they govern for the benefit of global corporatism and they can't even begin to provide us with security.

Their security plans are simplistic scams and non starters.

The republican party has become the depository for sociopathic failed utopian ideation and I've had enough of it.

Ike was a republican. Bush, just like his grandaddy is a fascist and a neocon and mccain is bush only busher, like dumb and dumber.

You love when Rove did it, but I guess it smells different when it's incoming, huh.

Clif Kuplen at 6:14PM on Jul 9th 2008

45. Since the democrats took control of the House and Senate , the price of Crude oil jumped from $60.73 to over $ 143.00 a barrel.

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and how do you see this as democrats being to blame.

Do you want to impose a windfall tax on everything over $40 a barrel?

The democrats do, and it worked last time when Carter put it in place ten months before leaving office. By 1988 there were no more windfall profits.

Do you want to close the Enron loophole like many democrats do or no?

How about a tax break for solar installations that get houses off the grid? Carter initiated it, Reagan killed it.

If he's supported it, we'd be thirty years farther along in clean energy propagation, but that is a LIBERAL idea, this here progress stuff...

When bush took office, do you remember how much oil was? I do -THIRTY DOLLARS A BARREL!!

I'm voting for Obama. You want mcsame, you'll get $7 per gallon gas along with it and endless war.

Clif Kuplen at 6:24PM on Jul 9th 2008