We just saw on Strollerderby that John McCain, an adoptive father himself, recently said the following, as quoted in the New York Times, "I think that we've proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no, I don't believe in gay adoption." Strollerderby goes into all the reasons why this is ludicrous, and how gay adoption has been shown again and again to produce kids just as happy and healthy as those in straight adoptive homes. If you want to humanize this topic, just check out this amazingly great blog by two men who are foster parents to a toddler.
But it reminded us of something John Edwards (remember him?) said back in the day.
In that seminal debate discussion of gay rights led by Tim Russert, Edwards said:
I suspect my two younger children, Emma Claire, who's 9, and Jack, who's 7, will reach the same conclusion that my daughter Cate, who's 25, has reached, which is she doesn't understand why her dad is not in favor of same-sex marriage. And she says her generation will be the generation that brings about the great change in America on that issue.
He may be right. Because it's not just Democratic kids who don't have a problem with gay marriage; plenty of Republican children are as socially liberal as foxy Meghan McCain (heck, she even watches bisexual dating show A Shot at Love, as GQ discovered).
We'd be willing to bet that in another generation or two gay marriage will not only be legal, but also that people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about.
Reader Comments ( Page 6 of 30)
76. Wow! The Freaks really come out when homosexuality is the topic.
Legally, the Bible has no bearing on the debate.
FACTUALLY, the Bible refers to homosexuality as "an abomination in the eyes of God". The Bible also uses the word "despicable" to describe sodomites.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is one of inclusion and forgiveness of sin. This includes us all, but while Jesus did not condemn, he also did not condone sin.
Hating homos will not change them.
We are all sinners, myself included.
Of course, I would rather chop off my genitalia than engage in homosexuality...way too degrading, dishonorable, and disgusting for my tastes.
When a Man truly loves another Man, he won't dishonor/degrade that Man.
Voice of Reality at 5:13PM on Jul 18th 2008
77. The heterosexual community is hardly in a position to lecture the homosexual community regarding child rearing or marriage for that matter. It is also unfortunate that some in the heterosexual community continue to try to define us in this culture. At this point in our history they are largely powerless to do so. We will continue to adopt and rear healthy and happy children.
Anthony at 5:18PM on Jul 18th 2008
78. Ryan...Oh, I'm sorry. Should I have included an analogy about Lesbianism as well?
I always know when my argument has succeeded...those in opposition resort to name-calling.
Yes, Lesbians are mentally ill also, and should never, no not ever be considered as adoptive parents.
The word is "Homosexuality", not "Homoamore".
It isn't about "love", it is about sexuality.
A heterosexual who is hung-up on sex is not a suitable parent either.
Nor are those who are scatophiles, necrophiles, trans-gender,obsessive/compulsive, Kleptomaniacs, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.
Voice of Reality at 5:21PM on Jul 18th 2008
79. Voiceof reality
Hate the sin,not the sinner.
mad african Christian at 5:28PM on Jul 18th 2008
80. "botts......you are DEAD wrong......the bible DOES say "men shall not lie with other men". Just what exactly do you think that means then? I think maybe you are the on e that needs to re-read your bible."
Well hello lilmisscantbewrong,
Unfortunately, you are wrong. This is a debate that you and other Christians that think like you can't win with me. I am right. This isn't me being self centered, egotistical or full of myself. I'm giving you the truth. The truth sometimes isn't easy, and as a matter of fact it can really mess with a person that is programmed in a way of thinking for substantial amount of time.
You have been taught by teachers,preachers and priests and have taken their word as the Gospel all the while ignoring the Gospel and not taking the Gospel as the Gospel.
People are bigoted at what they don't understand. And I what I do know about the Bible, is that it is so powerful, that you can find things in it to support your bigotry.
But eventually it catches up to you. It catches up to you when you meet Christians like me. We will stop it in it's tracks and put thoughts into you that goes against all the false teachings.
Nowhere in the Bible does it state that two people of the same sex that are in love with one another in a faithful relationship can't be together. You can't find it, and you never will.
Anything you see in the Bible in regards to Homosexual ACTS, is just that. Acts. And let me remind you, that Heterosexual ACTS are just as forbidden. When the Bible mentions these ACTS in regards to same sex, it is clearly indicating, that it is a SIN to live the opposite of what you are. Meaning, if you are a Heterosexual, it would be a sin acting the opposite.
What this also means, is that all the Gay men that married women for the sake of fitting in, are sinning as we speak. They are not living to how they were created.
You are looking at people in regards to how you think they have sex in the bedroom versus looking at them as people. And that is a very bad thing to do.
So it turns out lilmisscantbewron that you are now newly coinced lilmissisverywrong.
All the Best,
Botts at 5:37PM on Jul 18th 2008
81. V.O.R.
My lady friend once mistook her mandibular orifice for a sexual
organ....OK, lot's of times( me too - for her). I, along with most of the worlds population, have used my phalangical appendages for sexual organs
many, many times.
What you enjoy may not be good for someone else. Sex is so much more than genital/genital contact. Learn this, you may see an improvement in your love life.
mac at 5:50PM on Jul 18th 2008
82. If a Man is so confused as to mistake another Man's digestive system as being a sex organ, what else is his mind capable of rationalizing?
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That's plain dumb.
Does the skin serve multiple functions? Does the tongue have multiple functions? Does the mouth serve multiple funcitons? Does the vagina have multiple functions?
By your reasoning, you should never stick your penis in a vagina or any other cavity.
What else are you confused about?
Captain Negative at 5:58PM on Jul 18th 2008
83. 10. I continually am amazed at how stupid the average aol user is. I have never read so many stupid and racist crap in my life. The guy bragging about the gun: you should be in jail. I'm sure you already have served time. Who cares if two parents are of the same sex. If they can love an unwanted child, then why not?
sdudek1490 at 5:05AM on Jul 18th 2008
sdudek1490, i agree with you completely, and i'll take it one step farther an ask why americans are so fucking ignorant; if two men or two women want to raise a child together, who has the right to say they don't have the same right as any man and woman who want a child; if someone is willing to take a child out of a situation that is undesirable, and give it love and a stable home, why should it matter if the couple is gay; two of my friends, two guys, are seriously thinking about adopting a baby, they are both very excited, and i think they will be great parents for any child
rachel at 6:03PM on Jul 18th 2008
84. I think a child should be afforded a mother and a father, but it's my opinion - based on what wonderful parents I had. Perhaps if were raised with homosexual parents I would feel that two same sex parents can do a wonderful job. Since I am heterosexual I feel so strongly that being raised that way is best for a child.
Mara at 6:08PM on Jul 18th 2008
85. To all of you so-called Christians out there, wake up and smell the coffee! Would you rather see children being kept in abusive homes or foster homes where they look upon them as so much revenue per month, or being raised by caring, loving people who have gone out of their way to provide these children with a permenant home? Your so-called "morals" aren't worth anything if you would see children suffer and become abused rather than open your minds and hearts to those who are different than you. How many children have you adopted? Maybe if you had enough brain cells left to remember your own childhood, you would remember that everyone thinks their parents' sex life is icky & disgusting. I remember when my neighbor, who was several years older than me, told me the "facts of life." My first thought was "But I'm adopted, so I'm sure MY parents never did THAT! Nice people get their babies by adopting them." Although I was wrong about the first part, I still think that on the whole adoptive parents, gay or straight, are pretty wornderful people (including my own parents). Also, your stinking attitude makes me glad that I am not, and never have been, Christian.
LT
Lisa Thaviu at 6:08PM on Jul 18th 2008
86. "Hate the sin,not the sinner."
Mad African Christian,
If the person is in a loving, faithful, committed relationship, there isn't any sinning going on.
Stop focusing on the bedroom activities. Start focusing on the people. Then I believe you will start to understand.
Botts at 7:02PM on Jul 18th 2008
87. Mara, I was raised by two wonderful heterosexual parents and can appreciate your sentiments. However, the gay populace has fought hard to adopt children and will continue to do so. Many of these adopted children are healthy and well adjusted. Fortunately, for the gay community there are many research studies that support this claim, including many psychosocial longitudinal studies.
Anthony at 7:08PM on Jul 18th 2008
88. As for the comments regarding gay or lesbian individuals being "mentally confused", once again you seem to get off topic. We have clearly defined who we are as a community and what we want out of life. I have surpassed many of my heterosexual counterparts in education, athletics, currently manage a large team in a Fortune 500 company and make an annual salary that is approximately 5X the national average. I want to make it clear that I have not made it where I am by being confused about anything, nor has my community.
Anthony at 7:34PM on Jul 18th 2008
89. J-Being gay myself I plan to adopt with my partner and will provide our child with the very best life has to offer, including a loving and stable home. I agree that "A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila," is ten million times more disgusting. It is unfortunate, that in this day an age we are having this conversation. My hope is that our culture will continue to evolve to be more tolerant of the gay and lesbian community.
Anthony at 8:25PM on Jul 18th 2008
90.
I kind of agree with the voice of repulsion person... I don't believe in gay adoption either...let those darn gays raise themselves!
mac at 8:28PM on Jul 18th 2008