Search
About This Blog
Resources
Blog Roll
- Captain's Quarters
- Cliff Schecter
- CNN's Political Ticker
- Conservative Grapevine
- Crooks & Liars
- Daily Kos
- Drudge
- FactCheck.org
- Huffington Post
- Instapundit
- Little Green Footballs
- News Bloggers
- Political-Buzz
- Power Line
- RedState
- Slate - Trailhead
- Swampland
- Talking Points Memo
- The Daily Dish
- The Plank
- The Young Turks
- Wonkette
Hillary Preparing to Demand Veep Slot
We have already discussed crackpot theory #1: Hillary 2012, which necessitates an Obama loss. In this theory she stays in not because she can win, but to make sure that McCain wins so she can run against him later. The downside and where the theory falls flat is the assumption that the party would forgive her enough to give her a plausible run.
Theory #2, which is plausible, is that she is staying in because the longer she stays in, the more leverage she gets. This article suggests that she will deploy that leverage to demand the Veep slot from a hesitant Barack Obama:
A person close to her, with whom her campaign staff has counseled at various points, said this week, "I think the following will happen: Obama will be in a position where the party declares him the nominee by the first week in June. She'll still be fighting with everybody -- the Rules Committee, the party leaders -- and arguing, 'I'm winning these key states; I've got almost half the delegates. I have a whole constituency he hasn't reached. I've got real differences on approach to how we win this election, and I'm going to press the hell out of this guy. ... Relief for the middle class, universal health care, etc.; I'm Ms. Blue Collar, and I'm going to press my fight, because he can't win without my being on the ticket.' "
Another major Democratic Party figure, who supports her for president, agreed: "It's not going to be a quiet exit. ... Obama has got a terrible situation. He marches to a different drummer. He won't want to take her on the ticket. But he might have to, even though the idea of Vice President Hillary with Bill in the background at the White House is not something -- especially after what [the Clintons] have thrown at him that he relishes. I believe she'll go for it."
However, several important Democrats aligned with Obama predicted that he -- and Michelle Obama -- will vigorously resist any Clinton effort to get on the ticket. Rather, Obama is more likely to try to convince Clinton to either stay in the Senate or accept another position in an Obama administration, should he win the presidency.
So let's throw in this twist: What if it's a mix of theories #1 and #2? What if Hillary wants Obama to lose, but furthermore wants the veep slot in order to ensure that loss? Just think of how Bill "helped" her and what he could do for Obama!
Furthermore consider that in Democratic circles, losers in general elections never run again (Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, etc.) While VP's in losing battles usually didn't get the stigma of "loser" on them (Ferraro, Bentsen, Lieberman, Edwards, etc.). Gore of course being a big exception to the rule, as he could have come back, being the best loser of all losing Democrats in the last thirty years.
So Hillary demands the veep slot, sabotages the Obama campaign, and sets herself up for a rerun in 2012. It's just barely plausible enough that it explains why Obama wants her nowhere near the ticket!
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 7)PARMA231:42PMMay 12th 2008
Michelle Obama is going to tell us who to put in the white house..I have heard it all now
Davidg1:44PMMay 12th 2008
Maybe she finally got her hands on those pictures of one of Barack's other limo rides.
Katherine2:01PMMay 12th 2008
Maybe she is just staying in the race because she believes she would be the best candidate to go up against McCain and the one who would be the best president.
oh snap, now there's an idea.
Jim in Tennessee2:06PMMay 12th 2008
Let's draft Al Gore--he is the only person who can come close to defeating McBush in November
Jim in Tennessee2:07PMMay 12th 2008
Let's draft Al Gore--he is the only person who can come close to defeating McBush in November
wishbone2:23PMMay 12th 2008
www.DUMMYTV.com - Biggest mistake Obama could make would be to accept Hillary as his VP. He should resist that in favor of making them, historically, come up with another presidential candidate. In other words--ABSOLUTELY NO WAY! She and Bill are BADDDD news. No way. I don't think Obama is that weak or stupid. He'd be better with Gore as VP than Hillary--or anyone else for that matter. Among other things, he'd be like Kennedy was rumored to be with Johnson...always looking over his shoulder. Leaving NOTHING out of the realm of possibility. www.DUMMYTV.com
csunbean2:24PMMay 12th 2008
Save us from the cociane user. Only BUSH used cocaine.. SCARY thought We can't afford another puppet.
Obama holds record for voting present, not yes or no, yet he has a paid staff to research bills. He admitted to using cocaine and Rezko had a PURPLE HOTEL where the guys were provided with any and all types of drugs Birds of a feather flock togehter.
With Obama's 57 state comment who knows if he is still using. Larry Sinclair might be Right! Obama LIED PEROID. watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs
Judgement is an issue. WHY Did Obama not have the judgement to not go to his crazy church. He knew about Pastor and his attacks on USA it is in his book Dreams of My Father...
Lets cut through the media hype.. JUST READ the darn book. It is all there in print. OBAMA LIED
OBAMA LIED OBAMA LIED
AND the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS NEVER TRY COKE
So
THE
Majority of
Americans
have
BETTER
JUDGEMENT
than
the
candidate
for
USA
PRESIDENT
that wants to
LEAD them!
NO WAY TO ANOTHER COKE USER LIKE BUSH
We can't afford another lazy party boy!
vanitsky2:26PMMay 12th 2008
I went through a number of right republican Web-sites. They sound completely confident that " The Black Deliah will never float to the White house"...
I have feeling that the Republican Rove Tuned Killing Machine has been working hard on the Obama's past.
We can't be sure what they find there - proof of Sinclair's evidence, stuff related Obama to scientology or something else. Go figure!
But I am not sure in the guy and his past.
And that is one of reasons we should keep Hillary.
As to the future. Even if Obama wins, his 4 years may be a failure. He is going to change the political and social system of a very conservative country. How is he going to make it? - it's an enigma. But he should start right from re-writing the Constitution then :-))
Hillary should be around. And never as his VP.
Natalie2:29PMMay 12th 2008
I think she is doing a great job. I'm still torn between her and Obama. Let the best Democrat win!
Joey2:29PMMay 12th 2008
Obama will tell her to chill and wait for the first seat open on the Supreme Court. She'll accept and all will be forgiven. The only problem is, once she's up for nomination, she'll find once again that half of the people in America love her and the other half can't stand her guts!
Leon
D. L. GRAHAM2:32PMMay 12th 2008
CRACKPOT THEORY #1
DAVE: "We have already discussed crackpot theory #1: Hillary 2012, which necessitates an Obama loss. In this theory she stays in not because she can win, but to make sure that McCain wins so she can run against him later. The downside and where the theory falls flat is the assumption that the party would forgive her enough to give her a plausible run."
At no point is (D-NY)US/Senator Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, going to leave the campaign.
IT'S CHESS NOT DOMINOES
Move One: (D-NY) US/Senator Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton has provided the poison kool-aid of racism to the Super-Delegates, "The Black Guy" can't win in a "General Election", Yes, (D-IL) US/Senator Barrack "Barry" Hussein Obama, beat my campaing but the Democratic Party is far more liberal and only represents (1/3rd) of the electorate, the Independents and Republicans Represent the other (2/3rds), and they are not going to vote for "The Black Guy".
This has proven to have worked as can be seen, no dam breaking backing of "The Black Guy" closing down the campaign of Hillary on May 9th.
MOVE TWO: Hillary will continue to make it look like she is trying to go out on a high note, while freeing up capital and making donations pleas, heading for the Democratic Party Rules Committee Meeting on the 31st of May. This action will allow the Clinton Campaign to begin move three, by rejecting all efforts to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates in any other fashion but one dictated by Hillary.
MOVE THREE: On June (1st) With the failure to come to a agreement the process will then being its travels thru the summer and the Federal Court system up to and into the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado, asserting Violations of the (14th) Amendment.These complaints have already been drafted.
MOVE FOUR: The Clinton Campaign has enough Super-Delegates in her corner to stop a (1st) ballot nomination of "The Black-Guy" who can't be elected in the "General Election", this now free's all
"Pledged & Superdelegates" to be more freely poached from the "Black-Guy". They are free even in the first ballot but this will give them cover, to "Coronate" Hillary on the second ballot.
This is chess not Dominoes, and its a "gambit" only the Clinton's are willing to risk!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
The (R-AR) US/Senator John Sydney McCain III & (D-NY)US/Senator Hillary Diane Rodham-Clinton, CONNECTION is Shi-te Persian Iran: Lanny Davis & (I-CN) US/Senator Joe Lieberman.
Point #1: Hillary & Lanny Davis (OBLITERATE) Shi-ite Persian Iran.
Point #2: McCain & (I-CN) US/Senator Joe Lieberman.
BOMB, BOMB, BOMB. Shi-ite Persian Iran.
Point #3: Hillary & Lanny Davis no unconditional talks with nations that the United States that pose threats to US interests
Point #4: McCain & (I-CN) US/Senator Joe Lieberman.
No unconditional talks with nations that the United States that pose threats to US interests.
We could just go down the line but the connection is over Israel and its relations with both Sunni Arabs, and Shi-te Persians, and the Muslim World.
This is about THE UNTIED STATES SECRETARY OF STATE POSITION, Kissinger and Albright. The connection is what do all four have in common Lanny Davis,(I-CN) US/Senator Joe Lieberman, Kissinger and Albright?
Their personal interests in Israel!
Obama is preceived as a President that would have less of a ABSOLUTE one sided interest and more of a even handed approach, which is not what the Jewish American interest would want.
THIS IS GOING TO THE CONVENTION!
jpgoodrow2:44PMMay 12th 2008
THERE ARE ABOUT 17-MILLION CLINTON SUPPORTERS WHO CAN AND WILL determine if Obama is the next president.
Not only can Clinton demand the VP slot, she can very easily DETERMINE if Obama will be president or not and Camp Obama knows it.
CLINTON or MCCAIN '08
America Needs A President, Not Another Feel-Good Obama Sermon
Pete2:46PMMay 12th 2008
Obama would want to be his own person and not have Hillary, or more importantly, Bill (can't keep his foot out of his mouth) Clinton second guessing him and making a mokery of Obama's Presidency.
Hillary would very likely make Bill special envoy to the North Pole or something to keep him out of the White House so why would Obama want him under foot?
I believe the only way Obama would pick Hillary for VP is to unite a hoplessly fractured Democratic Party and, on that one, Hillary is in the drivers seat there.
Marion2:47PMMay 12th 2008
This race is all about gender. She is clearly the best candidate but the boys are after her. This never changes. It's time for women to wake up.
Black Single Mom2:53PMMay 12th 2008
Maybe SEAN HANNITY WILL GIVE HER A JOB, SINCE HE IS SO HELL BENT ON GETTING SEN. OBAMA OUT OF THE RACE.
I have never seen someone so hateful towards a BLACK_MAN since J> EDGAR HOOVER hated Martin L. King.
This man is like a mad dog in heat after Sen. Obama.
Well Sean Hannity you and Sen. Clinton should be aware of the facts that when you dig a grave or whole for someone else you always, always fall in it YOURSELF. please tell Sean Hannity to keep digging that whole and see what happen to his life and career.
He is a HATER...WHAT IS IT THAT HE IS SO AFRAID OF FROM A BLACK MAN AND WOMAN. SEAN DON'T HATE BUDDY IF YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER THEN WHY AREN'T YOU RUNNING, OR WHY DOES HILLARY HAVE TO YOU DOING HER DIRTY WORK, SHE MUST KNOW THAT THE BLACK VOTES NOT HER'S IF SHE WINS BEING DIRTY......OBAMA 2008-12 MAY GOD BLESS THEM FROM ALL OF US AT ALL THE BLACK CHURCHES THAT HE HATE SO MUCH.
Martin2:55PMMay 12th 2008
If it were that easy jpgood for Hillary to dictate who should win the election process, why is she behind Obama in popular votes, pledge delegates and now superdelegates.
Hillary needs to back the obvious Democratic Nominee so we can bring our party together.
Obama / Edwards in November!!!
Dave2:57PMMay 12th 2008
"THERE ARE ABOUT 17-MILLION CLINTON SUPPORTERS WHO CAN AND WILL determine if Obama is the next president."
Yes, there are 17 million people who will determine if Roe v. Wade stands, if we stay in Iraq and lose another thousand troops, if we have a health care policy/energy policy/economic policy that doesn't embolden corporations instead of the people.
You, Clinton people, make your call the way you see fit. But understand, your candidate lost so you should get behind the party, not try and hijack it.
Very Concerned American3:03PMMay 12th 2008
Both of your theories have holes in them. It is going to be difficult for people overlook the negative campaign rhetoric that has been circulating over the past few weeks.
I was a big supporter of this idea at first but it is more important to have a team that respects each other then to have the VP second guessing your every move??
I'm voting for Obama no matter who the VP is. I think this country desperately needs CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN.
DUKE3:10PMMay 12th 2008
Demanding is Hillary's middle name. It is clear that Obama will not be giving Clinton the VIP slot, she has too much stink on her. Besides, picking a bull-dyke over a real man seems unlikely.
Latest Politics Headlines
Most Commented On Posts
Most Recent Comments
Politics Video
Patriotic politicsPresidential contenders John McCain and Barack Obama are both celebrating the Fourth of July. (July 4) | |
Jesse Helms diesFormer U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms of North Carolina has died at age 86. A look back at his life. (July 4) | |
Bush heckled at MonticelloProtesters holler as the president speaks at a citizenship ceremony at Monticello. (July 4) | |
Poll: The flip-flop primarySenior Political Analyst Bill Schneider breaks down new poll numbers about flip-flopping and political gridlock. (July 3) | |
Obama's Iraq dilemmaHas Sen. Barack Obama changed his position on Iraq? CNN's Jessica Yellin reports. (July 3) | |
| « See More Politics Video | |
Declare Yourself is a campaign that encourages young Americans to register and vote.
REGISTER TO VOTE NOW AT:www.declareyourself.org
PantsuitPatty1:39PMMay 12th 2008
It is time for Bubba and Bubbette to go sit down, maybe order a few more pantsuits!