The issue of illegal immigration continues to be a never-ending tangled web of complexity that has remained on the minds of politicians for decades. Several attempts at immigration regulation, and countless proposed policies have failed to yield favorable results. However, with more than 12 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the United States, leaders in Washington think they have come up with the best answer: Voluntary Deportation!
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) will encourage all illegal immigrants to leave the country voluntarily, and the incentive to do so is basically nothing. All self-deporting immigrants would be granted a few weeks to pack their belongings and leave the country without spending any time in detention facilities.
There will be a formal announcement of the program next week.
Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum, released the following statement in response to the ICE program:
"Just when you thought the Bush Administration would ride quietly into the sunset, along comes another harebrained scheme that can't have been carefully thought out. We are not going to deport our way out of our current deportation mess, nor is it likely that most, or even many of the estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants here will choose to leave on their own."
I have to admit I agree with Noorani. Does the Bush Administration truly believe undocumented immigrants without criminal records would turn themselves into immigration authorities to go back to a country they ran away from? More importantly, why would they do so with no real incentive? The closest thing the Bush Administration has achieved in terms of "voluntary deportation" is creating an economy so terrible that many are probably thinking about leaving regardless of the new ICE program.
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46. "Whats to say they wouldn't blow up the next building you go into?"
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Hopefully, the next building they blow up will have *you* in it.
There hasn't been another similar attack because they haven't needed one. Their agenda was launched with 9-11.
Have you looked at today's financial news, Sandy? Israel is sabre-rattling again. It sent the price of oil up three dollars a barrel. War with Iran will further the neocon agenda. There will be no pulling out of the Middle East if war breaks out with Iran. Israel said if Governor bush doesn't attack Iran, they will.
The neocons launched World War III and Sandy, Okane and "Dan" aren't smart enough to realize it yet.
Captain Negative at 5:29PM on Aug 1st 2008
47. No Capt we dont have anything to "contribute" to your one man discussion. It is what it is "proofless" nobody cares but you and a very others you can take all the far left polls and talk about how many "real people" believe the inside job crap. It is right up there with bigfoot and Elvis. Nobody is attacking you. You are the one with some self esteem issues little fella. You paste some conspiracy crap up there and I am going to make fun of it. Then all you are reduced to is calling me ignorant or not wanting to "think". You call me a bitch again and you will be cheating on your left handed girlfriend with your right.
Sandy at 4:35PM on Aug 1st 2008
48. Has Capt. Neg or any other leftist douche ever bothered to check the date on Bin Laden's wanted poster that Capt. is referring to? It's dated 1999. Unless Osama has a DeLorean I don't think 9/11 happened yet.
Dave R at 5:10PM on Aug 1st 2008
49. Links to what, bob?
Seriously. I always do the work and sub-geniuses like Okane, Dan and Sandy snipe away. They contribute NOTHING.
On the evening of September 10, bush was in Sarasota, Florida. A Sudanese national named Zainlabdeen Omer reported that an associate named Ghandi had made assassination threats against bush. The next morning (9-11), the Secret Service raided a Sarasota apartment complex and interrogated three Sudanese nationals. They also raided a bueaty supply store in Sarasota. They interrogated several Sudanese nationals for several hours.
Governor bush's trip to Sarasota had not been publicly announced unti September 7th. On September 7th alleged 9-11 hijackers Mohamed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi ha traveled to Sarasota for drinks and dinner at a Hiliday Inn located two miles down the beach from where Bush was scheduled to stay during his Sarasota visit.
Just minutes after Governor bush finished reading, "MY Pet Goat" the Secret Service was advised of another threat against Governor bush and Air Force One. Air Force one took off from Sarasota between 9:55 and 9:57 AM. Shortly after takeoff, Dick Cheney informed bush of a, "credible threat" to Air Force One. (CBS, September 11, 2001) The Secret Service had received a threat saying, "Air Force One is next." The caller spoke in code words relating to Air Force One procedures. Colonel Mark Tillman, who was piloting Air Force One was informed of the threat and an armed guard was stationed at the cockpit door.
According to Bob Woodward, the White House had received a threat saying, "Angel is next."
That is significant because the code word for Air Force One changes every day. The source of the threat knew the code word. Surely, Bin Laden did not have the day's code word for Air Force One.
At 10:55 there was yet another threat to Air Force One. Colonel Tillman says he was warned that a suspect airliner was approaching Air Force One from, 'dead ahead.' Tilman said, "Coming out of Sarasota there was one call that said there was an airliner off our nose that they did not have contact with." Tillman took evasive action. (CBS September 11, 2002) (Dallas Morning News August 28, 2002) (Salon September 12, 2001)
Air Force One was left without fighter escort until 1:30 PM.
While at Barksdale, Governor bush received word of another threat. It was reported that a "high speed object" was headed for the bush ranch at Crawford, Texas. It turned out to be a false alarm. (USA Today, August 12, 2002)
There was a fire at the Old Executive Office Building which is where the offices of the National Security Council and the offices of Condolezza Rice and Ellito Abrams and others work. This was at 9:42 AM.
There was also a report of a cafr bomb going off outside the State Department at 10:20 AM. It wasn't true, but it changed the entire picture once more. (Daily Telegraph December 16,2001)
There was another report of an explosion in the parking lot of the Pentagon. There was a report of a fire on the Mall near the Captiol building.
"A threatening message received by teh Secret Service ws relayed to the agents with the president that, 'Air Force One is next.' According to the high official, American code words wre used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible." (William Safire New York Times, September 13, 2001)
At 11:30 PM, September 11, 2001, bush was already in bed, getting his shut-eye (on the day of the most devastating terrorist attacks)there was another threat against bush. He was taken to a bunker in the White House. Governor bush was quoted,
"And sure enough," said Bush. "We are in bed at about 11:30, and I hear a guy breathing quite heavily. 'Mr. President, Mr. President! There's an unidentified object heading toward the White House."
(Daily Telegrpah, December 16, 2001)
There is a lot more, but you can do your homework. The way to refute is to REFUTE, not say, "I don't believe it."
Captain Negative at 5:31PM on Aug 1st 2008
50. Once again the spin doctor only tells part of the story.
The illegal alien advocacy groups have been requesting this.
Why? These illegal aliens have alreaedy been caught, = and are subject to a court order which they have ignored.
Disobeying a court order is a felony and can mean time in jail, if you are picked up again. Then you get deported. If you come back into the US, and are caught, having been deported once, and having disobeyed a court order, you are looking at very serious jail time.. it can go up to 20 years.
So what the gov is offering is a get out of jail free card for the illegal alien's refusal to follow the court order.
Right now ICE is concentrating on locating, arresting, jailing then deporting those who are ignoring court orders. The danger of spending time in jail is very real.
Bettybb at 5:28PM on Aug 1st 2008
51. Yo, genius. You prove my point. That IS the offical "Wanted" page for Bin Laden. They haven't even bothered to change it.
Google it, DOUCHE!
Captain Negative at 5:32PM on Aug 1st 2008
52. My bad, it's was updated 11/2001. Capt. Neg is still a doofus. Maybe if you went and got a job you'd have less time for conspiracy theories.
diamonddave0000 at 5:33PM on Aug 1st 2008
53. "Links to what, bob?"
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Links to source documents, Cappy. You know what I was requesting. You always have them. So post them.
Post links to your irrefutable sources for this stuff.
bob at 5:42PM on Aug 1st 2008
54. Hopscotching across the country while the country was under attack, Governor bush vented his frustration with Secret Service officials who told him of an anonymous call saying: "Air Force One is next." According to a senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, the caller knew the agency's code words relating to Air FOrce One procedures and whereabouts. (Associated Press September 13, 2001)
"Within an hour, an anonymous call reached the Secret Service. Usig code words nown only to the agency's staff, the caller issued a chilling warning 'Air Force One is next.' (Financial Times (London) September 14, 2001)
Fux Noise (Fox News Sunday) Condolezza Rice confirmed the 9-11 threat against bush including the use of secret code.
Tony Snow: September 11 there was a report that there was a coded messagte that said, 'We're going to strike Air Force One' that was using specific coded language and made the threat credible. Is that true?
Rice: That is true.
Snow: So we have a mole somewhere?
Rice: It's not clear how this coded name was gotten. We'rea very open society and I dont' think it's any surprise to anyone that leaks happen. So, I don't know - if it's possible the code name leaked a long time ago and was just used.
Snow: How on earth would that happen?
Rice: I don't kmnow. I don't know. We're obviously looking very hard at the situation. But I will tell you that it wasw plenty of evidence from out point of view to hae special measures taken at that moment to make sure the president was safe."
Newsmax.com (even more "conservative than Fux Noise)
"U.S. officials have not ruled out the possibility that a government mole may have given terrorists the top secret code language they used to deliver the threat, 'Air Force One is next' as the World Trade Center and Pentagon were under attack." (Newsmax.com, September 23, 2001)
Captain Negative at 6:05PM on Aug 1st 2008
55. Yo, Dan, diamond dave and whomever... why not stick with one screen name?
You've seen the wanted poster. No mention of 9-11.
Seven years later. No indictment.
Governor bush turned down offer to have bin Laden handed over.
You and your girl Sandy have NOTHING. Do you have any older siblings who can help you two out?
Captain Negative at 6:05PM on Aug 1st 2008
56. Post links to your irrefutable sources for this stuff.
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I've posted sources for all of the information you asked for, bob. It does require that you actually read a bit.
I've cited mainstream media sources. I've cited Fux Noise and NewsMax.com. I've quoted Condolezza Rice, Tony Snow, Airi Fleischer, Bob Woodward, Air Force One pilot, Colonel Tillman and Governor bush.
But all I get in return for answering the challenges is ad hominem attacks from retards like Dan/DiamondDave and some bitch calling herself, Sandy, who says I'm not being attacked.
If I can be judged by the quality of my critics, it has been a good day indeed.
Now does anyone have any *factual* basis for contradicting Condi Rice, Governor bush, Newsmax, USA Today, the New York Times.....?
Captain Negative at 6:20PM on Aug 1st 2008
57. So now you're citing Fox and Newsmax.com? I guess any port in a storm, eh?
Putting those two sources aside, it does seem someone called something in. Whether it was credible or not - I guess anything that happened on that day could be deemed "credible".
So what are the other acts of terrorism that occurred on 9/11?
Please cite sources again.
bob at 6:20PM on Aug 1st 2008
58. Please cite sources again.
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Bob, why would I cite sources *again*? My posts were peppered with sources. You even mention some of them, like NewsMax and Fux Noise. Didn't you catch them the first time?
bob, I cited several incidents, like multiple threats to Air Force One which involved code words that only people high in the government could know.
Take for example, the report of a plane headed right for Air Force One. Who could know of such a plane, if indeed there was one, headed for Air Force One? Could terrorists locate Air Force One in flight?
Bob, I expect better from you. Instead, I get your usual tactic of just adding more questions without ever addressing a single issue on a factual basis.
Your turn.
Why hasn't bin Laden been indicted, nearly 7 years after the fact?
What is the evidence against bin Laden?
Why did governor bush risk having bin Laden pull off "another" terrorist act by turning down an offer to have him handed over to the U.S. (via a third country)?
Who could have known the code words which translated into "credible threats" against Air Force One?
Who could have tracked the flight of Air Force One in flight, in order to intecept and strike it (aside from the FAA and NORAD)?
No, I've cited Fux Noise many times. Usually for doing something retarded.
Yes, it is strange to be semi-defending Governor bush, but I have never said that bush was cognizant of the 9-11 plot before it took place. I want Governor bush impeached for cowardice and surrendering to the coup-plotters on 9-11.
Captain Negative at 7:08PM on Aug 1st 2008
59. But all I get in return for answering the challenges is ad hominem attacks from retards like Dan/DiamondDave and some bitch calling herself, Sandy, who says I'm not being attacked.
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Your a sad little boy aren't ya. What did I tell you if you called me a bitch again? Your a class act son. Probably whacking your little weiner to porn every night aren't you pansy. I can easily tell you aren't married or involved with anything other than your fist. Don't even try to refute it because you know it is true. Anyone who hates the world as much as you do is one missed prozac away from the six o'clock news. Your obsession with this conspiracy consumes your life, kind of like big foot hunters and the loch ness. Every chance you get you go on and on about it,and you are dismissed by everyone like you are now. It just pisses you off too and you come all unglued calling everyone ignorant and stupid...
So anyway let me get this right little boy. You are being attacked for what? So if the "neocons" blew up the towers what did they accomplish? Hmm what happened son? Let me guess Bush and Cheney created the Anthrax attacks for oil or as an diversion for Haliburton? They blew up the towers to advance their "agenda". The pentagon attack was a fake right, because what no engine was found or something like that right? Fire never melted steel either,except for the overpass in Oakland last year. That must have been an attempt to prove Bush and Cheney right to huh? I bet the secret society was in on that one. Oh yes and flight 93 weren't those all actors or something? All a big Hollywood fake? After all it was just a big hole found with a backhoe nearby. Your paranoid talking points prove nothing like always, except that you are alone in your paranoia. Then you always have the stupidity to play the "victim" and say "guys I am beng attacked here". This coming from the little guy who does daily drive bys calling everyone assholes,christofascists,neocons,and idiots. You use the word ad hominem because you learned it on here. The copy and pasted 9/11 crap is the longest posts I have ever seen you put on here. I have developed my assement of you and I think most others have as well. Continue on son, but as you can see you are talking to yourself.
Sandy at 7:23PM on Aug 1st 2008
60. Oh no not the conspiracy nut job guy again. I remember running into him many times on here over the years. One thing you can give me credit for is being consistent with his conspiracy stupidity.Looks like he is still talking to him self. Leave him alone probally keeps the guy from going postal or jumping the white house fence looking for the "secret files".
Anyway back to topic at hand. I noticed now they are having to hire agents to watch the border for people leaving America to Mexico. This has become a mess and I don't think either political party wants to try to tackle this again until after the election.
Adrian A at 7:35PM on Aug 1st 2008