bonbon4:56PMMay 29th 2008

TO ALL VOTERS

OK tell me

1. What state are you from?

2. Did you cast a vote?

3. Suppose the DNC or Whoever decided they could change your vote.

4. Suppose the DNC or whoever choose to decide your vote was not allowed to count, POOF, they took it away.

You say you wouldn't be mad, but I bet you would, you would be mad as HELL.

There is something more important here than just Florida, Michigan, and the RULES.

MUCH MUCH BIGGER.

our right to vote is our right to freedom, freedom of speech, our rights period.

WE THE PEOPLE HAVE CERTAIN INALLIENABLE RIGHTS.

one is to vote for the candidate of our choice and NO ONE can change that vote.

NO ONE

Otherwise we stop being a DEMOCRACY and become a COMMUNIST STATE. or a DICTATORSHIP

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE DNC OR THE RULES.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT HILLARY OR OBAMA.

THIS IS BIGGER THAN THEM.

THIS IS ABOUT YOU, ME AND EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN

AND OUR RIGHT TO VOTE AND HAVE THAT VOTE COUNT.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARTY AFFILIATIONS

DON'T YOU GET IT.

THE WHOLE IDEA OF INVADING IRAQ WAS TO GET RID OF SUDDAM HUSSEIN. TO GIVE IRAQ A CHANCE TO BECOME A DEMOCRACY.

OUR SOLDIERS DIED SO THEY COULD HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO VOTE, TO FREELY VOTE, FOR WHOMEVER THEY WANTED TO.

AS WE DO OR DID.

AND IF WE ALLOW THE DNC TO TAKE AWAY

TO DENY JUST ONE VOTE

THEN WHAT COMES NEXT

BECAUSE TO DENY JUST ONE VOTE

IS TO DENY EVERY VOTE

YOURS INCLUDED

YOURS INCLUDED.

democracy at risk10:29PMMay 29th 2008

What kind of a people think that rules and punishments are more important than a democracy? Our country means nothing if we do not do our most to count every vote that was cast, period. People should be willing to die for their democracy, let alone throw it away without so much as a backward glance. I want my candidate to win too, but not at the cost of discounting even 1 vote that was placed. For shame on you people for effectively destroying the founding principle of our nation. If all votes are not counted then America is little more than a banana republic.

DividedWeAre10:37PMMay 29th 2008

Read the 14th 15th and 19th and 26th Amendments. Do we really need to put one in that "the right of a citizen to vote in a primary or presidential election shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of SHEER STUPIDITY AND ANTIQUIDATED RULES OF OUR VOTING SYSTEM!"

Four days, four regional primaries, no caucuses, popular vote or winner takes all. This is not the 1800s when people lived too far apart to travel to vote. We are too technologically savvy not to be able to record the vote of the PEOPLE.

This is ridiculous.

Take it to the CONVENTION Clinton - give the super Ds and D's the chance to vote out of the public eye and I'll bet you'll see a whole different ball game.

YOU GO GIRL!

HILLARY '08

Ronn5:30AMMay 30th 2008

FL and MI, in defiance of party rules voted early. A penalty must be paid for ignoring them. Remember, Hillaryous AGREED to exclude them when she was the presumptive nominee, she lied to me about sniper fire in Bosnia, and she DID support Bubba's NAFTA deal, and she DIDN'T get health care done once already, she recklessly implied only hard working white american voters count, she recklessly implied assassinated is a valid reason for staying in the race, she's the victim of a liberal media, and she's a victim of sexism. Oh yeah, she wants to redo her YES vote for killing 4,1oo americans too.
Inevitability and entitlement will lose to integrity and accountability in this primary. Thats a change i can believe in! **Sen. Barack Obama for President**

Ronn5:34AMMay 30th 2008

HRC only had 55% of the vote in MI despite BHO not being on the ballot! How do you get 55% of the vote and 100% of the pledged delegates? When you'll try anything to win... that's how- nice try Hillary-ous.

John10:42AMMay 30th 2008

bonbon: As usual, you refuse to listen to reason. Here is the crux of Greg's argument:

"On one hand, those who argue to seat the delegates, claim their votes must count or some other empty quip of a broken democracy, claims that are essentially advocating lawlessness and inequality.

Florida and Michigan broke their Party's rules. If rules or laws have meaning, they must be enforced.


The other states who abided by the rules will be treated unequally if the rules are not enforced."


Advocating lawlessness and inequality--this is what you are supporting. Selective enforcement of any law weakens all law.

I know you do not like Senator Obama. I know you adore Hillary Clinton. I like her, too, even though I believe Senator Obama is better equipped to serve the nation as President. But, "advocating lawlessness and inequality" is not the way to support your candidate.

John in Philadelphia
OBAMA '08

WILMA2:54PMMay 30th 2008

THE DNC CHANGED THE RULES TO PLACE THEIR CHOICE (OBAMA) IN A MORE FAVORABLE POSSITION . THE RULES WERE FIXED. OBAMA ALSO RAN TV ADS IN FLORIDA AND HILLARY DID NOT. THEY WERE BOTH ON THE BALLOT AND ALL VOTES SHOULD COUNT. OBAMA BROKE THE RULE MORE BY RUNNING TV ADS AFTER SIGNING HE WOULD NOT CAMPAIGN IN FLA.HILLARY OR MCCAIN. NEVER OBAMA.

Marty8:38AMMay 31st 2008

Why have rules if your not going to follow them???

ed.slough1:08AMJun 1st 2008

OPEN LETTER TO SENATOR BARAK OBAMA:

Dear Senator Obama!

You and the members of your campaign deserve congratulations. You have out-maneuvered the Clinton campaign. You have raised record amounts of campaign contributions. You have a majority of the delegates selected in the primaries --- especially in caucus states. Your campaign has turned-out such huge crowds at your campaign events that you have been compared to a rock star. Even though you have failed to win enough selected delegates to cinch the nomination, you have managed to line-up the Democratic Party leadership behind your candidacy with the argument that you have won more selected delegates than Clinton. Congratulations are in order.

But what I want to know, Senator Obama, is what are you going to do now? I have read and seen incredibly ugly blogs filled with "hate-talk" against both you and Senator Clinton. While I do commend you for your statements of admiration for Senator Clinton, both campaigns have remained relatively silent on the gutter-level attacks by your supporters against your opponent. You have said that you have a new vision for change in America, one which is inclusive. Well, how are you going to change the incredible animosity between the large numbers of Obama supporters and Clinton supporters? How are you going to re-unite the Democratic Party? All I have heard is that you are confident you will not lose New York or California (which is probably true), two states "won" by Senator Clinton.

The general election will require a completely different set of skills, and a different level of political mastery. Given the consequences of your own religious affiliations, how can you possibly convince rural and suburban blue collar voters that you understand that their religious beliefs are interwoven into the fabric of their community, social and personal lives? How can you convince individuals for whom owning a gun and hunting is a family tradition dating back to the days of the settlers that they will not be disenfranchised by an Obama Administration? Do you think your eloquent oratory and huge crowds will win them over?

By referencing the strong Democratic vote in New York and California, it appears that you intend to rely on McCain the Republican to gain the grudging support --- and vote --- of Clinton's supporters. If that is your strategy, I must tell you, Senator Obama, that I think you are dead wrong. Despite the high stakes of this election, voters who are really turned-off will stay home and not vote. A large chunk of Clinton's supporters will, if things remain as they are today, feel completely disenfranchised by your nomination as the Democratic Party candidate. They do not feel that you are capable of adequately representing their interests.

I hope you are giving these questions and issues your very serious consideration, Senator Obama. I am waiting for you to convince me that I should vote for you.

Warmest Regards!

Edward A. Slough
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

edward.slough8:03PMJun 3rd 2008

OPEN LETTER TO SENATOR BARAK OBAMA:

Dear Senator Obama!

You and the members of your campaign deserve congratulations. You have out-maneuvered the Clinton campaign. You have raised record amounts of campaign contributions. You have a majority of the delegates selected in the primaries --- especially in caucus states. Your campaign has turned-out such huge crowds at your campaign events that you have been compared to a rock star. Even though you have failed to win enough selected delegates to cinch the nomination, you have managed to line-up the Democratic Party leadership behind your candidacy with the argument that you have won more selected delegates than Clinton. Congratulations are in order.

But what I want to know, Senator Obama, is what are you going to do now? I have read and seen incredibly ugly blogs filled with "hate-talk" against both you and Senator Clinton. While I do commend you for your statements of admiration for Senator Clinton, both campaigns have remained relatively silent on the gutter-level attacks by your supporters against your opponent. You have said that you have a new vision for change in America, one which is inclusive. Well, how are you going to change the incredible animosity between the large numbers of Obama supporters and Clinton supporters? How are you going to re-unite the Democratic Party? All I have heard is that you are confident you will not lose New York or California (which is probably true), two states "won" by Senator Clinton.

The general election will require a completely different set of skills, and a different level of political mastery. Given the consequences of your own religious affiliations, how can you possibly convince rural and suburban blue collar voters that you understand that their religious beliefs are interwoven into the fabric of their community, social and personal lives? How can you convince individuals for whom owning a gun and hunting is a family tradition dating back to the days of the settlers that they will not be disenfranchised by an Obama Administration? Do you think your eloquent oratory and huge crowds will win them over?

By referencing the strong Democratic vote in New York and California, it appears that you intend to rely on McCain the Republican to gain the grudging support --- and vote --- of Clinton's supporters. If that is your strategy, I must tell you, Senator Obama, that I think you are dead wrong. Despite the high stakes of this election, voters who are really turned-off will stay home and not vote. A large chunk of Clinton's supporters will, if things remain as they are today, feel completely disenfranchised by your nomination as the Democratic Party candidate. They do not feel that you are capable of adequately representing their interests.

I hope you are giving these questions and issues your very serious consideration, Senator Obama. I am waiting for you to convince me that I should vote for you.

Warmest Regards!

Edward A. Slough
Ft. Lauderdale, Florida

e.a.slough10:10PMJun 3rd 2008

CLINTON SHOULD TAKE HER DEMOCRATIC
NOMINATION BATTLE TO CONVENTION!!!

I most certainly agree that the Democratic Party primary processes are a huge mess!!! The number of selected delegates does NOT represent who is most electable in November. Hillary Clinton has been
flogged in the press and media for questioning the math which gives a majority of delegates to a candidate who is far behind in the electoral vote count. Look at how her remarks about Robert Kennedy
were distorted.

The June 1968 California Primary is indelibly imprinted in the consciousness of Americans because Bobby Kennedy was assassinated at his victory celebration at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. RFK was celebrating the California "win" because it gave RFK enough delegates to deny a majority to any other candidate, and to force a "floor fight" for the nomination. a "brokered convention" was RFK's only
path to the Presidency.

Hillary was attempting to draw on something which most (if not all) Americans would immediately remember. RFK was assassinated in June. Were he NOT assassinated, there would have been a "floor fight" for the nomination which most expected RFK to win, even though he entered the primary campaign late, and would have had fewer selected delegates than other candidates.

Clinton's point is that we have had nominations go to the convention floor in the past. She is far ahead in the electoral vote count, and has won in crucial "swing" states --- Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia --- necessary for a Democratic victory in November. While Obama has a shot at bringing formerly "red" states such as
Virginia and Colorado into the Democratic column, Clinton has a shot at bringing Arkansas and Kentucky into the Democratic column.

Hillary Clinton can make a very strong case for her nomination by the Democratic Party. So why is everyone telling her to quit? When Reagan took his fight against Gerald Ford to the convention floor, did he have a stronger case than Clinton? Had RFK not been assassinated, would his case for securing the nomination have been any stronger than Clinton's? This primary election is much closer, both in terms
of the popular vote and in terms of selected delegates, than either RFK's or Reagan's!!! So why is everyone putting such pressure on Clinton to withdraw? Clinton has a very good case for continuing
her candidacy --- she's beating McCain in the electoral vote count, and Obama is not.

HILLARY CLINTON OWES IT TO THOSE WHO VOTED FOR HER IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO PREVENT THEIR DISENFRANSHISEMENT!!!

edslough11:38AMJun 5th 2008

STOP THIS "HATE-TALK!"

I support Senator Hillary Clinton because she knows how to get things
done in Washington. She did not rely on her "fame" as First Lady, or
on Bill, to earn the Democratic Party nomination. She got elected to
the Senate, rolled her sleeves up, and worked very hard and
productively with both sides of the aisle to advance the issues
important to her constituents and important to America.

However, her campaign has not been stellar. She made a major misstep
in allowing Obama to make her vote in favor of the Iraq War a major
campaign issue early in the campaign. Her refusal to "apologize" for
her vote was taken as "Clinton Hubris." She should have said that
Congress was misled and provided with distorted information upon
which to make decisions, and then said that, of course, if she knew
then what is now known, she would have voted differently.

What she should do now is make a very strong statement against the
racist, anti-Muslim attacks on Senator Obama. She should congratulate
the Obama campaign for winning more selected delegates. And she
should
continue her battle for the nomination into the convention. She must
overcome her pragmatism and speak-up with great moral authority
against the politics of hate. She needs to inspire her supporters to
be better Americans. She MUST overcome the view that the "Clintons"
would do anything to win.

The continuation of the anti-Obama hate blogs will only lessen
Hillary's present and future political options. She must give a
strong and inspiring direction to the remainder of her campaign. Much
as I love him, she must stop listening to Bill!!!

DO NOT DISENFRANCHIZE FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN VOTERS!

eddie~slough6:00PMJun 12th 2008

DNC BIAS IN MICHIGAN DELEGATE DEAL-MAKING!!!

The decision to penalize Michigan by "allocating" 4 Clinton delegates
to Obama is OUTRAGEOUS! The one thing we are certain about in
Michigan is that those who voted for Hillary Clinton knew exactly for
whom they were voting. In order to ensure that Michigan voters were
NOT disenfranchized by the DNC, it was necessary for the two
campaigns to "negotiate" the allocation of delegates.

A standard negotiation tactic is to ask for more than you expect to
receive, so that you have room to "compromise" and accept less.
The Obama Campaign seems to have the DNC and the Democratic
leadership in their back pocket. Exit polls showed that about 75%
who voted "Other" supported Obama, and 25% supported Edwards.
So how did Obama receive MORE THAN 100% of the uncommitted
delegates? The Obama Campaign is "rubbing salt in the wounds"
of Clinton supporters. This will NOT re-unite the Democrats ...!!!

NO DELEGATE HIJACKING! STOP DNC ANTI-CLINTON BIAS!