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What if Bin Laden Gets Habeas?
Jun 19th 2008 7:40PM
Filed Under:eDemocrats, Barack Obama, Fred Thompson, Featured Stories, 2008 President
insurrection against the other 2 branches of government.The whole thing has become a crashing bore for those of us with brain cells, as the entire enterprise uses a deliberate and fundamental misreading of Barack Obama's position on terrorism as its fulcrum.
Damn, I think I picked something up from Thompson. Anyway, the highlight for me was unloading the question I had wanted to ask Rudy Giuliani, but didn't get the chance to, on Barack Obama's assembled experts. From yesterday's conference call with Susan Rice, Greg Craig, and Adam Smith:
[Q] Hi this is, Tom [inaudible] quick question, [inaudible]. They mentioned Osama Bin Laden being granted habeas corpus rights and Rudie Juliani even said that he found it (inaudible) amazing I guess what I'm wonder is do you have any idea what Juliana and John McCain think is the worst thing that could happen (inaudible)He goes in front of a judge, and boom! What happens?Weird transcript, I know. It's from one of those voice recognition programs that can never understand you when you're trying to pay your cable bill. I thought I'd leave it as is, since it's funnier that way, and who am I to argue with it?I really wanted to get Rudy's take on it, because I bet it would have been interesting, but that call was really short, and unlike Fred Thompson, lots of people want to talk to Rudy.
I had a pretty good idea that the answer would be some variation of, "The judge would bang the gavel, say a few words for the TV cameras, like Judge Larry from the Anna Nicole Smith hearing, and then the guards would drag him back to his cell."
The pleasant surprise here, though, was Susan Rice swooping in at the end to point out that all of this is a moot frakking point, because Bin Laden is still at large, and John McCain is too chicken to go into Pakistan to get him. (I added that last part. McCain actually says now that he wasn't criticizing Obama for wanting to go into Pakistan, only for saying he wanted to go into Pakistan.)
Anyway, here's the rest of the (humorously titled) Verbatim transcript of the exchange.
Well what would happen there is that you have ample ground to hold him and if (inaudible) none of this would even happen until Osama bin laden wound up either in Guantanamo or in the United States if we brought him back. If we brought him back if anyone (inaudible) Juliana or John McCain (inaubile) that they believe our (inaudible) osama bin laden saying there were no grounds whatsoever to hold him it is a ridiculous argument that distracts from the larger issues that we all have raised here
Congressman that's great now let me just add to that that there is (inaudible) which will respect osama bin laden and so that the hypothetical question that's being raised here is "hey if you capture him alive " he he is transported out of wherever he is (inaudible) captured (Guantanamo ) and then you can raise the question about Guantanamo. But I agree with congressman smith that I have no doubt that there will be no problems (inaudible) responsible for murdering 3,000 people
As you point out there is a authorization of the use of force to kill bin laden not occurred 7 years later under George Bush in fact our efforts in that regime have been (inaudible) and it was Barack Obama who made the point very forcefully (inaudible) that when he is president and we have actual intelligence about high (inaudible) al quida targets like bin laden and the host government is unable or unwilling to act that he will act and take the part in (inaudible) John McCain criticizes that approach and yet he suggests that others have a long (inaudible) approach-that's completely a distortion of reality of barrack obama's approach and it reveals a great deal about John McCain's approach
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 4)Vee8:36PMJun 19th 2008
Posted By: Vee, 6/19/08,7:30 pm
Bin Laden has been dead for several years. Not to
worry about him any more. He died of natural disease.
timothy sigler8:41PMJun 19th 2008
Vee how is he still making tapes, If he's dead?
ARABIANDANCER8:55PMJun 19th 2008
WELL, T.C. ITS YOUR CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO PUT TERRORISTS ON TRIAL LIKE OSAMA BIN LADEN. MAYBE OBAMA CAN ARRANGE A PARDON FOR HIM OR MAKE HIM A CUMMUNITY ORGANIZER IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO. MEANWHILE HE CAN TAKE LIMO RIDES AND DO DRUGS. YES, THATS YOUR GUY !
bonbon9:20PMJun 19th 2008
Obama has already made it quite clear that he wants to bomb the hell out of Pakistan, knowing all to well that they have nuclear capabilities.
but when Hillary was asked, if and only if, she had to bomb Iran, could she do it, and she said she could, not that she wanted to, the critics made mincemeat of her, and left Obama alone.
Crystal9:30PMJun 19th 2008
Obama advisers: Osama would get access to court
If al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is captured, he should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts, according to Sen. Barack Obama's foreign policy advisers.
Sen. John Kerry and former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke told reporters in a conference call yesterday bin Laden would benefit from last week's U.S. Supreme Court decision giving foreign terrorism suspects the right to appeal their military detention to civilian courts.
Clarke, responding to a question from the Washington Examiner, said that if bin Laden were brought back to the U.S., "the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus."
I can't believe we would really allow him to live.
Crystal9:35PMJun 19th 2008
Obama advisers: Osama would get access to court
If al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden is captured, he should be allowed to appeal his case to U.S. civilian courts, according to Sen. Barack Obama's foreign policy advisers.
Sen. John Kerry and former White House counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke told reporters in a conference call yesterday bin Laden would benefit from last week's U.S. Supreme Court decision giving foreign terrorism suspects the right to appeal their military detention to civilian courts.
Clarke, responding to a question from the Washington Examiner, said that if bin Laden were brought back to the U.S., "the Supreme Court ruling holds on the right of habeas corpus."
Are they crazy?
Crystal9:41PMJun 19th 2008
And here goes MSNBC again. The closest they will come to saying Obama flip flopped today is to say it was a disappointment.
OhReally9:47PMJun 19th 2008
Don't look for Bin Laden..I FOUND him..I FOUND him...he is BOs long lost brother.
You wouldn't want to execute a "bro" would you.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/2008/03/05/pic30814.jpg
Makes a great desktop picture.
Fed-up with the DNC10:26PMJun 19th 2008
http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/28c711df-47b3-4d2c-a1c5-612bd7a4e488.htm
a great timeline of BO's flip-flops
Fed-up with the DNC10:35PMJun 19th 2008
Tommy, next time, don't delete my comment.
Peggy10:41PMJun 19th 2008
I think we should haul him in for a preliminary hearing, let him enter a plea and set him free on bail. That way, the whole world will see what a just, honorable wonderful country we are. Of course, he might just skip out on the bail and go back to his evil ways but, what the heck. At least everyone else will love us.
Fed-up with the DNC10:48PMJun 19th 2008
Tommy,
you might as well go write political news for CNN because it's clear that you like to censor your posts by deleting all the comments that aren't pro-obama
you'd fit in perfectly right next to cafferty
jpgoodrow10:55PMJun 19th 2008
UNBELIEVABLE!!! SO OBAMA DOES NOT WANT THE DEATH for OSAMA...
America needs a president, not an idiot like Obama.
Crystal11:11PMJun 19th 2008
Fed-up with the DNC10:48PMJun 19th 2008
Tommy,
you might as well go write political news for CNN because it's clear that you like to censor your posts by deleting all the comments that aren't pro-obama
you'd fit in perfectly right next to cafferty
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It's AOL who is messing up. It's been happening to me too. Just takes a while to show!
Will Wolthuis11:17PMJun 19th 2008
Habeas Corpus is part of our legal system. Correction. It was part of our legal system before the Republicans raped it.
Bin Laden is entitled to it as will Bush be when he goes to Court for looting our Treasury with bogus wars.
sue11:18PMJun 19th 2008
Would not supries me in the least if Obama picked Bin Laden for Vice president.
Will Wolthuis11:23PMJun 19th 2008
Habeas Corpus is a basic human right. It should apply to even such as Bin Laden or Bin Bush when that odious troll goes to trial for looting the Treasury with bogus wars.
Will Wolthuis11:24PMJun 19th 2008
And I'm sure the oil companies will pick McCain's Vice President in accordance with how Republicans do things.
Rocky11:50PMJun 19th 2008
Can this be so???
Yes it can and is.
I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can!
Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!
A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality
that they imagine that America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves.
Pause a moment, reflect back.
These events are actual events from history.
They really happened!!!
Do you remember?
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by Muslim
male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40.
2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
3. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by
Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille L auro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
8. In 1988 , Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
9. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
10. In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim male extremists between the of 17 and 40.
12. In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim
male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by-- you guessed it-- Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40.
No, I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure we Americans never offend anyone,
particularly fanatics intent on killing us,
airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile certain people...
Absolutely No Profiling!
They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women,
little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents
who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor winner and former Governor Joe Foss,
but leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of profiling.
According to The Book of Revelations:
The Anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who
will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, he will destroy everything.
And Now:
For the award-winning
Act of Stupity
Of all times the People of America want to elect, to the most Powerful position on the face of the Planet --
The Presidency of the United states of America
A Muslim
Male
Extremist
Between
the ages
of 17 and 40.
Have the American People completely lost their Minds, or just their Power of Reason ???
I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate
Let's send this to as many people as we can so that the Gloria Aldreds and other stupid attorneys along with Federal Justices that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.
As the writer of the award winning story 'Forrest Gump' so aptly put it,
'Stupid
Is
As
Stupid Does.'
And the Democratic Congress, seems to be showing us this over and over again, when are they going to wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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