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HillaCrats for McCain: Ready to Sacrifice Roe?
Mar 18th 2008 2:50PM
Filed Under:eHillary Clinton, John McCain, 2008 President, Abortion
As my family will attest, I spend way too much time reading the comments on these pages, and I realize that this can distort one's view of the average voter. Naturally, most of the comments come from a small number of readers, many of them forceful advocates for one candidate. Still, there are, anecdotally, a lot of people who claim to be Hillary Clinton supporters who say that if Barack Obama is the nominee, they will vote for John McCain. Now, one of three things is true: 1. They're telling the truth 2. They're bluffing to scare people off the fence onto Hillary's side 3. They are Republican provocateurs trying to help McCain. It would be really helpful to know which is the case, and I believe I have devised an ingenious method, a McCrucible, if you will. Obviously, we can't just throw holy water on them, this is the internet.
McCain appeals to a broad swath of voters, for reasons I won't get into here, but a true Hillary Clinton supporter couldn't possibly vote for McCain, given what I'm about to tell you.
A critical linchpin of Democratic politics is the idea of women's choice. Hillary Clinton has made this a major campaign issue, trying earlier this year to draw a contrast between herself and Barack Obama. At a press conference that I attended, several of Hillary's advisers bragged, rightly, about her leadership on choice issues. Obama, for the record, has an equal commitment to women's choice.
This is a tough issue for people, and I respect the beliefs of those who feel abortion is wrong. But I will never shy away from making sure that the government never stands in the way of the absolute right of a woman to decide, along with her doctor, what happens to her body. Almost everyone wants less abortions, there's no arguing that, and Democratic policies result in less abortions.
Still, John McCain has a reputation as a moderate, and there's this general feeling, left over from his 2000 Presidential campaign, that he's a reasonable guy who doesn't always toe the party line. Maybe he favors what he sees as reasonable limits, or parental consent, and maybe we can hold our nose for that, right? Congress won't let that pass. How much damage can he do?
Let's see what John has to say:
Overturning Roe v. Wade John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench. Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat
As an aside, these are Supreme Court Justices, John. I think they can afford something better that a Fiat.
So, knowing this, we can determine that anyone claiming to support Hillary, who posts comments on this story saying that they will vote for McCain instead of Barack Obama, is indeed a Republican and never intended to vote for Hillary in the first place. You're welcome. Feel free to forward this article to all of the HiilaCrats on your email list. They'll thank you.
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 6)hotred3:12PMMar 18th 2008
this is 2004 all over again. the democratic party elite are once again so intent on going as far left and america hating as possible that they have completely lost touch with reality. i mean..i get the agenda. they tried to push it with kerry. positioning a man who embodied america's abandonment of them to the vietnam veterans and their families.
look where that got the democrats. they're doing the same thing with obama.
for the first time ever in 25 years i voted republican.
i'm not proud i was forced to vote for bush, and i won't be proud if i vote for mccain, i'll just have to be extra vigilant about roe v wade! but if the dems nominate obama then i will vote mccain and so will ALOT of people without hesitation.
sid klein3:15PMMar 18th 2008
clinton yes,obama no, mccain if necessary
this is from someone who has voted democratic in the past
jbond1038nc183:18PMMar 18th 2008
I would vote for Hillary if she got the nomination, but NEVER for O'Bummer! I'll join that 20% that would switch from the democrat side to the GOP side if O'Bummer got the nod.
David S.3:18PMMar 18th 2008
You are correct, Tommy. Although mostly I think some of the folks leaving comments on here are posting from their rooms in their local psychiatric hospital.
I live in Ohio, and there were some Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton. And it was not out of love for her either. They are itching to have Hillary face McCain in the general election; presumably because they think Hillary would energize Republicans in a way they trust McCain probably will not. Some were quite open about it, telling the local newspapers and TV reporters they were Republicans who voted for Hillary to win out of their hatred for her.
This from the party of moral values and constantly slinging Christianity in our faces. Go figure.
Tricia3:23PMMar 18th 2008
If Hillary gets the nomination as a result of DNC superdelegate process, but does not get the popular vote, I will NOT vote for her in November. I will risk Roe, Iraq, whatever. There is a bigger more important issue here: the will of the people. Not stinky dirty nasty political tricks that give entitlement to a certain few.
BTW: I'm 53, white, female, and have voted Democratic all my life.
Tricia3:24PMMar 18th 2008
If the DNC superdelegates hand the nomination over to Clinton after the popular vote goes to Obama, I will NOT vote for her in November. I am willing to risk Roe, Iraq, everything. I am so tired of stinky dirty politics. I will no longer be a part of a process that doesn't recognize the will of the people, all people.
BTW, I'm white, 53, female, and have voted Democratic all my life.
jpgoodrow3:27PMMar 18th 2008
AMERICA NEEDS A PRESIDENT, NOT A PREACHER.
Hillary '08
Experience DOES Matter
JMcNeil7713:28PMMar 18th 2008
You forgot a second group that could be posting hillicrats for McCain. People trying to scare others back to Hillary. Cover all your bases.
jpgoodrow3:31PMMar 18th 2008
IF A PRESIDENT COULD JUST CHANGE ROE that easily Bush would have done it long ago.
This is just more media fearmongering to hand Obama the White House.
AMERICA NEEDS A PRESIDENT, NOT A PREACHER.
Hillary or McCain '08
Experience DOES Matter
Bill3:35PMMar 18th 2008
Is it possible that maybe the "Hillacrats for McCain" are concerned about issues other than abortion rights? Your argument is pretty weak.
decay3:37PMMar 18th 2008
Hey HotRed,..... face it,.... you were never a Democrat. So it's Hillary or McCain?? Why not Obama? Are you afraid because he's black? His stance on the issues are very similar to hers. So why so against him?
gurdianna3:44PMMar 18th 2008
In the beginning of this article you mentioned THREE groups could possibly be writing comments about voting for McCain, yet you conveniently made your decision based on TWO of those groups, ignoring the aforementioned Hillacrats trying to scare people back to her side.
You also brushed past the fact that while McCain would try to reverse the federal decision of Roe vs. Wade he would leave the abortion decisions up to state governments. He did not say he would make abortion illegal, just that it is a decision best made in the individual state courts. Don’t confuse the two different policies.
hotred3:45PMMar 18th 2008
david s. since you think anyone who disagrees with you belongs in a psychiatric hospital i'm not sure it's worth the bother trying to engage in intellectual debate. but at any rate i live in a "red state" and they all want obama to get the nom because they KNOW mccain will beat him.
Kendall Johnson3:51PMMar 18th 2008
Obama will lose big after this paster Right thing!!!! I'm sure the Republicans have numerous stuff like this in their arsinal against Obama. Clinton's the stonger General Election candidate!!! People say Obama is more liberal, but that's not good in the general!!!! Hillary has better General Election demographics on her side. So many white men will flock to McCain if Obama is the moninee. Hillary has more of a shot of getting Seniors and moderate Republican and independant white women than Obama. This is a huge demographic that should not be ignored!!! She may lose some white men, but she will keep the Latinos against McCain and Obama definately will not.
The only thing Obama will hold is the black vote and some frightened white women who don't want to lose Roe v. Wade!!!! This is a desaster!!!!
PARMA233:54PMMar 18th 2008
Obama actually threw his grandmother under the bus...he said he heard his white grandmother use racist words and made the statement that she was afraid of black men, Obama you can not choose you family you can choose your pastor. i wonder where your grandmother is, turning over in her grave.
Obamam you should be ashamed of yourself, this woman took you in like a grandmother should and this is what you say about her, you want to tell us what your grandfather did to you or was it only your grandmother.Obama you are lower tham low
hotred4:06PMMar 18th 2008
decay, since i was never a democrat and only racists don't vote for obama. why would you care?
actually, it's exactly that kind of agressive, angry, rage-filled, racist speech that makes me not want to be on the "obama" team. he keeps talking about hope and unity, but look how violent and unintelligent his supporters are? how can we achieve change? i think you're looking for revenge..not change.
i've been a proud card carrying democrat for 25 years. never missed a local, state or national vote, so i really don't think your assessment of me is relevant. some of us vote to make a difference, not to make a point.
Hako4:07PMMar 18th 2008
Sorry Tommy, but you are a victim of flawed thinking. Democrats that are prepared to vote for McCain are out here, I know, because I'm one of em. So is my other half. I am a life-long Democrat. You can live in denial if you choose, but on election day look for a post from me saying......"I told you we weren't bluffing". I have no confidence in Obama. I think he is a light-weight that isn't prepared for the Presidency. I know that Hillary is, and I know that McCain is. Obama's thin resume, lack of foreign policy experience and weak grasp of Defense makes him a poor choice. He has become a divisive figure as well. I am not "yearning" for unity. I don't want a Pastor, a guru or a motivational speaker. I want some one that will roll up their sleeves and get to work on some of the difficult problems facing America.....someone that understands how Washington works, but isn't so hardened they can't reach across the aisle. That would be Hillary or McCain in my book. To me, Obama is the most divisive candidate in the race. It was Hillary, but not anymore. Obama is too controversial to win in the fall, there are too many doubts about him, too much anger surrounding him. Hillary has strength in the purple states, she is leading McCain in the polls...by a wider margin than Obama. Hillary can actually beat McCain. If Obama is the nominee, McCain will win the general election, with or without my vote.
Tommy Christopher4:10PMMar 18th 2008
So, then, you're prepared to sacrifice Roe V Wade? I don't hear any of you saying that.
Tommy Christopher4:15PMMar 18th 2008
Larry, good question. Things like family planning and reality-based sex education result in less unwanted pregnancies and less abortions, and in the case of sex ed, less underaged sex.
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