We just saw on Strollerderby that John McCain, an adoptive father himself, recently said the following, as quoted in the New York Times, "I think that we've proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no, I don't believe in gay adoption." Strollerderby goes into all the reasons why this is ludicrous, and how gay adoption has been shown again and again to produce kids just as happy and healthy as those in straight adoptive homes. If you want to humanize this topic, just check out this amazingly great blog by two men who are foster parents to a toddler.
But it reminded us of something John Edwards (remember him?) said back in the day.
In that seminal debate discussion of gay rights led by Tim Russert, Edwards said:
I suspect my two younger children, Emma Claire, who's 9, and Jack, who's 7, will reach the same conclusion that my daughter Cate, who's 25, has reached, which is she doesn't understand why her dad is not in favor of same-sex marriage. And she says her generation will be the generation that brings about the great change in America on that issue.
He may be right. Because it's not just Democratic kids who don't have a problem with gay marriage; plenty of Republican children are as socially liberal as foxy Meghan McCain (heck, she even watches bisexual dating show A Shot at Love, as GQ discovered).
We'd be willing to bet that in another generation or two gay marriage will not only be legal, but also that people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Reader Comments ( Page 1 of 30)
1. We'd be willing to bet that in another generation or two gay marriage will not only be legal, but also that people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
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I hope you're right, but I've been thinking that about pot for about forty years now.
Clif Kuplen at 11:57PM on Jul 17th 2008
2. Gay marriage? Does anybody out their that is a Christian like myself know what God our heavenly Father has to say about this subject. Yes, he loves everybody, but not necessarily the lifestyle. Read your Bible. It really is not that hard to understand if you just take a while and study. Romans Ch 1 for starters may help. Gay, Lesie's or whatever ,is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED TO GET ANY MORE CONFUSED THAN THEY ALREADY WILL. GO JOHN MCHAN I AM WITH YOU 100%
Marsha Coats at 12:15AM on Jul 18th 2008
3. Marsha, what happened to the idea of 'Judge not, lest ye be judged'? You aren't these people, you don't live their lives, or think their thoughts. So why are you judging them, like a good Christian should?
Not to mention that not everyone believes in your god, or even a god. Who gave you the right to push your beliefs onto them, and force them to live by words that hold no truth?
Might I remind you to re-read Matthew. You know, where it says the truly faithful and pious will not yell about their love for god, and brag about their righteousness, but will go into their chamber, and shut the door and pray in private.
Yes, the bible says for you to pray in private, not shove it down everyone else's throats. Keep that in mind.
Macha at 12:42AM on Jul 18th 2008
4. Marsha, as a fellow Christian, it is my duty to set you straight and back on the narrow path that you are called to follow. Let's start with the First Two Commandments and then go from there. In regards to your post. I only ask you to read with an open mind on this one.
"Gay marriage? Does anybody out their that is a Christian like myself know what God our heavenly Father has to say about this subject."
I know what he says......Nothing. He says nothing about two people of the same sex that are faithful, monogomous and in love with each other. Marsha as a Christian, let me ask you why you are concerned about other peoples sex lives? You aren't supposed to think that way.
"Yes, he loves everybody, but not necessarily the lifestyle. Read your Bible. "
I kindly ask you to go back and read the very Bible you are speaking of. You are specifically called to Love everyone. Don't just say it, but do it. Then you will come to realize that what you have been following has been wrong and you became bigoted and divisive from it.
"It really is not that hard to understand if you just take a while and study. Romans Ch 1 for starters may help. "
Obviously it is very hard for you, because you still don't understand the Bible. You have been taught wrong, and you are living it wrong. This might go over your head, because you won't be able to see past your discrimination, but did you know that heterosexual acts are just as forbidden as gay acts? Yes indeed Marsha. Put God first, and then the rest takes care of itself. If you are attracted to the same sex and in love with someone of the same sex, I guess it is just meant to be.
"Gay, Lesie's or whatever ,is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED TO GET ANY MORE CONFUSED THAN THEY ALREADY WILL. GO JOHN MCHAN I AM WITH YOU 100%"
Very sad to read this from a person that calls themself a Christian. Boy are we losing our way in the world.
Marsha, let me leave you with this.
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." Matt 7 13-14
and finally
"Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in. On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, “We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles.” But I will tell them, “I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!” Matt 21-23
Botts at 1:26AM on Jul 18th 2008
5. gay adoption tears the traditional family apart thats ? satan wants also it confuses kids @ an age they d/n their dad or is sleepin the same bed w/same sex if adults want 2 screw their on head-up d/n screw the kids head-up AMERIA please!!!
tammy at 1:42AM on Jul 18th 2008
6. Jesus his own personal new testament four times quoted self said nothing about being gay.
I don't think Paul was a real person, but if he were, he or whoever wrote the epistles wrote like he was gay, and a gnostic, too. And he certainly didn't get any word from jesus about being gay since jesus had no thoughts on the subject.
However, we can find some other proscriptions everywhere you look in the laws and letters for an anti gay quote that are somehow not so ok with you - just the basheth gay part.
Wanta play bible karate?
Clif Kuplen at 1:42AM on Jul 18th 2008
7. i messed-up,what i was trying 2 say was it messes a kid up @ a young age & they do/n understand why dad or mom is sleeping in same room/bed w/ the same sex. remember how gross thought it was when we pict. our mom/dad 2 gether just image how the kids must feel w/same sex parents.
tammy at 1:51AM on Jul 18th 2008
8. Please, give me a break. Homo's and kid's; might as well be Catholics. It's allright, let's let the asshole Obama ruin the country already so we can rebuild. In my neighborhood we have an "arrest the black man" program, since crime around here is caused by one ethnocentric group. an you guess which one??? I guess recognizing who is committing the crime around here makes you a racist. Good thing I've got a shotgun, which has already been used to prevent a crime. Guess who the "homeboy" was that I used it on was?
Jeff
jeff at 3:14AM on Jul 18th 2008
9. Jeff, do the world a small favor and DONT use that shotgun on yourself. Rather, proceed to your nearest library and read, read, read. You need to be educated, son. Talk like that gets you nowhere, fast. I feel sorry for you. :[
Ryuuku at 3:57AM on Jul 18th 2008
10. I continually am amazed at how stupid the average aol user is. I have never read so many stupid and racist crap in my life. The guy bragging about the gun: you should be in jail. I'm sure you already have served time. Who cares if two parents are of the same sex. If they can love an unwanted child, then why not?
sdudek1490 at 5:05AM on Jul 18th 2008
11. I lived and worked in the east village for years. I became friends with my straight and gay neighbors. It is not my business(or anyone elses) what they liked or did in their homes and this is supposed to be a free country. They all just want to be equal. I kept hearing their complaints about "breeders" and that straights need to "get over it". Most of the "gay bashing" I saw was started when a gay was throwing the lifestyle in someones face. Gays wanna be treated equally, which is fine. They have come a long way in that area over the years. Now they are starting to go backward because its getting annoying. You want to be equal but demand special days, parades, want theme parks to have gay weeks. Rosie Odonnell has a Gay-only cruise. A 6ft3 man walking aroung manhattan in animal print spandex and a belly shirt cries gay bashing and has a fit because he was laughed and stared at. I was laughing at him with everyone else. Being gay had nothing to do with it, he was acting like an ass and looked ridiculous. When his temper tantrum peaked he slapped a biker guys girlfriend then made the mistake of pushing the biker. As they loaded him in the ambulance he kept telling the cops he was attacked for being gay, and it was a hate crime. This was in a mostly gay area and a dozen people said they saw it happen and they wanted the biker arrested. Being NYPD before I joined FDNY I know where the line is between self defense and assault. Even though the biker gave him a brutal beating, he didnt cross the line and stopped when the guy couldnt get up. A girl got the whole episode on her video phone so the biker wasn't arrested and could have pressed charges but didnt. Not one of the gay witnesses told the cops the truth and would have sent this guy to jail. These are not the type of people that should be allowed to raise children
NY bravest FDNY at 5:45AM on Jul 18th 2008
12.
in response to:
“I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!” Matt 21-23
I thought God was supposed to be loving and forgiving? You guys want and expect everyone else to live their life according to god and the bible, that they are going to hell if they dont. Well heres a tip for the bible quoters. If you believe that, and its true, you will meet them in hell yourselves, you use only the parts of the bible that suit you to be gods judge, insult and hate some of his creatures. Your going against 2 parts of the bible and following 1. love thy neighbor, gods creatures, people of all religions.
I must have missed sunday school the day they covered this. I wasnt aware it was OK to use the bible to spew hatred.... Your going to Hell also, or maybe youre already there and don't know it yet.
You religious nuts are bigger hypocrites than the gays youre bashing. and what you are doing is just as much, if not more of a sin.
NY bravest FDNY at 6:16AM on Jul 18th 2008
13. NY Bravest,
Did you even read my post dude?
That quote that I put up from Jesus was directed to Marsha. That quote from Jesus is about him talking to other Christians, not Gays. That quote represents how only a very few will ever get to see the kingdom, and the reason is because they followed wrong.
Marsha is an example of following wrong.
As Christians, we are called to Love everyone, no matter who they are, what their faith is, and what they do.
Not only that, the Bible says nothing about Two Gays being together in a faithful, loving relationship.
I suggest you go back and read my post.
Thanks,
Botts at 7:27AM on Jul 18th 2008
14. McCain said a child needs two parents. Does that mean he doesn't support single parent adoption? He needs to clarify. More single people - primarily women - are choosing to adopt without a spouse/partner.
I would like to hear McCain's answer here. The Bush administration always took a disdainful view of anyone who was a single parent, without being blatant about it.
David S. at 7:46AM on Jul 18th 2008
15. To NY bravest FDNY
Funny thing but, I know gay firemen and cops and marines. No different from you. You'd never know!
As to your leopard print fag, well, freaks come in all shapes, sizes and colors...and sexes.
I teach. I've taught for 20 years or so. You can always tell which kids have two loving active (gay or straight) parents in their lives and which one come from abusive homes. I've NEVER had a child in my class from an abusive GAY home! They realize what a treasure that they have. They work twice as hard to give that kid the best!
And as for people who love to bash others in the name of Christ...you are worthless as Christians. Christ's point was to love thy neighbor as thyself...not LOVE WHOM IT IS CONVENIENT AND EASY TO LOVE.
Kit at 8:46AM on Jul 18th 2008