tzada2:45PMApr 24th 2008

My take on things.


“The Chicago Way“…. Also called all roads lead to Chicago from Iraq.

To call it a conspiracy may sound like an overstatement. On examination by definition* that is what it is. So let's give it a name, lets call it “The Chicago Way.” ……

There are links between the weakening of the US economy ,with high oil prices, the sub prime mess and the devaluation of the dollar.

Food prices are rising and already limited rationing is happening. Some say that panic buying is fueled by the MSM. Which could result in “panic” buying which could lead to shortages.

The media has been a guiding hand in the 2008 election. We have all seen their ill disguised bias in favor of one candidate. ***

In addition there is a move to deny gun ownership rights. The recent gun attacks in Chicago are highly suspicious,as was the closing of those four Catholic schools. The candidates records on gun control is important. Germany and the holocaust should have given us insight…

Democratic Super Delegates are attempting to disband The Electoral College was set up by the founding fathers, in the Constitution.

These so called Super Delegates have stolen Michigan and Florida's votes. Is this an attempt to insure a Democratic win, to insure in fact the “chosen “ candidate wins?

In addition, Super Delegate, Jimmy Carter made a trip to Syria, his meeting with the leader of Hamas, should bring up questions ** Also to be asked is why would Barack Obama’s church support Hamas? Why would a former President meet with them?

Former President Carter, has given Obama his “wink “of approval. What he has also done is pass along Zbigniew Brzezinski, his former head of foreign policy. The history between Zbigniew Brzezinski and Carter needs to be examined, the reasons behind his placement with Obama questioned.

Brzezinski decided in 1976 to foment the rise of Islamic fundamentalism. This cost the lives of an estimated 1.3 million Afghans and spawned the creation of al Qaeda, the Mujahedin, the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. Not hard to see a connection, that lead to attacks on Americans and ultimately to 9/11.

The 1980 Carter Doctrine, which announced that the United States was determined to dominate the Persian Gulf against all comers, is at the root of the first Gulf War, of the present Iraq war, and of the clash with Iran which could come at any moment.

All roads lead between Chicago and Iraq lets just call it the “Chicago Way”

Notes:

* CONSPIRACY - 18 U.S.C. 371 makes it a separate Federal crime or offense for anyone to conspire or agree with someone else to do something which, if actually carried out, would amount to another Federal crime or offense. So, under this law, a 'conspiracy' is an agreement or a kind of 'partnership' in criminal purposes in which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member.

A conspiracy theory usually attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge,to a secret, and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations.

*** Also a large Chicago papers manipulation of the court system helped significantly in Obama's state election. (Thanks Kathryn.)

**A designated terrorist organization that has the support of Obama's church. Hamas is a direct arm of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose memo declares they will destroy America from the inside.

"It is the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose its law on all nations and to extend its power to the entire planet." Hasan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood

ocogbogu2:45PMApr 24th 2008

Get with it whiteys. Your days of ruining the world with your greed, your lies and your hatred are nearly at end. If there is a God, you white guys have a rueful judgement day coming.

Von Jones
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This attitude is exactly what is wrong with the Obama campaign.
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Shut the f up both you

ocogbogu2:46PMApr 24th 2008

Whispers1:16PMApr 24th 2008

Get with it whiteys. Your days of ruining the world with your greed, your lies and your hatred are nearly at end. If there is a God, you white guys have a rueful judgement day coming.

Von Jones
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This attitude is exactly what is wrong with the Obama campaign
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Both of you are stupid. Von for your whitey remark and Whispers for automatically attaching the remark to Obama'a Campaign. You are both Rove D*ck suckers

Aristobulus2:51PMApr 24th 2008

I will be tickled PINK (and I'm Black) if Hillary OR McCain get the presidency! It'll be soooo much fun to watch narrow minded people sleep in the very bed they made. Hillary MORE scandals with Bill generating them with a vengeance. McCain, MORE body bags, as he plows ahead with his old (false) ideas about war and valor. Poetic justice! And it's surely coming! lol

leo mercier2:54PMApr 24th 2008

If hillary clinton is not candidate of choice we are not casting our vote for mr.obama,we would better serve our country by voting for mr.mcain or not voting at all.

Bye Obama2:56PMApr 24th 2008

Karl Rove made some very valid points..especially to the fact their is NO PROOF whatsoever to the ability Obama has to run this country with empty Rhetoric speeches and he is no where near the type of person we need in the White House! The bias news media,unexperienced youth and unenvolved black voters are closing their eyes to or just not interested enough to see the real truths...but the voters who are involved see through the rhetoric, enlist the facts, and have shown overwhelmingly in the last 5 primaries their opinion to this contest in record numbers...As much as the media would like to pretend their unwarranted Golden Boy is the answer and would like to keep holding up a tarnished image..the involved average american can and is seeing through such a shoddy smoke image..It is rather insulting that they are suppose to be ignorant to the facts..There are facts that can't be disputed and despite people drawing their conclusions on bias choices of the facts..the facts remain...Obama does not have any where near the experience of Senator CLinton and no evidence of accomplishments to warrant the Presidency..Michelle does not have world prexisting connection to mend fences with world leaders that now hate us as does Bill. Michelle has more than hinted at her bitter antiamerican stance...Obama has a tainted youth background with drugs and crime..but only argues he has good judgement.. Association with the likes of antiamerican preacher is not good judgement when running for president..He made a speech supporting the preacher and trying to turn this into a racial issue (which btw was not.. typical smoke screen used over and over by Obama to distort facts against him..he gets off subject to accomplish this as the Obama bus mindlessly claps away)He dismisses the antics of his preacher untill his polls dropped and then goes on the View the next week and said he would of left the church if the Rev. did not retire ..purely hyprocritical. Other examples of poor judgement... Obama's first fund raiser supported by the Pentagon bomber, His assisting in mafia Rezko transactions, his hidden born muslim heritage and lies as to what his father was about..He was part of the most corrupt African organization the Kenyatta where they killed, raped and were arsonist...His step father who he lived with for years also muslim enlisted his step son in the Jakarta's Muslim Wahabbi terrorist school..per U.S.Veteran Dispatch December 2006..There have been 50 or more lies told by Obama this campaign and growing..SanFrancisco, money taken from antisemetic Farragon, LIes to Canada about Nafta ect..see the Political Forum.com Elections and Campaigns by Latisha...The bottom line petty points brought out about Hillary such as..she should pay the sins of Bill, people just don't know why but they don't like her... ect ect...but the reality is America is not use to making a middle age woman a hero in this country ..and are having a hard time making that equation..but Some people don't have short term memory and the proof is in the past...IT is only the Clintons that hold the longest peace keeping time of any presidency and it is only the Clintons that had the biggest economic growth than any presidency..They say when a president leaves office ..the best test to his overall performance is whether the American people were better off then ..as to when he entered the White House.. There is no doubt when the Clintons left billions of dollars in assets and years of peace we were better off!! THESE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS OF AMERICA TODAY the war and economy!! FACTS!! THIS IS NOT HARD>>AMERICA SEES THE TIDE AND are TURNING THE TIDE TO THE ONLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATE>>>HILLARY 2008!!

Bye Obama2:57PMApr 24th 2008

continuation of bye Obama...the first fund raiser by the pentagon bomber per last nights news

Bee3:00PMApr 24th 2008

The states Obama has won do have low overall African American populations. However, consideration must be given to the fact that, the democrats in those states are predominately African American and or wealthy. The statistics that are most relevant in my view are these: In states where the democrats demographic reflect that of the nation, Mr. Obama gets beat badly and without exception. He needs the crossover vote simply as a matter of mathematics, if he doesn't get a good portion of what is essentially 80% of the U.S. population, (middle class and White), Mr. Obama, can not win in November! These are indisputable facts!

If the goal of the primary season is to determine the Democrat best positioned for victory, it is not even close! Mr. Obama and the press continue to talk about the impossible, insurmountable, unlikely hill that Hillary Clinton has to climb to secure the nomination. While curiously omitting that after the nomination, Mr. Obama will lose and badly!
Any candidate who can not get at least some electoral rich, blue collar states to see him as the best man for the job, is naïve if they believe they can win in November! Before anyone hastily concludes this is a matter of racism, John Kerry couldn’t get the support of this population either! Hillary is getting it done with this voting block and they will not convert to Obama because Hillary loses the nomination.

It will be Walter Mondale all over again! He lost 49 states!

D. L. GRAHAM3:00PMApr 24th 2008

TO: PETE
COMMENT: 2:21pm Ar. 24,2008

PETE: "Reading the posts from the Obama kool-aid stand, when he closed the gap in PA from 20 points to a ten point loss, he actually "won". So I guess that means McCain has "won"."

REPLY: The ObamaNation is telling the truth, Obama did close the gap between (20) to a little less than (10), a fact is a fact. Hillary did win the state that's a fact. But, the other fact is it didn't change a thing. (MSNBC)Chuck Todd a great bean counter has stated this thing is by the numbers over that's a fact. The only argument left is Hillary screaming she's the better candidate.

And, Yes (R-AR) US/Senator John Sydney McCain III is the winner, each and every time the Clintons claim they are still in this race, one that is OVER.

IT'S THE PARTY, THE PARTY, THE PARTY! It's about State Seats, Congressional Seats, Senate Seats, it's about coatails. It Country first (setting back race relations decades), Party (The Democratic Party will no longer exist they don't do anything now), The candidate (ABC Anybody But Clinton & ABC And Barracks Cooked).

Pete once again I really as an Independent hope that Hillary continues to take your party down the yellow brick road straight to the Kool Aide Stand, we need to get rid of the present (Democratic Party) for once and for all time. We need a "NEW INDEPENDENT PARTY" for the "NEW AGE" AN AGE OF CHANGE! This new generation is the one they have been waiting for, and Yes They Can and Yes They Will bring change.

FORGET ABOUT HILLARY AND OBAMA look at what's really happening it's an ERA OF CHANGE! If not now it will happen in (4) years and no HILLARY NOR OBAMA WILL BE PART OF IT!

Hako3:03PMApr 24th 2008

Obama's strength with young voters, blacks and highly-educated voters will never win us the election. McGovern had the very same groups with him, and he lost badly. Hillary has the support of the real Democratic base, and the includes the Reagan Democrats. Obama's associations have hurt him with main-stream voters as well. A candidates associations DO matter. If a white candidate gets endorsements from the KKK, and contributions,he is naturally assumed to be a racist. The same should be true for Obama. His Pastor spews anti-white and anti-American rhetoric, so Obama must share some of his sentiments. His friend and supporter, Bill Ayers, bombed the Pentagon and Police precincts. Obama went with Farrakhan to the Million Man March. Farrakhan is a racist. Obama was recently endorsed by Hamas....a terrorist organization. He wouldn't be associating with these people, and getting their endorsements, if he didn't have something in common with them. Birds of a feather do flock together.

Joseph M. Krebs3:10PMApr 24th 2008

Von, your correct, I can not wait to follow in Africa's great economy.

tzada3:10PMApr 24th 2008

This goes out to the one that hates truth tellers...

The Obama campaign deserves the closest sustained scrutiny; its Messianic qualities have not been seen since the days of Jimmy Carter, the president who promised that he would never lie. Obama, like the Carter of 1976, is a highly artificial product.

Carter turned his foreign policy over to Zbigniew Brzezinski Brzezinski decided in 1976 to foment the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, which he touted as the greatest single bulwark against Soviet communism. As part of this insane project, Brzezinski was the prime mover in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, and was then instrumental in installing the Ayatollah Khomeini in power in Tehran.

Brzezinski cared less about the Middle East and its oil than he did about the need for a center from which Islamic fundamentalism of the most retrograde type could radiate out into the soft southern underbelly of the USSR.

For Brzezinski, the space between the southern frontier of the Soviet and the Indian Ocean littoral became an "arc of crisis," and his handiwork is with us until this day. The 1980 Carter Doctrine, which announced that the United States was determined to dominate the Persian Gulf against all comers, is at the root of the first Gulf War, of the present Iraq war, and of the clash with Iran which could come at any moment, as the most recent Gulf of Tonkin stunt near Hormuz has demonstrated.

Brzezinski's foreign 'policy' during the Carter administration, as he has since admitted without regret, was to entice the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan in December, 1979. The idea, he said, was to weaken their rival superpower and the result was a ten-year occupation that cost the lives of an estimated 1.3 million

Afghans and spawned the Mujahedin, Taliban and Osama bin Laden. To this day, Brzezinski takes diabolical pride in having unleashed the decade-long Afghan War, which he touts as the Soviets' Vietnam debacle. Brzezinski was very much a part of the effort that led to the creation of al Qaeda as a wholly owned subsidiary of US and UK intelligence,.


(Some text excerpted)
Author: Webster G. Tarpley
http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=77419

Bettybb3:13PMApr 24th 2008

Obama is not electable. Rove knows it. Rove is hoping for an Obama victory. He wants the gop in N Carolina to vote Obama in the primary, so he has made clear how weak he thinks Obama is. And he correct.

Obama is a racist.

Obama is a liar.

He promised Americans he would have a tough renogiation of nafta while letting the Canadians know he did not mean it, that they could ignore his promises to Americans as mere campaign rhetoric. When called on it, Obama lied. Then the confirming memo was leaked. Obama at the press conference was in a total state of panic...and he ran. Literally.

Note, all the elite are pushing for Obama - they are pro nafta, free trade, open borders, north american integration. That includes gop and dems. They want those profits for the elite.

JOHN3:16PMApr 24th 2008

Have a look at Obama's 13th ward...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqu3u9ISctA

Goldbraid3:17PMApr 24th 2008

MESSAGE TO THE DNC
As per James Carville (political consultant) on the Larry King show last night, HE OFFERD TO PAY for the re-vote in Michigan and Florida, while Obama was on vacation in the Virgin Islands and his people DECLINED !!!! OBAMA also decline to debate in Indiana.
There is 4 months left till the DNC Nomination Convention in Denver. We have time to count the Michigan and Florida votes. This is USA of 50 states and if THE DEMOCRAT LEADERS made a mistake, WE CAN NOT DISENFRANCHISE MILLIOND OF DEMOCRAT VOTERS. These states are part of USA. We can count the votes as it stands, OR they can RE-VOTE before August 23. Those STATES are USA citizens who WILL BE VOTING IN NOVEMBER.
Obama is against counting votes, and he is against re-voting. There is only one reason for that. He will lose and he knows it. But OBAMA would lose anyway in November because ONLY HILLARY CAN WIN against the Bush Republicans. She knows how to deal with them.

Henry3:22PMApr 24th 2008

Hako- What about black's who talk with white's on a daily basis, you are guilty of leaving death, destruction, slavery & lies every where you go. Now what kind of racist does that make me by association?

Clennis3:22PMApr 24th 2008

The Forgotten Black Voice

I have been watching, listening, thinking and contemplating this seemingly endless turn of events. I try never to get involved with issues that are political in nature…there are too many extraneous variables, and people often change horses in the middle of the stream; if they think that horse will win!

So, I just want to set the record straight from “my” perspective regarding the Obama issue. These are my views based on my experiences; my interpretation of events; and my social experiences. Of late it seems that to stay in good standing with people, and groups you have to fall inline or suffer the consequences. I will do neither and will verbalize what I feel I must…That is my right!

First of all I am not part of that “large black vote” that follows Obama like rats in a maze, simply because he is black. I have listened to his positions on issues and noted his effective method of communicating with people, but after reviewing is credentials it was clear he does not bring the stuff to be president; that should be obvious to most people. From my perspective I have not heard enough details as to how he will create “change” and make everything right in the world. He speaks well, and is likeable enough, but is not a person qualified to be president of this country. It’s starting to look like I am the only one who sees this.

I am a sixty year old black guy that is really black, and really did come up the rough side of the mountain…I was there! I have watched this bi-racial guy suddenly become black when he needed to be. I have set in front of my TV and listen to him tell me what black folks think…I have heard him elaborate on what the average white person thinks…I have listen to him imply that the general population of Black Clergymen preach a fifty year old message of hate, vengeance, and stupidity. I have sit and watched till I can not take any more. Here is one man that stands and will say this is not true…maybe the only one.

As I look at this virtual circus many things pass through my mind. Where are all the young people whose parents are from different racial/ethnic backgrounds? The same ones that agued with census people a short time ago against putting them in one or the other “racial category” when in fact they were neither, but a combination of both-remember? Why won’t they speak up now? Should they not be arguing that Obama is not black…where are they? Based on their position he should be called “Bi-racial” or “Multi-racial, if my memory serves me right.

Also, the youth of this country have not shown they are responsible in making good decisions in the last thirty years. They are ours, we love them, but I am not about to trust their judgment in matters as important as this. They want “change” and so does a large segment of this society; the polls show that. However, some of us are not willing to have change at any cost! What exactly is this “change”?

Being black I would love to be present and accounted for when we elect our first Black President. The issue here is I want this person to be black, but qualified. There are several reasons but I will only give two here. First of all this will be the most powerful position in the world. Secondly, having a non-qualified black person in the oval office would give naysayers ammunition to say ‘I told you so’ when he messes up…they would love that. I could go on and on with this…but I won’t.

Moreover, I have been shocked at the number of blacks that showed up at the polls and voted for a man with such sparse credentials. One reason I am shocked is we have been known not to vote; the record shows that. Listening to chatter here in there it seems the majority did this simply because he his black- they think. Listening to his Pastor and others talk, you would think that he is black. Being a black person goes beyond physical characteristics, and verbal rhetoric; one must live the experience. In spite of the verbiage of Rev. Wright and Obama, I don’t think Barack had to worry about being caught in life threatening situations where only one’s blackness could put them. Black men and women who have lived a life of blackness understand where I am coming from with this statement. We had no one from the other side of the family to come to our recue…can you dig it!

As for the Rev. Wright, that was a shame and disgrace to the pulpit AND TO MOST BLACKS. It is hard to believe this country set in front of their TVs and let Obama convince them this is par for the course. It is not in my opinion! I am a guitarist with a gospel group, and we have been singing and playing in many churches for many years. I also am a social science instructor…I have listened well to messages brought to congregations at churches at which we perform. This is particularly true when issues of race, ethnicity, and culture have come up. The junk I heard from Wright is not something I have heard at any of the many of churches I have played over the years. Certainly on occasion, ministers speak of things gone by to let the folks know how far we have come. The emphasis being on how far we have come… If white America believes this we really have a problem…if you have allowed this wordsmith to send you down guilt-river, shame on you. This is not typical of what we are taught at our spiritual institutions. Black America knows better and should speak out and say so.

Much has been said about what voters will do if Obama is “cheated” out of the nomination (seems he also feels he is the anointed one). However, little is said about what Clinton supporters will do if she is “cheated”. There had better be some thought given to that. The fact is the ones voting for Clinton is the ones likely to show up to vote in November…Now remember you heard that first from me.

Finally, it has been my observation that although we still have pockets of racial problems, we have come a long way. Yes, we have further to go, but we find ourselves farther a long the road to equality than we use to be. I made up my mind years ago I do not need anybody to speak for me including Mr. Obama. He has not run the race; he is not in a position to be a voice for all black people, particularly this one. I suspect there are white people out there that feel the same…but like many blacks are scared to say it. I have lived the life of a black person. I well know the challenges we face, and have faced. In spite of the trials and challenges that faced me in my youth I was proud of this country, even when it was racially torn...As a child in elementary school, the second thing I was required to do in the morning (after prayer) was to pledge to the flag of the U.S.A. This was a 100% black school in the heart of the 5th ward in Houston…it seemed the right thing to do. I taught my children this; I now teach my two grandsons this. And guest what, I was not unique. It is not perfect, but this society is all we have to work with.


So, in closing let me make it clear all black folks are not on the Obama train. Some people black and white need to see a road to change, not just words about what is wrong with this country. The Rhetoric I have heard from Obama and Wright is taking us back; not forward. This guy refuses to go back…that’s not the change I want!

Now these are only the rambling thoughts of one black man, and I have probably made several grammatical errors as I am writing fast and I am full of thoughts. However, I have written what is in my heart…I have tried to set the record straight.

CH
Houston, TX

Winkie3:25PMApr 24th 2008

If ever there was a poster-boy for bigotry and terrible prejudice then Von Jones exemplifies it.

stone thrower3:25PMApr 24th 2008

HOW FAR DO YOU THINK HILLARY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IF SHE KEPT PULLING THE "IM A FEMALE" CARD? IT IS NO SECRET THAT MEN IN MOST(IF NOT ALL) COUNTRIES HAVE AN UPPER HAND IN LIFE. SO WHY IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO PULL THE "RACE CARD" BUT NOT THE "GENDER CARD"? TO THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS PLEASE STOP LOOKING AT HIM THROUGH ROSE COLORED GLASSES AND STOP TRYING TO CONVIENCE THE REST OF AMERICA HOW HE IS 'CAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW.(AWFUL AND NO EXPERIRENCE)BUT IF YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS WANT TO KEEP LYING TO URSELVES GO RIGHT ON AHEAD AND DO SO. GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FELLOW MEN(AND WOMEN)

WAKE UP AMERICA3:26PMApr 24th 2008

North Carolina Papa- The reason for the acquisition of a small number of delegates gained despite the win is due to the Democratic Party's archaic methodology for the assignment of delegates won. This is so because the Democratic Party designated greater percentages of delegates to districts with large black populations. Given this disproportionate and inequitable gain of delegates is so undemocratic, this party is going to have to revisit this archaic process and change it to reflect voters intents.