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Israel Talking to Hamas
May 19th 2008 11:12AM
Filed Under:ePresident Bush, Barack Obama, John McCain, Breaking News
Time for a reality check. After last week's big political dust-up between President Bush, Barack Obama and John McCain about whether talking to Hamas or Iran constituted "appeasement," comes word that Israel, the country who provided the presidential backdrop for the controversy, has itself started talking to Hamas. From Haaretz:
Participants at a recent inner cabinet meeting were listening to details of the Egyptian mediation initiative between Israel and Hamas on a cease-fire in the Gaza Strip recently, when a senior minister reportedly reminded those present that Israel does not negotiate, directly or indirectly, with Hamas. Shin Bet security service head Yuval Diskin interrupted, saying there was no other way to describe the talks.
A letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, the details of which were revealed Friday, called for indirect and secret talks with Hamas to be recognized.
So, does this mean that Israel is guilty of Nazi-era-like appeasement? Perhaps McBush are preparing their condemnation for later in the day.
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 5)neil11:39AMMay 19th 2008
so where are u obama bashers now..last week saying that he is soft on foriegn plocies..and an appeaser...most of u all on this sight have never traveled abroad and know nothing of the world accept what u see on tv..and have no concept of different people ..to have any lasting peace u have to sit down with everybody...theres an old arabic poverb...'KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSER,BUT KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER'..wake america,,its a new day..even israel have realized this,..maybe if bush spoke to sadam..4000 americans would be alive today..
Davidg11:41AMMay 19th 2008
Israel can do whatever Israel wants to do.
What's your point?
I wonder if the leaders of Hamas and Israel set any pre-conditions before meeting? Barack Obama woudn't so why should they?
If you want to use twisted logic and silliness it works both ways.
John11:47AMMay 19th 2008
Israel just showed the republicans what itelligent people do as compaired to BUSH and McCain idiots.
neil11:48AMMay 19th 2008
ok davidg
what has hamas ever done to america...how many american have they killed..building blown up..please enlighten me
John11:49AMMay 19th 2008
Exactly Davidg if you twist the truth and the logic you get the republican version
John11:52AMMay 19th 2008
Man o man its like a hard rains a comin down on the republican party so hard it might wash them away.
john11:52AMMay 19th 2008
right on jp goodrow - if you want to vote against racism/elitism and hypocrisy - vote for McCain
Zack11:59AMMay 19th 2008
Any one who follows the israeli/palestinian conflict closely would tell you that israel was never against negotiations with any group, they said it times and times again.
they negotiated with Egypt during the war, with Jordan, with the PLO, with all arabic countries...
they even are in the process of negotiating with Iran about Iranian jews still in Iran.
Bush tried to play Rambo infront of the kenesset and he had the right to, he helped israel a lot.
But for McBush to follow him blindly without getting the facts straight shows that he has neither the personality to make his own opinion nor the intelligence to come up with solutions as Obama did.
diplomacy and negotiation are a part of politics, if you don't believe in them then you shouldn't be in politics.
neil12:05PMMay 19th 2008
hey john
davidg and his friends
are the reason why we are in this miss in iraq..we have to talk to enemies..we don't have to agree on everything but we have to talk..maybe then we can bring down the walls,,..what are u affraid of davidg..tell why its a bad idea to talk to hamas and iran..tell me and everyone else..so we can see how ignorant u are..
TJ12:11PMMay 19th 2008
I HOPE THE DEMOCRATIC ANTI-CLINTONS HAVE LINED UP AN ENDORSER FOR HILLARY'S TUESDAY'S WIN.
AS SOON AS SHE WINS,THE BACKSTABBERS AND THE ANTI-CLINTONS, ENDORSE.
DO WHAT YOU WILL OBAMA IS D. O. A
HE IS GOING NOWHERE
THE IMPORTANT CONSTITUENCIES AREN'T VOTING HIM.
CLINTON OR MCCAIN 08
TJ, THE PROUD CLINTONITE.
neil12:12PMMay 19th 2008
now thats how davidg,mccain ,bush do there talking..they say some ignorant things..and then run for cover...
TJ12:16PMMay 19th 2008
GUYS, WHY ARE WE MERELY TALKING TO HAMAS AND IRAN?... WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO, PURPORTEDLY UNDER OBAMA, IS BRING THEM ALL IN... BUILD A BOMB FACTORY NEXT DOOR...
THEN GO TALK TO THEM AFTERWARDS.
BUNCH OF IGNORANT, NAIVE, AND SIMPLISTIC OBAMAMANIACS.
THESE IDIOTS ARE BOMBING SCHOLLS, HOSPITALS AND MARKET PALCES TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
THE PRIMARIES IS STILL ON. HILLARY SAVE US OR I WILL LIVE WITH THE MAVERICK A LITTTLE LONGER.
TJ, THE CLINTONITE, OBAMA BUSTER
TJ12:19PMMay 19th 2008
BY THE WAY, WHEN IS OBAMA AND HIS MANIACS ISSUEING "THE LITTLE RED BOOK OF 'YES WE CAN'" OR PERHAPS. "OF CHINA."
CRAZY MANIACS
CLINTON OR MCCAIN 08
TJ
Davidg12:21PMMay 19th 2008
Okay once again.
This whole thing started because Barack Obama said, during a debate, for the entire world to hear, that he would sit down with anybody without pre-conditions.
Clinton and the Republicans said that was unrealistic.
The OBOTS went into crazy cover mode, just like they do with everything.
All this is about is preconditions. If Hamas and Israel want to talk, nobody is saying or ever said they could not.
Now Obama is starting with "lay off my wife" imagine the nerve after everything his minions did to Bill Clinton.
All the Obots can do is create a monster. They don't need to create a monster. They have one in their own candidate.
TJ12:26PMMay 19th 2008
CORRECTED :
GUYS, WHY ARE WE MERELY TALKING TO HAMAS AND IRAN?... WHEN ALL WE HAVE TO DO, PURPORTEDLY UNDER OBAMA, IS BRING THEM ALL IN... BUILD A BOMB FACTORY NEXT DOOR...
THEN GO TALK TO THEM AFTERWARDS.
BUNCH OF IGNORANT, NAIVE, AND SIMPLISTIC OBAMAMANIACS.
THESE IDIOTS ARE BOMBING SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS AND MARKET PLACES TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
THE PRIMARIES IS STILL ON. HILLARY SAVE US OR I WILL LIVE WITH THE MAVERICK A LITTTLE LONGER.
TJ, THE CLINTONITE, OBAMA BUSTER
mafresources12:37PMMay 19th 2008
Obama's foreign policy positions are a sham, they are made up of generalities that offer only criticism and point out failures as opposed to offering any stated solutions. Don't believe me, check out his own campaign website or read the article below. It is by far the most comprehensive look at Obama's foreign policy.
http://tinyurl.com/6gjbrp
Zack12:39PMMay 19th 2008
TJ12:19PMMay 19th 2008
BY THE WAY, WHEN IS OBAMA AND HIS MANIACS ISSUEING "THE LITTLE RED BOOK OF 'YES WE CAN'" OR PERHAPS. "OF CHINA."
CRAZY MANIACS
CLINTON OR MCCAIN 08
TJ
=================================
TJ
It's not gonna be Obama or his supporters who are going to issue the book, history is will write that book and u know what the title will be:
""""""""'"" THE MAN WHO CHANGED AMERICA""""""""""
i hope we're still alive when that book comes out, otherwise our children, grand children and great grand children will enjoy it and i'll be smiling in my grave when my great great great grand children be telling their friends that their great great great grand pa voted for president Obama.
History is in the making and we are living it, those who don't wanna be part of this American Revolution will regret it one day.
Jason12:45PMMay 19th 2008
“Change We Can Believe in” Does anyone else feel that Barack sound like a broken record. The man talks but makes no sense
Splash12:51PMMay 19th 2008
neil -
No where does it say that Isreali and American policies in dealing with our enemies have to match. Furthermore, Hamas is not a recognized country that sponsors, supports and arms the terrorist groups and militias that killed most of those 4,000 soldiers you are so willing to use for political purposes. They died BECAUSE of Iran, not because we won't talk to Iran.
Here's the history. Hitler was appeased and his regime and power grew until we, America, took an 'unconditional surrender' policy.
Japan, until we annialated Hiroshima and Nagasaki, would have fought to the last man and took out millions of Americans and millions more civilians, had we appeased. We would have taken thos losses and invaded if we hadn't had the bomb, because appeasement was not an option.
North Korea held out for direct talks with the US, but when we stood fast, we got what we wanted; they are still pushing the envelope, but we will win that one as long as we don't appease.
Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN (& Bill Clinton) for 10 years. Only when W said enough is enough did he fall. Everything after that was the doing of Malitias, Shiite/Sunni clashes Al Queda and Iran; they were the ones who wanted more fighting death and oppressive power.
Iran 'secretly' supplies the weapons that killed many of those 4,000 soldiers. In due time, all enemies sit down to work out solutions; Iran is not interested in solutions. W knows that. McCain knows that. Even Hillary knows that. Obama does not.
Whatever Isreal does with Hamas (or Hezzbollah) is immaterial when it comes to how the US negotiates with a state sponsor of terror that has a seat at the UN whose biggest voting block is Muslim and has four UN allies with veto power willing to muck up any negotiating muscle the US has.
Yes, sitting down with Iran without preset conditions is not just appeasement, but outright begging. Reality: we don't need Iran to win in Iraq. We are winning. We will win. And when we win, in spite of the fact that we did not enlist the help of Iran, then Iran will be weakened. It is why al Sadr's militia called for a cease fire; they were being beaten by the Iraqi army and police with some (and I mean some) support from US and British air power.
It is looking better and better for US and worse and worse for Iran's goons inside Iraq. Unless, of course, we appease which is exactly why Iran, Hamas Hezzbollah and many other Radical Muslim American hating dust dwellers want a Dem in the white house and Obama specifically. The enemy could not ask for a better political environment in America than that.
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jpgoodrow11:38AMMay 19th 2008
OBAMA WANTS THE GOP TO LAY OFF HIS WIFE while he and his camp constantly attack Bill Clinton???
UNBELIEVEABLE! In America we call that being a lying hypocrite! If he does not want scrutiny of his wife, he should offer her a zipper for her big mouth.
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