16.
No I'm not upset, just observant to the reasons behind the McCain VP choice. I also can't fathom how you got a "grouchy" sense from just viewing letters on my post.

To also claim that Christianity unifies the Christian base shows me you're one of those religious rights I'm speaking of. And to assert "everyone" is a false statement since you can't possibly claim everyone is happy with the VP choice. My agnostic republican mother is for once in her life voting for Obama. Hmmmmm

The matter is that there are secular republicans as well as Jewish republicans and to assert the latest religious fad into politics is not right. When the fastest growing religion, Islam over populates the world will we be happy seeking Islamic representatives with Islamic political ideologies into office? What will Christians think then?

I also don't understand your name throwing of other Democrats. I don't subscribe or side to parties. I side with issues and policy. Sometimes Republicans have the better policies, sometimes the democrats do, but then I don't expect you to understand the interworking of government, especially since you claim all republicans and Christians are united.

goddess1prevail at 10:42AM on Sep 27th 2008

17. SEXISM: Anyone you know?

Definition SEXISM, set of attitudes and behaviors towards people that judge or belittle them in the basis of their gender, for the sole purpose of putting them down and trying to establish their own superiority.

. "This is also called the "ME TARZAN YOU JANE SYNDROME", subscribed to by many males who question their own masculinity and feel threatened by WOMEN OF "SUBSTANCE" who challenge their dominance over the home, the workplace and the government. "

Surely none of us know men who fit into this category, do we? lol.

Well, maybe we do..LETS START A LIST!

David Knowles
Tommy Christopher
Butch
Keith Olberman
Chris Matthews
Carl Williams
Inquiring Minds
Levloca
Mike in NM
John
Dede
Lord Fussy
BARACK OBAMA
S. Merritt
Rias10
Steve Seivers
Correctasusual
Jim
BettySueIs
TURKTHEJERK

In Other News at 11:09AM on Sep 27th 2008

18. I like you, goddess! Did I mention that I am a lesbian?

NOBAMA 08! at 10:47AM on Sep 27th 2008

19. goddess,

You're making the same argument people made against Jack Kennedy.

You've also missed the boat as to why Palin appeals to a certain portion of the Republican base. That's probably due to your hypersensitivity to anything remotely having to do with Christianity.

People view Palin as one of their own. Not the crowd you run with, I'm going to assume. But still, there's a large swath of this country that ascribes to what has come to be known as "family values". I know that's become cliche term with negative connotations for the left, but it still needs to be acknowledged as a large, voting constituency. They may not be motivated by values you approve of, but they can be motivated. And they have been by Sarah Palin. It's not based solely on what happens for an hour or two on Sunday mornings.

Lest you think there's not a parallel constituency on the Democratic side that's being catered to in much the same fashion, I'd suggest you stop by any one of a number of black churches in your area. I don't see anyone on the Democratic side disowning any of the kind of preaching that comes out of those congregations. And as we've seen, those leaders have had their share of face time with the Democratic presidential candidate.

bob at 11:43AM on Sep 27th 2008

20. Cenk,

A bikini is a 2-piece bathing suit. Most beauty pageants dind't allow bikinis until the 1990s.

But, have you noticed that Republican women are far hotter than Democrat women. There are Sarah Palin and Condi Rice, and then there is Hillary with her piano legs that she covers in pants.

Kent at 9:55AM on Sep 29th 2008

21. In other news: Sexism? Uh, last I checked, Ms. Palin is the one who posed in her bathing suit for a cheesy "Miss Alaksa" contest. What does that make her?

David S. at 12:35PM on Sep 27th 2008

22. Um, you got something on your chin Cenk.

Jim at 12:47PM on Sep 27th 2008

23. You've also missed the boat as to why Palin appeals to a certain portion of the Republican base. That's probably due to your hypersensitivity to anything remotely having to do with Christianity.-Bob


Bob at least you presented the argument better than Dave. Yes she appeals to a "portion", not all the republican base. And my mentioning it has nothing to do with hypersensitivity to Christianity or any other religion, just the radical religious who the McCain camp seeks to appeal to. The difference being that moderate Christians are not the ones pushing political agendas at tax exempt churches, the radicals are.

Take the Alliance defense fund who recently encouraged over 30 pulpits to purposely tell their congregation who god wants them to vote for. Rev. Barry W. Lynn from the Americans united said recently, “Houses of worship exist to enrich people's spiritual lives, not act like political machines that issue marching orders to voters.” If a priest tells a person of faith to do something because god wants it don't you think that it is wrong to assume who god wants as president?

Doesn't this give validity to every radical who claims to know what god wants? Followers of a church should vote their values yes, but only because its beneficial for families, not because a priest tells them it’s the right thing to do in the eyes of god. Do you disagree?



People view Palin as one of their own. Not the crowd you run with, I'm going to assume. But still, there's a large swath of this country that ascribes to what has come to be known as "family values". I know that's become cliche term with negative connotations for the left, but it still needs to be acknowledged as a large, voting constituency. They may not be motivated by values you approve of, but they can be motivated. And they have been by Sarah Palin. It's not based solely on what happens for an hour or two on Sunday mornings.-BOB


Yes I guess you are just assuming. I run with a mixture of crowd, all whose family values are just as important as Christian family values. The difference being that I don't assume that my values are the only way to live, or that they'll guarantee your placement in heaven for accepting Jesus as the only means to get there. Something that only the radicals assume, not moderate Christians. Family values is a concept that has been around since the dawn of humanity, it's not an ideology created by Christians, nor should radicals assume they are.




Lest you think there's not a parallel constituency on the Democratic side that's being catered to in much the same fashion, I'd suggest you stop by any one of a number of black churches in your area. I don't see anyone on the Democratic side disowning any of the kind of preaching that comes out of those congregations. And as we've seen, those leaders have had their share of face time with the Democratic presidential candidate.-Bob


I haven't seen any black churches in my area, nor do I know what they preach, but if they are selling political votes on the pulpits for Obama or Mccain they should also be held accountable by losing their exempt status. Even Jonathan Falwell is leery of pulpit politicking, he claims it's not right for churches to endorse candidates.

goddess1prevail at 1:03PM on Sep 27th 2008

24. What a completely ignorant post. What happened to these women's groups that are supposedly for the advancement of women? Oh, I guess that's only for the ugly or for lesbians.
Palin should be celebrated for accomplishments. It is because of her that I became enthused about this election.
Ana Kasparian should really get a life...

BamBam at 1:10PM on Sep 27th 2008

25. David S., it's MRS Palin, not Ms. and Arnold Schwarzenegger used to prance around in nothing more than a 'marble bag' so what does that make him? Answer, it means nothing. Both have achieved more than you will ever experience.
Grow up and quit the childish Liberal crap. Amazing how you clowns are always the ones that cry tolerance which really means be tolerant to only those that agree with you.

BamBam at 1:18PM on Sep 27th 2008

26. "Doesn't this give validity to every radical who claims to know what god wants? Followers of a church should vote their values yes, but only because its beneficial for families, not because a priest tells them it’s the right thing to do in the eyes of god. Do you disagree?"

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I disagree that it's proper single out a certain portion of the religious community as the sole purveyor of wrong-headed voting advice.

Whether its done directly from the pulpit or indirectly through other methods, most congregations do tend to encourage their members to support a particular political POV.

I'm Catholic by birth. If I go to a suburban church I'm probably going to get an entirely different POV than I am from an urban church. Same religion.

I would imagine its pretty much the same with just about any other denomination. The churches tend to reflect the communities they serve as much or more than they influence them.

A lot of folks seem to think that there's this large contingent of died-in-the-wool religious extremists lurking just over the horizon. Yet most people like yourself don't really know many, or any at all. It's not because you're special and have somehow managed to get through life without being sucked into their evil vortex. It's that they just don't really exist in large, influential numbers.

The true radicals make up a very small portion of society. Each side of the political equation tends to play up the number and influence of those on the opposing side. It's a scare tactic. Apparently an effective one

bob at 1:35PM on Sep 27th 2008

27. Why was I NOT included in this list? After all I have done for 'In Other News', this is just a nasty slap in the face.
LIST APPENDED:
Well, maybe we do..LETS START A LIST!

David Knowles
Tommy Christopher
Butch
Keith Olberman
Chris Matthews
Carl Williams
Inquiring Minds
Levloca
Mike in NM
John
Dede
Lord Fussy
BARACK OBAMA
S. Merritt
Rias10
Steve Seivers
Correctasusual
Jim
BettySueIs
TURKTHEJERK
TFitz1017

tfitz1017 at 2:09PM on Sep 27th 2008

28. I wonder what kind of reaction there would be if TYT posted a clip of Ms. Obama in a "one piece"? ...... and then if Dinesh D'Souza did the same thing?

Doofus at 2:13PM on Sep 27th 2008

29. Lame, lame, lame! There is nothing to be learned by seeing Palin in a bathing suit. Put up the clip where she improvises answers to media questions in NYC. That is far more telling regarding her capabilities.

kbates at 2:18PM on Sep 27th 2008

30. Bam bam - I believe I was responding to "In Other News" and his/her silly "sexist" list of folks. I guess somehow commenting on MRS. Palin's past is off limits to conservatives. Just as it is off limits to question her credentials for VP or to ask her just about anything. I can hardly wait for the VP debate - as soon as Joe Biden takes her to task on something, no doubt he will be labled a sexist bully - just as they claimed Charlie Gibson was for having the nerve to ask her about her political record. And, oh yeah, that bully Katie Couric too!

David S. at 2:43PM on Sep 27th 2008