46. You still think I played ball for the cards and you think I'm confused? tsk tsk.
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Did I mention playing for the 'cards' or anything to do with a ball? Better hit rewind and turn your gain control up.
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Toodles, if it's so dumb, how come you can't answer any of it? You challenged a post and immediately fell of the issues and went all poopyhead personal.
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Oh Yoda, forgive me, it must have been the dark side that made me do it. I will give you credit for the rubberband/parietal lobes comeback, shows some experience in something. To quote the "Church Lady", could it have been.....SATAN?
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Once again, and I can support this point by point if you ever get done with the poopyhead calling,

McCain=Bush
Obama = Empty suit
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Obama's military strategy + a month or two = MCBUSH
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Yep, he's always a month or two behind the curve. There was that immediate withdrawl-rewind phased pullout-rewind-as the situation dictates-rewind-I'll invade Pakistan-rewind-We need to cooperate with our allies-rewind-Nafta sucks-rewind-we need to trade with our friends-rewind-FISA is wrong and I oppose it-rewind-I'm voting for FISA because its politically expedient-Black men need to take responsibility-rewind-pay Bill Cosby for ripping off his material-I'm not a muslim, I'm a Christian-rewind-get those ragheads off the stage, people will think I'm a Muslim-rewind-Dinesh was right, there are haters out there-rewind-I've been in that church for twenty years-rewind-I never heard a g*ddamn thing-rewind- Rev, Wright is my spiritual advisor-rewind-He's not the Rev. Wright I know-rewind-throw wright under the bus-rewind- Rev Flueger is my friend-rewind-put him next to Wright-rewind-my grandmother was a typical white person-rewind-g8ddamn, granny knows just what and how I was in the hood, under the bus-rewind-my uncles liberated concentration camps like Buchenwald-rewind-g*ddamn Russians and those honky uncles-rewind-I'm proud of my heritage-rewind-damn again, those cousins in Africa had to pop up now-rewind-I have experience-rewind-those 143 days the Senate were in session was a drag-rewind-I have fought for you in the Senate-rewind well, I was present even though I couldn't figure out that voting thing, but hey two outta...I was there dammit-rewind-Whatever they said, it was racist-rewind- maybe I should have watched the dude's video before I hired Bernie Mac-rewind- I don't approve of it, but he has the right to free speech-rewind-not if I have anything to do with it-rewind- The Jacksons are my friends-rewind-man Jessie said that right on cue, now the heat's off me for a week or so-rewind,I am against the Surge-rewind-the surge is working-roll credits, that's a wrap! Coming to a theatre or tv screen soon. "Obama Redux Pt. II, or how to invest in real estate without really trying." There ya go, Toodles.

Clif Kuplen at 9:40PM on Jul 16th 2008

Dedmanrisn at 10:48PM on Jul 16th 2008

47. Clif
While you are watching/reading/listening to the news be careful not to take a nap because you must have missed the al-Malki story on what he said about US Troops in Iraq.

Obama and al-Malki are not in agreement as you think you saw/read/heard.

Barack Obama's op-ed in the New York Times begins with a major misundestanding and follows with a dangerous pirouette.

His first paragraph reads: "The call by Prime Minister Nouri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity. We should seize this moment to begin the phased redeployment of combat troops that I have long advocated, and that is needed for long-term success in Iraq and the security interests of the United States."

Yet Maliki has made no such formal demand. Both Maliki and his security adviser, Muwaffaq al-Rubaie, have stated that they wouldn't endorse any agreement that might imply a permanent US military presence in Iraq. But neither they nor the Iraqi government as a whole has presented a demand for US troop withdrawal in the negotiations with the United States.

In fact, sources at the highest level in Baghdad tell me that the Maliki government doesn't want America to reduce its military presence in Iraq significantly before the next Iraqi general election at the end of 2009. This is also the position of Grand Ayatollah Ali-Muhammad Sistani of the Shiite clergy in Iraq.

For Obama to be in agreement with anyone is hard since he recently does not keep a position long enough for any agreement to be reached. Obama keeps changing his web site so what he says now is in agreement with what his web site state.

Obama's lack of any experience makes him a liability to the USA in dealing with matters of the military which he has proven to have almost no knowledge about.

Robert OKane at 11:15PM on Jul 16th 2008

48. CenK - I have to wonder exactly what qualifies you to critique the President's intellect. Perhaps, like GW Bush, you've got your MBA and maybe even a PHD? Maybe you've been one of those learned "research fellows" at some high-octane think tank. Or not.

And this entire wise-guy schtick reminds me of Al Franken's insufferable routine. Franken, who fancies himself the smartest, cleverest guy in the room, is now getting his comeuppance, as well as his head handed to him as he runs for the US Senate and is being exposed for the fraud and "lying liar" he is.

Cenk, just remember "pride cometh before a fall". John Kerry (harrumph) and Al Gore (sigh) found that out. You think you've got Bush all figured out, but I'm sure the man would run circles around you in just about anything. And all your petty little insults won't change that one bit.

Dave at 11:36PM on Jul 16th 2008

49. >>>Actually the burden of proof is already made to exhaustion. It's prima facie and available from the sources themselves. It's your duty to get up to speed with it.>>>

Clif, I really didn't expect anyone to comment on that dumb stuff I posted. My point was it's tiring listening to redundant sophmoric cliches'. If McCain should lose at least that'll be one consolation that I won't have to endure anymore.

On the other hand, McCain speaking before the NAACP today & the rev. Al speaking in favor widely differentiates the past perceptions of our much maligned president & the intent of McCain the candidate.

According to democrats, this alone would make him the antithesis of Bush...

Bobby at 11:46PM on Jul 16th 2008

50. What I wouldn't do is make such a thoughtless comparison. If for no other reason than to not appear to be a total boor.
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bob, you've made a lot of thoughtless comarisons on these threads, and you've appeared to be a total boor many times.
I'm sure you know that I was not in any way
comparing Cenk's vacation with Gary's Iraq
service.
My point was simply that because of Gary's service,
he seemed to feel entitled to make snide remarks
without being called out on it.

And you as well as anybody here should know that.

The notion that a vet should have more freedom
of speech than anyone else is absurd and I think
you would agree with that,except that as a
righty,you seem to think that if you appear
to be defending a soldier, that will make you
feel like you're a better American than me.

You are not a better American than me.

BOB JOHNSON at 12:10AM on Jul 17th 2008

51. you are one ugly writer cenk uygur...not in the literal sense, but rather literally ugly...i have to avert my eyes everytime i look at your ugly face!
could you be filled with any more hate for yourself and pretend it's hatred for Bush? i don't think so.

Pman at 12:14AM on Jul 17th 2008

52. Steve Domme, you can kiss my ass as soon as the Dead-Christo-fascist gets my dick out of his mouth.

You're just one more Internet asshole, making a lame-ass attempt to be a man by challenging someone to a fight from behind your keyboard.

Your type is a dime a dozen.

A military career is a fine choice for many people. Emphasis on CHOICE. I hope Gary is happy in his because pretty soon young men will be drafted again. I'm sorry that Gary and a lot of other people joined the military only to end up as security guards for Exxon Mobile. Don't bitch at me, you little punk! It's the bush-cheney junta that doesn't respect our military!

Gary swore to uphold the Constitution of these United States. If he doesn't want to do that, he should either resign his commission or complete his enlistment and get the fuck out.

Many a soldier has posted on these boards. Most of them don't blatanly pull the, "I'm a soldier so you can't criticize anything I say," card.

And he didn't say he was a soldier in his first post. He only said that after someone called him on his UN-AMERICAN bullshit.

And, speaking of bullshit..... Post your email address, tough guy.

Captain Negative at 12:16AM on Jul 17th 2008

53. You go Dave!

Dedmanrisn at 12:31AM on Jul 17th 2008

54. Once again, you've won, or maybe just tied Steve in that ignominious, nauseating race to the bottom of the internet, Cap. Feel better? Ugh. Please excuse me while I lose my cookies.

Dave at 12:53AM on Jul 17th 2008

55. Dave, you moron...

First you have to believe that Gary really is a soldier. Then you have to believe that Gary really is a soldier who just returned from Iraq.

I suspect that Gary is having a good laugh.

You wingnuts are CRAZY!!! I repeat, CRAZY!!!

This country is finished. It is finished because there are too many brain-dead idiots like Dave and Toodles and Steve who are totally clueless and unconscoiosly disloyal to our country and what we are supposed to stand for.

Yeah, wingnuts, I said you are unconsciously disloyal to our country and what we are supposed to stand for.

Captain Negative at 1:02AM on Jul 17th 2008

56. I apologize to all but Toodles and Steve for my coarse language and harsh words.

Otherwise, I stand by my post.


--Captain Negative

Captain Negative at 1:58AM on Jul 17th 2008

57. cenk, your kind of ad hominum drivel is what made air america go bust. its just a mean spirited piece of used toilet paper. but thats what soros pays you for. he's got the bucks to burn....btw, just a lil off subject tidbit. the 3 wealthiest men in the world are 2 liberals, buffet & gates, and a leftist, soros. maybe if i was rich i'd feel guilty too. but i doubt it...

mike at 2:03AM on Jul 17th 2008

58. But neither they nor the Iraqi government as a whole has presented a demand for US troop withdrawal in the negotiations with the United States.

xx

I think we all knew that, I certainly did, but the story still has legs because there has been more than one overture and it has elicited a response from the white house - two, in fact. It is going to be a problem. They're there for the oil so there's no way they want to leave, probably ever.

xxxx

For Obama to be in agreement with anyone is hard since he recently does not keep a position long enough for any agreement to be reached.

xxxxxx

Obama's positions on the war were very well known to anyone who wanted to know, or who actually listened to the pre-primary debates and they have not changed. The mcbush military strategy has changed to Obama's, though.

Everything he proposed was at the time derided by the mcbush but after things quiet down, the mcbush does what Obama says they should do. Constructively, Obama is now America's military strategist.

This is even when the mcbush says they want to 'disinvest' american business in Iraq, but when it was the Obama Brownback bill, they opposed it. It was appeasement to talk to Iran until today.

I heard on tv that back when he was mccain, there is no major piece of legislation he authored that he hasn't repudiated.

I don't know if it's true but it wouldn't surprise me.

Clif Kuplen at 2:28AM on Jul 17th 2008

59. According to democrats, this alone would make him the antithesis of Bush...

Bobby at 11:46PM on Jul 16th 2008

xxx

No, we don't see stuff like that in on off terms.

It's a step away from bush, but towards people who are a little jealous of obama, but he went the same way into dominionism and many if not most of those people think blacks bear the mark of cain.

Given that he voted against the MLK holidays, I assume some are branding that as a flipflop or political expediency, for all the 2% (real numbers as of today!) of the black vote he's wooing.

Clif Kuplen at 3:10AM on Jul 17th 2008

60. "The notion that a vet should have more freedom
of speech than anyone else is absurd and I think
you would agree with that,except that as a
righty,you seem to think that if you appear
to be defending a soldier, that will make you
feel like you're a better American than me.

You are not a better American than me."

All your incorrect assumptions aside, the bottom line, again, is you equating someone's vacation with someone else's active military service.

Nobody forced you to use that particular comparison to make your point. You chose to use it yourself.

And apparently you still stand by it.

Keep digging, Bob. You're about shoulder deep in it now.

bob at 6:38AM on Jul 17th 2008