46. "Incidently, I own a gloc, a hunting rifle, and will always own a gun. Yes, I am a liberal, but until such time as government can eliminate the need for personal protection I will continue to carry it. I believe, however, that fire arms should be like cars. Each state should be required to have a fire arm registration, a nominal fee to fund it, and a ballistics database. We do the same for cars. I don't believe that it is unreasonable to do the same for guns. Both are tools that can be deadly in the hands of the inexperianced, the intoxicated, or the disrespectful."

I don't have any guns in my house, and likely never will, but the only 'gun control' that I'm for is responsible gun control. So I hear you there. I'd LOVE to see a world that doesn't need them, but that just isn't reality today.

And to Bobby..

"This just in:

President Bush released a portion of the strategic oil reserve to cushion supply due to the shutdown caused by Gustav."

This just in! President Bush is an ignorant primate. But you already knew that I thought that anyway from our past discussions, so why you'd bring up anything a primate has to say to slander someone else is beyond me.

Pelosi, from my own opinion, rolled over on her back on several issues, just like a lot of Democrats do. They should stand up for themselves more often, instead of caving under perceived pressure. It's likely the reason that they'll end up once again losing control of the house and the senate during the next election cycle.

Zatheus at 11:58AM on Sep 6th 2008

47. And one could equally argue that surging oil prices disrupted the supply to millions of consumers across the U.S. Releasing oil from the reserse, or even hinting at it, might have releaved some of the speculation inflating oil prices over the summer.

It's certainly a better idea than McCain's for cutting an 18 cent federal tax for highway maintainence.

Incidently, she's a heartbeat and a pacemaker battery away from the presidency.

Somber at 12:00PM on Sep 6th 2008

48. "I've seen you guys in action. For all your high-minded talk, you're no better than those you criticize. There's as much scandal, corruption and downright illegal activity (I can point you in the direction of an alderman now serving out the remainder of his term in a federal pen) as there is in the worst Republican administration."

As Bobby said in another comment (at least I believe it's Bobby), pointing out corruption in one party is absolutely meaningless. BOTH parties have corrupt politicians everywhere. The fact remains, that the last 8 years have been a perfect example of an inane administration. The Republicans had plenty of control for several years of it all around, and they managed to accomplish approximately jack shit.

Yes, BOTH parties were to blame for the war (which I have NEVER denied), but Commander Chimp was ultimately the one that suckered everyone into it. And guess who's profited the most off of it? Cheney & Co. Big surprise there. We can go back and forth endlessly over political scandals and corruption on either side, there's really no point in continuing down that road.

Zatheus at 12:06PM on Sep 6th 2008

49. >>>Did you read ANYTHING that she said? It's not about winning just to look good. It's about governing the friggin country effectively.>>>

Zatheus, I wasn't trying to "slander" you, just zeroing in on your claim of "effectiveness".

You can think of Bush being a chimp all you like, but he made the right call by his actions. Anyone off the street that wasnt' totally biased would have the common sense to do the same thing but your comments say the man is inept.

Whether you like Pelosi or not isn't important, she's one of your spokespersons delivering your message.

How can you expect anyone outside your party to take your platform seriously when you've got an imbecile like her dictating policy?

Bobby at 12:24PM on Sep 6th 2008

50. B. Hussein Endorsements

Iranian TV goes ga-ga over Obama. Heaps praise on Democrats while blasting 'absentminded' McCain.

JERUSALEM – GOP Sen. John McCain is "absentminded" and "terrible" and his running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, doesn't have any appropriate experience.

Sen. Barack Obama, by contrast, is "highly educated" and "eloquent" and would serve the world much better and improve America's overall situation.

And Sen. Joe Biden is a "very respectable" man with a "good reputation."

All this according to an interview broadcast this week on Iranian state-run media.

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Saudi Arabians, including expatriates, are backing Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama.

According to the Arab News, which describes itself as the Arab world's leading English daily newspaper, the reasons for Saudi support of the rookie senator range from his being black to his middle name being Hussein, which has led many Saudis to believe he is a Muslim. Sen. Obama was born in Kenya to a Muslim father, who had several wives, but the presidential candidate is Christian.
Sen. Obama was born in Kenya to a Muslim father, who had several wives, but the presidential candidate is Christian.

The Saudi Arabians-the majoprity of the 9/11 terrorists, the largest funders of terrorism
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Obamas friends that endorse him are:


Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad
Abu Sayyaf
The Nation of Yahweh
Bloods
Cribs/cripples/crips
The Black Guerillas
ACLU
National Lawyers Guild
NAMBLA
UNCF
ACORN
Salafism
ALF
ELF
Hamas
The Nation of Islam
Al Jazerra
The Sierra Club & Paul Watson
Workers World Party
Iran
Syria
Cuba & Fidel Castro
North Korea
Venezuela
Hezbollah
As-Sahab
The New Black Panthers
The Muslim Student Association
CAIR
UNNM
MIM
Tablighi Jamaat
Carnival Against Capitalism
The NAACP
D.C crews
Moveon.org
George Soros
RCG
The Communist Workers Party
The Muslim Boys
Taliban
ANSWER
NION
Markos Moulitsas
The Open Society Institute
al-Qaida (The Base)
Libya
Oman
The PLO
Yemen
NARAL
Gangster Rappers
Black Disciples
The ADC
The ICNA

Robert OKane at 12:38PM on Sep 6th 2008

51. I emailed Roland Martin telling him I had proof that if kindergartners learn to print the alphabet fluently, they can mentally envision written syllable and this prevents reading disabilities. This fact has the ability to close the "academic achievement gap" and redeem the horrible academic failings of racial minorities.....But Roland didn't even answer my email....so much for "black issures".

Bob at 12:38PM on Sep 6th 2008

52. >>>46. And one could equally argue that surging oil prices disrupted the supply to millions of consumers across the U.S. Releasing oil from the reserse, or even hinting at it, might have releaved some of the speculation inflating oil prices over the summer.>>>

No, one could not argue that point Somber,

There never was any true sign of disruption, only geopolitical upheavals that may have come into play affecting the markets & supply, which is always the case.

You'd have to think of foreign suppliers as complete idiots not to understand that if we used our reserves, those reserves would give out eventually or have to be replenished. That would cause an opportunity to raise prices more if the powers to be saw fit. Those reserves are our ace in the hole. The calculations of oil supply & demand is just about their entire game, they know it as well as we do. Time is always on their side if we use our reserves.

The runup on oil was all a mind game, that's why you see it coming down so rapidly now. There was enough bad news built into pricing of oil it wouldn't have mattered what kinds of supply disruptions we had, the oil industry was getting a premium far beyond market demand. It was a test of how far economies could go until they reached critical mass.

Speculation started back peddling when consumers & policy makers knew there was no more room to maneuver. Talk of drilling made that impact, new alternatives to oil did just as well. The oil industry is smart & they knew it was time to back off some.

Don't be naive to how the game is played, it's got nothing to do with the obvious, it's subversive as hell,, it all is.....

Bobby at 12:43PM on Sep 6th 2008

53. "Zatheus, I wasn't trying to "slander" you, just zeroing in on your claim of "effectiveness"."

I didn't mean to imply that you were attempting to slander me, it was Pelosi that I was halfass "defending". I don't respect her. As I said, she's rolled over on too many issues already just to "play nice", as have many Democrats, which is why, once again, they'll likely lose seats during the next election cycle.

"You can think of Bush being a chimp all you like, but he made the right call by his actions. Anyone off the street that wasnt' totally biased would have the common sense to do the same thing but your comments say the man is inept."

Quite a large percentage of Americans completely disagree now. I suppose all of them are completely lacking common sense? Do I really sound like a slobbering retard to you? Quite a few of the people on these blogs get their points across intelligently, but they're still opinions afterall, nothing more.

I said I was against this stupid war from day 1, and have been against it every day since. I didn't develop 20/20 hindsight after the fact. And it wasn't because I was "afraid" of the big bad war with the Iraqis. I just place a higher value on ALL human life than people like Bush does. He, and many other people, think of non-Americans (and even some Americans) as sub-human, or at the very least, as having unimportant opinions. It's not ENTIRELY his fault though, the ultra-privledged spoiled little brats in this country often grow up thinking that anyone outside their elite little circles are expendable trash. That's how he grew up, and you know it.

I'm NOT going to get into another your 'patriotism' vs. my 'patriotism' debate with you. It won't lead anywhere, just like last time. You think Bush's actions were correct, I don't. It's as simple as that. I don't think I'm a 'bad person' for my feelings on the subject, and I don't think you're a 'bad person' for it either. We both just have completely differing opinions on the subject. Enough said.

Zatheus at 12:56PM on Sep 6th 2008

54. Somber at 10:01AM on Sep 6th 2008 posted:

That is why, Tor, your republican canidates will always talk a good fight, but make a mess of it once they are actually in office.

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Hey Som, did you not get the part about me being a democrat. I can post a picture of my voter's registration card if you like.

"Your republican canidates?!"

Mine, huh? For all that I voted for some of them I guess that makes them your canDidates too.

Bob hit it right on the head with post 39. If they don't win they get to bitch from the sidelines, which isn't an effective way to do anything. It's kind of like natural selection, eh?

Compared to a sports team it's the old "it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game."

The democrats would be better served by listening to Vince Lombardi.

"Winning isn't everything. It's the only thing."

If the democrats are going to have a dog in the fight, they need to stop sending Tinkerbell into the ring with Spike.

torquemada at 1:12PM on Sep 6th 2008

55. >>> It's as simple as that. I don't think I'm a 'bad person' for my feelings on the subject, and I don't think you're a 'bad person' for it either. We both just have completely differing opinions on the subject. Enough said.>>>

enough said,, agreed.

For the record dude,, I don't think you're a bad person at all. It's hard but I try to respect dissenting views.

Enjoy your Saturday....

Bobby at 1:33PM on Sep 6th 2008

56. Torquemada, since you didn't actually read my post I will distill it to its basic points.

Liberals don't care about winning, we care about good government. That is government that helps its citizens and is a public servant to the needs of the public. Conservatives don't care about good government, because for a conservative there is no good government. Conservatives care about winning more than governance. Once they're in office they do everything possible to smash and exploit the machine of government in order to fulfill their views.

In summation, this isn't the superbowl. There is far more at stake than a ring and bragging rights for a year. Liberals know that. Conservatives don't care.

Somber at 1:42PM on Sep 6th 2008

57. Somber at 11:29AM on Sep 6th 2008 posted:

Incidently, I own a gloc, a hunting rifle, and will always own a gun. Yes, I am a liberal, but until such time as government can eliminate the need for personal protection I will continue to carry it. I believe, however, that fire arms should be like cars. Each state should be required to have a fire arm registration, a nominal fee to fund it, and a ballistics database. We do the same for cars. I don't believe that it is unreasonable to do the same for guns. Both are tools that can be deadly in the hands of the inexperianced, the intoxicated, or the disrespectful.

*******

Well said! It's nice to see someone identify themselves as a liberal and NOT follow the same old path regarding gun issues.

torquemada at 1:44PM on Sep 6th 2008

58. Somber, I read your post. I make it a point to read the posts of some of the people around here, and you would certainly fit into that category.

I know the Presidency isn't the Superbowl. All I'm saying is that you have to be in it to win it. Otherwise, what's the point?

torquemada at 1:55PM on Sep 6th 2008

59. This guy is as ignorant as anybody i've heard recently . these attacks on sara palons kids is an obomanation you peaple that support oboma just admit it he has no record and no one to tell his story because thay are beeing hid from the press by oboma because thay are all radicals and anarcists.you peaple have a dobble standard this guy should go somewhere else like sweeden where the gov. gives you everything. get off youe asses get educated and not in your liberal school churches and radical speakers. your morons. and stop playing the race card it's rediculas.is that all you got.and as far as the black problems,fix them your self its not the goverments job. social programs get off them its a trap by the libs to make you SLAVES TO THE GOVERMENT. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

brian at 2:26PM on Oct 4th 2008

60. I read most of these comments and what gives you the right to say that Obama would have his girls get rid of a baby why don't you sick republicans get a life you all are make me sick . You don't do anything but preach hate and war and try to scare the hell out of people. You claim to be GOD loving people but from where I sit Idon't think so MAYBE YOU STICK TO THE OLD TESTIMENT I GO BY THE NEW WHER LOVE IS TAUGHT!!

Carolyn at 1:59PM on Sep 6th 2008