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RNC on Obama on NAFTA
Tommy had a good post up earlier pointing out that there are a lot of shades of grey here. Which is correct. Obama was not nearly as against NAFTA as he wanted certain people to believe, and he is not as pro-NAFTA as Fortune makes him out to be. And therein lies the problem. It is simply that Obama words his issues carefully enough that anyone can read their preferred meaning into them, whether it's pro/anti NAFTA, or pro/anti public financing. It's a nice showcase for his skills as a rhetorician, because each of those statements sounded great as a standalone. It's when you put them together, as the RNC has done here, that you have a problem.
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 2)TJ12:14AMJun 21st 2008
DNC IS STUCK WITH OBAMA
SUPERDELEGATES SUPERTHIEVES--
EVERYTHING THIS GUY AND HIS WIFE SAY ARE LIES
THERE YOU GO.
HE WAS OUT BULLYING MY GIRL HILLARY IN OHIO, CALLING BILL CLINTON NAMES ON NAFTA...
NOW NAFTA IS GOOD' HOW DID AMERIICA BUY THIS GUY'S VODOO SOUP??
WELL, IM WORKING FOR OLD MAN MCCAIN NOW..
STILL LOVE THE CLINTONS..
OBAMA IS DOA.
NEW POLITICS IS NOTHING BUT CHICAGO POLITICS..
TJ, THE UNRELENTING CLINTONITE, SAYING MY GIRL HILLARY HAS A GUN POINTED TO HER HEAD BY DNC AND I'LL HAVE NONE OF IT..
tom12:21AMJun 21st 2008
There is nothing wrong with change, the question is why? We change every day, no river we stekp into is the same river we step into later. So we should be asking why does he change? As far a NAFTA goes, the issue isn't whether or not we should accept mevican goods, rwather it is more that of asking how in the hell did we get to shipping a whole factory down there and then shipping the product back to us as if it were a mexican product. Look, Bush never changed his positions, don't we all wish he had?
Funny how TJ's words never change, he is saying the same thing he said months ago...
It is foolish to adopt a fixed position and never change.
Brian McNamara12:23AMJun 21st 2008
There are alot of Americans not happy with NAFTA. The RNC is helping Senator Obama by bringing this issue up. They help Senator Obama in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and other states affected by NAFTA. It is interesting that according to Newsweek, Senator Obama leads Senator McCain in the national polls by 15%. That is not good news for the RNC or Senator McCain. If it continues or gets worse, the Republicans will lose the White House by a humiliating landslide. Note all the conditions are currently present for this to occur.
tom12:25AMJun 21st 2008
Obama is smarter than you would suppose. It would be more instructive if you followed along with what he does and try to understand why he does. An organism that does not change is considered dead.
tom12:32AMJun 21st 2008
Brian you really shouldn't mention that Obama is leading by fifteen points around here. Around here Obama is losing and it is McCain that will take the prize home. Around here McCain is the saint and Obama is the bad guy. Around here, McCain doesn't change according to his audience, McCain holds to both views of any subject simultaneously and thus can say the right thing no matter where he is. Around here, some people actually believe that is brilliant of him...
tom12:36AMJun 21st 2008
Don't they realize that if a product is manufactured in the USA, the cost of production remains in the USA. But if the manufacture is sent outside the USA, the production costs remains outside the USA. So the flow it away from the USA. We are bleeding to death Duhhhh
tom12:42AMJun 21st 2008
on the other hand, Obama could keep on going in the tradition he has established, and if he does, he will win by the greatest of all landslides in political history; actually change the way politics is done, from corrupt to honest, and in so dong come to be regarded as one of the great presidents of all time. And considering how we are but a crisis away from bankrupcy today thanks to the unregulated greed of the neocons and neoliberals, Obama will be kinown for saving America from that great fall. There isn't anyone living who is experienced in saving a great nation from the histrical collaspe. The only question is can Obama rise to the occasion? I think so and I will tell you why. Obana has strength in leading people to become leaders. Take me for example, they don't know about me, but I willingly spend almost all my free time watching Obama's back. So Obama has the capability of leading a nation of leaders to the victory over demisedom. Only the people can save this nation orginally created by the people of the people and for the people. No other will work together to give it to the people. On;ly the people can do it, only Obama is leading the people.
TJ12:58AMJun 21st 2008
Brian McNamara12, GOOD POINT, BUT IT GOES TO THE CORE ISSUE OF WHO OBAMA IS.
THEY ARE TELLING US THAT THIS GUY HAS MORE CHANCE OF BEING PRESIDENT THAN ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE HE'S GOT $50 MILLION EVERY MONTH.
THEY DONT ALLUDE TO THIS CHARACTER AND THE FACT HE NEVER SAYS THE SAME THING TWICE. HE FLIPS AND FLOPS
NO BIG MONEY IN MY ELECTION, HE SAYS. THEN WE FIND OUT HE IS IN BED WITH BIG MONEY, THE ONLY THING, THEY PAY HIM BIT BY BIT. 30% OF HIS MONEY IS LOBBYIST MONEY
HE MASTERED THE OLD POLITICS IN A NEW WAY. SEE!
TJ1:11AMJun 21st 2008
tom, I NEVER CHANGE BECAUSE IM GROSSLY DISILLUSIONED BY THIS ELECTION. I COME HERE TO VENT. lOOK, I/VE BEEN A DEMOCRAT MY ENTIRE LIFE AND NOW IM A MAN WITHOUT A PARTY.
SAY WHAT THEY WILL, I CANT STAND THIS GUY OBAMA, AND IM FLIRTING WITH REPUBS. IM FRIGGING FLIRTING WITH REPUBS--HOW BAD CAN THIS GET!! SO, ONCE IN A WHILE, I COME OUT HERE AND LET OUT STEAM. I DONT CARE IF OBAMA IS PLANNING ON BEING THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME. HE HAS NOT SHOWN ME THAT WHICH MAKES HIM QUALIFIED TO BE SCOUT MASTER. KNOWING PEOPLE WITH MONEY OR DESIRE FOR UNQUALIFIED CHANGE IS NOT ENOUGH. . YOU DONT BECOME SOMEONE BY KILLING THE STATUS QUO, YOU BUILD ON IT.
OBAMA AND HIS FOLLOWERS TRIED TO DESTROY THE CLINTONS AND NOW , LO AND BEHOLD! THEY DO NEED THE CLINTONS. CHANGE IS NOT ENOUGH AFTER ALL..
TJ, THE CLINTONITE SAYING TO TOM, I'M MAD AS HELL ABOUT THIS FRIGGING ELECTION. MAD AS HELL, TOM.
Peggy1:35AMJun 21st 2008
Tom,
In order to "adopt a fixed position and never change", one first has to have a position. Unfortunately, Obama always has two positions. He's for everything before he's against it or vice versa.
There is only one organism that can change into as many different identities as Obama does. It's an amoeba. Don't forget, it's orginal form consists of one cell.
Peggy2:01AMJun 21st 2008
Tom,
In order to "adopt a fixed position and never change", one first has to have a position. Unfortunately, Obama always has two positions.
He's for everything before he's against it or vice versa.
There is only one organism that can change into as many different identities as Obama does. It's an amoeba. Don't forget, it's orginal form consists of one cell.
Mr. Clark2:50AMJun 21st 2008
Dave,
Shades of grey? Remember, NAFTA was a steady ready weapon against the Clintons until the very last primary. Now, he has the luxury of being a little bit more honest since he isn't trying to bury Hillary at the moment.
There were no shades of grey.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Mr. Clark
Logician3:03AMJun 21st 2008
From the snippets assembled in the ad, I gather Obama said that he is for "free trade" but that he has problems with NAFTA as it is presently constituted.
There is no contradiction in that.
The error in your reasoning is to equate "free trade" with NAFTA as it presently exists. They are not necessarily one and the same thing.
To propose changes in the NAFTA agreement, or even to propose U.S. withdrawl from NAFTA,does not necessarily imply opposition to "free trade".
DavesRaves3:06AMJun 21st 2008
I would never, in a thousand years, vote to put a liberal in the White House. But if I did, Obama's lack of leadership skills would greatly concern me. It's not so much him changing his stance on issues, it's how often he does it, as well as the timing of them.
This man gives new meaning to the phrase "politically expedient".
Pete6:33AMJun 21st 2008
Ah, yes, Obama is shifting with the political winds he described in his book when he said that he would "stick with" the Muslims. He has given the term, "chameleon," new meaning. And he is the master of constructing phrases and bodies of rhetoric which contain nebulous constructions, capable of being interpreted according to the mindset of the person viewing the document or listening to the speech. Then
there are the times when he just plainly contradicts himself. For example, he states that he is in favor of gun control but then tells Idaho voters that he will not take away the guns of Illinois hunters.
He says he favors taking away tax breaks from the wealthy, but then he voted for the Bush/Cheney energy bill. The list of his inconsistencies is endless. Political expediency rules the life of Obama.
Pete6:40AMJun 21st 2008
On the most recent AOL poll, McCain is leading by 63 percent to Obama's 37 percent! That's very encouraging! Most AOL users are smart people who are seeing through the fraud that is Obama!
tom9:28AMJun 21st 2008
Most aol users are dreamers
CAMPAIGN 2008
Barack’s Bounce
The latest NEWSWEEK Poll shows the Democrat with a 15-point lead over McCain.
Vera10:57AMJun 21st 2008
Ok!
Lets think about this?
McCain is the candidate who is a third Bush term.
This is the man who voted to send our bravest to die looking for weapons of mass destruction that did not exist.
This is the man who does not know that 9-11 was caused by Osama Bin Laden not Sedam Hussein.
This is the man who does not know if the Sunnis or Sheits are our enemies!
This is the man who put our government on the Japan, Saudi Arabia credit card.
This is the man has adopted virtually the entire Bush agenda, often reversing long held positions and compromising supposed core principles. From Iraq, tax cuts for the wealthy, broken promises on the deficit to opposition to SCHIP, tax credits for health care, overturning Roe v. Wade and a right-wing Supreme Court, John McCain represents a third Bush term.
Our only hope is Obama.
Bobby12:12AMJun 22nd 2008
If Newsweek were more pliable one could wipe their ass with it. As bad as the liberal slant is on AOL their own unbiased polls show McCain leading handily on every single one I've voted on. "Who do you trust more" poll, McCain in a landslide with what I'm sure is a good cross section of both parties. It's a sad commentary if the man overwhelmingly winning on trust is behind 15 points in the minds of America....
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Katherine11:25PMJun 20th 2008
Gawd, are you kidding? There are hundreds of youtube videos that easily put together his contradictory statements....on....EVERYTHING.
It is so unsettling. He is doing what his camp always accused his opponent of doing: Saying and doing anything to get elected.
I think there are serious morality issues at play here. Obama's stances change with the wind.
What's even more bone-chilling...is that he has always voted just as he speaks! "present"...neither here nor there...
People should be concerned. This is far too well-oiled and choreographed. Don't mistake it for inexperience exclusively...Obama has Daley's Axelrod helping him.