tedman1810:54AMMay 14th 2008

Denise - I Agree

1. In her speech last night HRC was NOT anti BO and needs to never again be anti BO - anti McBush and pro HRC but not anti BO. So far so good and I think she understands that - to win and to save the party and or her future chances if so be it.

2. HRC will need the popular vote oh her side to argue in mid June. A crude count by me says she has again (after BO got 25%!!!) has chance of getting it if MI and FL are allowed in and PR gives her say 200,000+ of an edge in votes (and then watch the BO supporters turn coat and say PR does not matter.

With the popular vote - she is near even in arguing it was a tie re the voters - even with the delegate lead in the hands of BO - No popular vote - no argument as the supers should not and will not take the nomination away from anyone who won BOTH popular vote and delegate count

3. Below is the post I wrote for another site

I want a DEM to win- period- Gore Edwards BO HRC - etc - I think HRC will fight the hardest in the WH and her prior 8 years will help her move faster and harder - but I have no doubt she is damaged goods as well and can be prey to 527 attacksSo 0

So
Yes I prefer HRC first and BO second - but I want a DEM in the WH

It is indeed scary when the presumptive nominee only receives one out of four DEM votes in any state for any reason. This was not 2:1 as NPR disguised it. It was nearly 70% to 25% or thereabouts. 25% folks - does that not shout at anyone?

And do the Starbuckers write it off as WV inbreds? Do they not realise there are poor whites - uneducated whites - semi racist whites - blue collar whites - older whites - old fashioned whites - female whites - in every every toss up state?

OH TX PA WV IN have now born witness that four more years of a REP WH and Supreme Court now seem to be in the cards.

Listen well - that laughter is coming from the RNC who are celebrating

Adlai Stevenson here we come all over again and again and again - and anew

When will we DEMS learn that the customer is right - and that we can NOT win a national election without capturing more of the blue collar Dunkin Donuts "old" working (or not working) class vote

No we will not learn
Gore lost
Kerry lost
And now we DEMS seem to prefer to again go down in defeat with our sense of we were better

How many faded loser bumper stickers fit on a Volvo is our new logo
(And yes I drink Starbucks - yes I have an MBA - yes I drive a Volvo)

Retrovvision11:01AMMay 14th 2008

May 14 : it is reported that in TEHRAN -- Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Wednesday that Israel was "dying" and that (with is help)people in the Middle East would destroy it if given the chance.

Thank God, we will have a STRONG LEADER in HILLARY CLINTON, who is smart, partiotic, steadfast and realiable to call Ahmadinejad out on this and return the favor - given the chance too!!!

We need the lady in "pants-suit" to stand firm against tirants! She will be STRONG on both - internal and external policies = multitasking the way only women can do. We will all sleep sound at night.

GO HILLARY!!! you are out next PRESIDNET!!!

celesteguerrero11:08AMMay 14th 2008

This is an example of the fact that Obama
cannot connect wigh the the average person. An interesting fact about the WV vote is the fact that she won young people and college graduates. This could really spell trouble for obama since he has captured these groups before. He doesn't discuss issues that interest voters.He has these meetings that are like "love-ins" and no substance.

Isabella11:36AMMay 14th 2008

The only damage being done to unity in this campaign so far has been perpetrated by the DNC and its utterly absurd process of nominating a presidential candidate. If the super delegates are going to look at Obama's wins in the caucus states as a true representation of the democratic vote, they are only fooling themselves.
Without Florida and Michigan in the equation, the number crunchers are engaging in mental masturbation.
Senator Clinton has proven she can win and will win the states necessary to take the White House. If the super delegates decide to go with Senator Clinton because she is the only viable candidate running, they will have taken nothing from Senator Obama that wasn't there in the first place.
But, if they decide to send a boy to do a woman or a man’s job, they will self destruct as usual in November.

Ted in Chicago11:38AMMay 14th 2008

Yes I prefer HRC first and BO second - but I want a DEM in the WH

It is indeed scary when the presumptive nominee only receives one out of four DEM votes in any state for any reason. This was not 2:1 as NPR disguised it. It was nearly 70% to 25% or thereabouts. 25% folks - does that not shout at anyone?

And do the Starbuckers write it off as WV inbreds? Do they not realise there are poor whites - uneducated whites - semi racist whites - blue collar whites - older whites - old fashioned whites - female whites - in every every toss up state?

OH TX PA WV IN have now born witness that four more years of a REP WH and Supreme Court now seem to be in the cards.

Listen well - that laughter is coming from the RNC who are celebrating

Adlai Stevenson here we come all over again and again and again - and anew

When will we DEMS learn that the customer is right - and that we can NOT win a national election without capturing more of the blue collar Dunkin Donuts "old" working (or not working) class vote

No we will not learn
Gore lost
Kerry lost
And now we DEMS seem to prefer to again go down in defeat with our sense of we were better

How many faded loser bumper stickers fit on a Volvo is our new logo
(And yes I drink Starbucks - yes I have an MBA - yes I drive a Volvo)

German11:58AMMay 14th 2008

I'm very annoyed with what happened with Florida. I am a Florida voter and p- off at the DNC because I feel that my vote didn't count. Why? Because you said so? That's not fair.! My vote is supposed to count! I COUNT!!
Annoyed in Florida
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Bobbi15012:04PMMay 14th 2008

The Democratic National Committee needs intervention from the "people". What does it take to make them understand that most voters in this country are "centrist" voters. Hillary Clinton is a more centrist politician who understands the needs and desires of middle Americans. I live in Ohio and, other than African Americans (who I do understand feel a need to vote for Obama in mass) and students, most people I know support Hillary. Middle America does not relate to the Kennedys and ultra left wing factions of the Democratic Party and you are going to see "McCain Democrats" emerge in November. Since the emergency of Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan and Michele Obama not being proud of our country, Obama support has ebbed and will continue to do so in swing states that matter in the general election.

JR12:11PMMay 14th 2008

This "FACE OFF" is LAME! Sounds like they're BOTH Obama supports to me!
GO HILLARY!!!!!!!

Pamela12:15PMMay 14th 2008

HILLARY CLINTON is more "moderate" than Barak Obama and, therefore, she will appeal more broadly to the swing-voting Democrats and independent voters. HILLARY CLINTON has already spent eight years in the White House and knows from first-hand experience how it operates. Her husband's campaigners had very naive, idealistic dreams as does Barak Obama, about changing how D.C. works. But, in fact, D.C. is a tribe unto itself, according to one anthropologist. No one person can stride in and change how it works. HILLARY CLINTON not only has 8 years of White House experience but also 8 years of Senate experience. BO needs more experience. If he wins the nomination, he is unlikely to win the presidency - which will give us four more wasted years of Republican rule. If he does win, it will give us four years of wasted time while he learns what he can do and cannot do, realistically. Does any of us have four more years to waste? Personally, I cannot afford four more years of a floundering economy and worsening environmental degradation. HILLARY CLINTON has the knowledge, experience, focus, executive skills and stamina to set an agenda and persist until most of it gets achieved.

The "automatic" delegates should see this, and support HILLARY CLINTON.

bonbon12:17PMMay 14th 2008

hell yes she must remain in this til the completion.

Hillary is fighting for the average people, To quit now would show disrespect to them. and she will not do that to them.

Party unity should not be Hillary's problem, on many occasions she has offered an olive branch to Obama,
and he has slapped it away. I have been hearing unity from Hillary all along.

Obama has caused the divide not Hillary, so why does she have to clean it up, because the old double standard still exists. what about Dean or Pelosi, they too are much more responsible than Hillary.

Why then do they all expect Hillary to fix it, simple they know she has the qualifications that is why. They all know, including Obama, that she is the one who is the most capable.

Peggy12:18PMMay 14th 2008

MSNBC is still playing the race card. They're ignoring the fact that the majority of college educated and younger voters supported Clinton in West Virginia. They're playing up the fact that some of the voters said race was a factor and ignoring the rest of the exit polls. They're also saying Obama won white working class voters in Nevada. I am a Nevadan who caucused here. Hillary won THIS caucus state and will have more delegates than Obama that come out of the state democratic convention this weekend. I have to wonder why the talking heads on MSNBC are so determined to support Obama that they twist the facts at each and every turn.

Pamela12:19PMMay 14th 2008

HILLARY CLINTON is more "moderate" than Barak Obama and, therefore, she will appeal more broadly to the swing-voting Democrats and independent voters. HILLARY CLINTON has already spent eight years in the White House and knows from first-hand experience how it operates. Her husband's campaigners had very naive, idealistic dreams as does Barak Obama, about changing how D.C. works. But, in fact, D.C. is a tribe unto itself, according to one anthropologist. No one person can stride in and change how it works. HILLARY CLINTON not only has 8 years of White House experience but also 8 years of Senate experience. BO needs more experience. If he wins the nomination, he is unlikely to win the presidency - which will give us four more wasted years of Republican rule. If he does win, it will give us four years of wasted time while he learns what he can do and cannot do, realistically. Does any of us have four more years to waste? Personally, I cannot afford four more years of a floundering economy and worsening environmental degradation. HILLARY CLINTON has the knowledge, experience, focus, executive skills and stamina to set an agenda and persist until most of it gets achieved.

The "automatic" delegates should see this, and support HILLARY CLINTON.

gepenny12:27PMMay 14th 2008

Hillary can win the swing states,Obama cannot I do not want 4 more years of republicans in the white house.Go Hillary

HenryHColeman12:33PMMay 14th 2008

With HRC as Presidentof this great country, with her mindset will further the harmway this countryis in with many, many of the other countries.all fairminded people realize we need a president can bring people and other countries together instead of devide. Why you think all this shooting in these school? Because the shooters have been bullied and decided to take action. Think about, Obama is what this country needs to get it creditability back and bring other countries as friends.Further, we have our young men and women dying daily trying to bring the Iraqis together and we are so devided ourselve. finally we Americans with the mindset we have are self-destructive over a small thing as race. If we're so patriotic, why we donot live the America way?

Alicia1:01PMMay 14th 2008

I agree! She should stay in as long as she isn't hurting the party.

Roma1:35PMMay 14th 2008

Every vote MUST count if we expect this to be a truly American contest - otherwise we, as a nation and a true democracy, can no longer claim fairness and equality to ourselves and the world.

cbleelaw2:02PMMay 14th 2008

I disagree:
1. She's hurting the party. After the "hardworking Americans, white Americans" her presence on the ticket would break the party in half, and no ticket with her on it would be any other way.
2. The emphasis on W Va is wrong. Obama has had numerous wins where she got less than that, and nobody suggested she should drop out then. This is a total of two, with the other being Arkansas. In many other states without AAs he's won huge majorities which include the class here contended belongs to her alone.
3. She and her supporters may not believe in baggage, but the rest of us know it's there and it's growing. The Tan support in connection with sweat shops in Saipan is just one. Peter Paul is another. Only fear of being treated as anti-woman has prevented full coverage, but Repubs don't care about that. And look how well Wright didn't work for Repubs in LA and MS.
4. She's never won a fight she fought in. Lots of blood on the ground and the other side with the victory wreath is the way it goes with her fights, because she starts by killing her own supporters. It won't be different this fall.
5. She can't raise money for the ticket with a 20MM deficit and growing in her campaign.
5. Phony issues like waving nukes at "Obliterating Iran" and the gas tax holiday. You can fool some of the people some of the time....
6. She won't let MI settle on terms satisfactory to it, and FLA is controlled by her supporters to keep the issue open to the convention so she can continue to spin, good of the voters be hanged.

Romanoff2:50PMMay 14th 2008

To BR: You got it right, these two are not trusting and I'm sorry I lost my precious time reading all that BS, these two, again, should change jobs, maybe shining rove's shoes fit them.

Irv in Oregon3:28PMMay 14th 2008

Some of us believe HRC is already ahead in the popular vote. Why are we counting votes obtained in caucas's? Isn't it interesting that Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted by the UN with our approval) says "the will of the people shall be expressed in genuine elections held by secret ballot or equivalent free voting procedures." Caucas's, where voter intimidation without any secrecy is the name of the game, are a clear violation of the declaration. They do not express the will of the people (at least when we voted for this declaration that is what we said and it is what we say to every other country planning elections). Without caucas's, HRC is ahead in every way. Can you image if any other country elected its leaders in open caucas without secret ballots. We would, of course, refuse to accept such "elections." Only in the US do we believe this is an acceptable practice.

Sattmarjo5:45PMMay 14th 2008

Hillary is a winner and she will be our next president despite the fact that the media has already crowned Obama as, not only the Nomenee, but also the future President. I wish the media could understand that their job is to REPORT THE NEWS not take sides and decide who should get the nomination, that is the job of the so called superdelegates. The media has ignored important unresolved issues regarding Obama's past and lack of experience. Obama is a politician who appeared out of nowhere and has been treated by the media with silk gloves, why? only the media knows! Hillary has demonstrated once and again that she is the best and strongest candidate, too bad that the chauvinists in the media cannot bring themselves to support a woman who can do a job better than most of them ever could!