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McCain Lies to Vet About Voting Record
Jul 10th 2008 10:55AM
Filed Under:eRepublicans, John McCain, Breaking News, 2008 President
his poor voting record on veterans' issues. What was McCain's response? To ignore the man's question (twice), lie about his own record, and tacitly accuse his fellow vet of lying.
Here's the video, with commentary by Rachel Maddow. After the jump, a transcript of the exchange, and McCain's real record with veterans' groups.
Here's a transcript of the exchange: (from The Washington Independent)
The first question from the audience came from a Vietnam veteran, who challenged McCain's record of supporting health care for veterans. It was followed by this testy exchange, during which McCain fell back on his endorsements from veteran groups:Has McCain never heard the old adage, "Never try to bullshit a guy who's clutching a sheaf of papers?" I think it was Mark Twain.
McCain: "I don't know what bill you're referring to...and I'll be glad to have you refer to it. The reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like Veterans of Foreign Wars and American Legion and all the other veterans' service organizations is because I support them."
Audience Member: "You do not have a perfect voting record with [Disabled American Veterans] and VFW. That's where these votes are recorded. The votes were for proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase health-care funding for the [Veterans Administration] in 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006, for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. You voted against those proposals. I can give the numbers of those Senate votes right now."
McCain: "I thank you and I'd be glad to examine what your version of my record is. Again, I've been endorsed in every election by all of the veterans' organizations that do that. I've been supported by them and received the highest awards from all of those organizations, so I guess they don't know something you know. I thank you very much and I will continue to be proud of my support for the veterans of this country."
I really loved this part: "I'd be glad to examine what your version of my record is."
I bet he would, since the man apparently had the version that was true. From The Independent:
Disabled American Veterans gave McCain a dismal 20 percent rating, out of a possible 100 percent, during the second session of the 109th Congress, which ended in January 2007 -- their most recent rating. Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave McCain a grade of 'D.'In the words of Maxwell Smart, "Missed it by that much!"
Vietnam Veterans of America does not offer a rating or grade, but they do provide a chart that compares McCain's vote to their preferred position. Since 2001, McCain voted with VVA nine times and against them 15 times. He also missed eight votes.
The McCain campaign is clearly unprepared in this area, and it could cost McCain dearly. His image as an honorable warrior is the biggest of his few remaining assets. He runs the risk of eroding that with things like this, or his hiring of a Swift Boat Veteran for his "Truth Squad." Both of these hits were self-inflicted, and McCain should make sure that, the next time one of his brothers in arms wants some answers, he is ready with some true ones.
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 4)mouse11:22AMJul 10th 2008
Where is my comment?
CHANGE?11:52AMJul 10th 2008
It was obvious that the DNC did not want Hillary to win the nomination. All you had to do was educate yourself on who is running the DNC. Then take a good hard look at who endorsed Obama. If you do that --- ding ding ding --- the light will come on. (Hint: ‘swimmer Teddy’ was one --- pig Pelosi was another --- Coward Dean another).
TALKING TO AN OBAMA SUPPORTER IS LIKE TALKING TO A TREE.
You ask, “Why are you voting for Obama?”
THEY say, “Change.”
You say, “OK, What change?”
THEY say, “You know, change.”
You reply, “NO, I don't know. What change?”
THEY say, “You know --- change everything.”
Damn --- Obama just programmed the word “change” into their small minds and, like robots, they just repeat it. They don't know why they're saying it; they just seem to be happy to say the word ‘change’.
Sooner or later, people will wake up and realize that Obama has just taken eloquently oratorical advantage of us!
I'm not convinced the ‘change’ he speaks of is the one we've been wishing for and is the right one for all of us.
Hillary was the better candidate.
WE NEED TO REPLACE ALL DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS!
VOTE McCAIN IN 2008 --- HILLARY IN 2012.
veteranthinker12:01PMJul 10th 2008
To all those who keep up the fear mongering with respect to Senator Obama, you need to pay attention to things like this. Senator McCain is the candidate who scares me. His lack of knowledge, his ability to look you straight in the face and lie, his volatile temper, his lack of morals, his detachment from reality, his unwillingness to admit he's wrong even when directly faced with proof all add up to someone who has no business being the Chief Executive of a corner bakery let alone a world power. I've seen many McCain supporters who refer to Obama as "an empty suit". The real empty suit is McCain. Even his campaign ads are empty. He keeps throwing his experience as a POW in everyone's face. I'm sorry that he was a POW for however many years, but that does not entitle him to become President of the United States. It is ironic that the man who is running on little more than his military service has been so unsupportive of other veterans. His biggest talent seems to be that of projection. He's married to a woman who spends 3/4 of a million dollars in one month, but portrays his opponent as an elitist who is out of touch with regular people. He has NO concrete plans for anything except continued war, (and he can't even remember against whom) but supposedly it's his opponent who is an empty suit. McCain is not only an empty suit, he's also an empty head. We've already had the unfortunate experience of having a dimwit in the White House, we don't need another one.
Tommy Christopher12:11PMJul 10th 2008
Mouse, he did lie. He said those groups gave him perfect ratings - they clearly did not, and the votes in question were from the past 5 years, not 18.
Tommy Christopher12:11PMJul 10th 2008
Mouse, he did lie. He said those groups gave him perfect ratings - they clearly did not, and the votes in question were from the past 5 years, not 18.
OhReally12:11PMJul 10th 2008
Gosh I love it when the subject is LIARS!!!!!!!!
OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES - Updated to reflect new dishonesties
Posted by adminMarch 28, 2008OBAMA LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS - You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!
60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning - LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.
61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.
EXPERIENCE?12:13PMJul 10th 2008
HA! OBAMA'S GOING ON A "WORLD TOUR" --- AT OUR EXPENSE --- AND HE'LL COME BACK AND EXPLAIN HIS "FOREGN EXPERIENCE". WHAT A JOKE.
Obama is an empty suit, created by the media with the help of the Chicago political machine. He is a weakling whose strings are manipulated by Kennedy, Kerry-Heinz and Joe Biden. He is at their beck and call and is unable to make a decision without their help. An empty suit. Obama further created a cult which was incited to hate the Clintons and John McCain.
Along with the above three are Howard Dean, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, who are panting for Obama to become nominated --- they are further manipulation. Pelosi wants to be the first female president. The Democratic party is split and I for one, will be glad to see it buried and never alive again.
The big-wig democrats stabbed Hillary in the back. I will vote for McCain and I will campaign that each of the above, when faced with their own re-election, may not win.
Obama is an unknown. He has told too many lies. He has no leadership experience and is not qualified to become president.
And, Yeah --- I AM A TYPICAL, HARD-WORKING, MIDDLE-CLASS, BLUE COLLAR PERSON. They should have counted Florida and Michigan. Florida voted. Both candidates were on the ticket. Michigan has an election in August. They should have added Hillary and Obama to the August ticket!
Vote for America!
Vote for John McCain in 2008 --- Hillary in 2012.
TOWN-HALL-MEETINGS?12:25PMJul 10th 2008
How many times during the primary season did Senator Obama say, “I welcome that debate with John McCain”?
So why does he now do everything possible to avoid the weekly town hall meetings Senator McCain kept asking for?
McCain has offered to travel with Obama and hold ten town hall meetings. Obama wants to cut it down to two meetings --- to be held on Holidays!
Not only is Barack Hussein Obama arrogant --- he appears to be an idiot.
Here’s what Senator Obama’s actions say to me:
• Senator Obama is not a man of his word.
• Senator Obama does not respect voters who very much want to hear both candidates discuss the issues. Nor does he respect leaders in other countries who also want to hear both candidates discuss the issues.
• Senator Obama is not a man who can or will reach across the aisle as he has repeatedly promised to do. If he intended to reach across the aisle, he’d be doing it now every chance he could.
• Senator Obama is afraid that Senator McCain will expose the lack of substance behind his rhetoric.
• Senator Obama isn’t confident enough about the issues to speak without a teleprompter or the scripted words of his speech writers.
• Senator Obama doesn’t believe in transparency in government.
• If Senator Obama were to become President, he would repeatedly shy away from difficult discussions and uncomfortable topics. So, too, would he avoid talking with other world leaders unless they fall in line behind everything Senator Obama says.
On policy issues, I’m more closely aligned with Democrats than I am with Republicans. But I cannot in good conscience vote for a man of such bad character.
In November, I will vote against Senator Obama.
McCAIN 2008 --- HILLARY 2012.
Wish Belkin12:26PMJul 10th 2008
Legislators have the unmitigated gall to build monuments to themselves or bridges to nowhere, then deny funding to the V.A.
Obama is correct in one respect. It is time for a change. That includes Obama and McCain.
Send them all home unemployed, where they can give concideration to why they were elected to office in the first place.
In the meantime:
Ron Paul for President !! (write it in)
veteranthinker12:27PMJul 10th 2008
As usual, I see that those who can't come up with any valid reason they are supporting this idiot, completely ignore facts when presented to them. (pretty much like their candidate does) Just like those drinking Clinton Kool-Aid accepted her claim that she misspoke about non-existent sniper fire, now McCain is not expected to remember that he voted against better benefits for veterans like me or that he didn't receive the non-existent awards from veterans groups. What is the REAL reason why you don't want to support Obama, is it because you want to support the candidate who does what you do best, project his inadequacies on the other person? You accuse Senator Obama of "flip flopping" when he allows for adjustments due to a change of circumstances, but have no problem whatsoever when McCain changes soooooooooo drastically that he refuses to endorse HIS OWN bill. I'm trying very hard to believe that the American voters are intelligent, but it's getting harder every day.
veteranthinker12:27PMJul 10th 2008
Could at least ONE of you McCain supporters make a comment that is related to the subject. This story is not about Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, it's about John McCain being caught in a bold faced lie. Your response is to ignore it and instead attack someone else. And one of you has a long list of lies I've seen you post dozens of places. At least think of something new. Or are you unable to come up with something new because you are as dimwitted as the one you support?
Henry12:32PMJul 10th 2008
This article is about McCain not telling the truth. Guess you are so blind with hate, can not get Obama off the brain. Hope when you lay down to sleep, Obama is on your mind, when you awake, Obama is on your mind. When you get ready to have relations with your spouse, I hope you see Obama.
Obama 08
bruce barrett12:36PMJul 10th 2008
Wow! "Oreally" and "Change"...you two are a couple of mental cases! And I bet your the overboard religious types too. Sicko's!
John McCain is not a friend of the American Military12:43PMJul 10th 2008
John McCain claims that his military service is one of his qualifications to be commander in chief. I seriously doubt his dedication to the American military. His voting record shows his lack of concern for our bravest men and women.
John McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq.
John McCain in September 2007: voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.
John McCain in July 2007: voted against a plan to drawdown troop levels in Iraq.
John McCain in March 2007 was too busy to vote on a bill that would require the start of a drawdown in troop levels within 120 days with a goal of withdrawing nearly all combat troops within one year.
John McCain in February 2007 didn’t even bother to show up to vote against a resolution condemning it. For such a strong supporter of the escalation, McCain didn’t even bother to show up and vote for it.
John McCain in June 2006, voted against a resolution that Bush start withdrawing troops but with no timeline to do so.
John McCain in May 2006, voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
John McCain in April 2006, was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
John McCain in March 2006, voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
John McCain in March 2004, once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans' needs.
John McCain in October 2003, voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
John McCain in April 2003, urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
If he believes that we should stay the course for as long as possible he should be willing to support the people he puts in harms way.
John McCain is not a friend of the American Military.
Vera12:46PMJul 10th 2008
To Hillary Clintons bitter supporters:
I want you to know that you are the reason that I will not donate one dollar, not even a penny to help Hillary Clinton pay off her campaign debt. I think you and all the other 18 million people that voted for her should donate one dollar each and leave Obama alone. After all you are working to defeat my candidate so why should I help your candidate?
So thank you for your bitterness you saved me and many other democrats quite a few dollars.
Kwaayesnama12:48PMJul 10th 2008
John McCain reminds me if the straw man from the Wizard Of Oz.
All Of Cindy McCain's money can't buy him a brain.
3AM12:49PMJul 10th 2008
When the phone rings at 3 am
President Obama says:
John its Iraq not Iran.
And we are looking for Osama Bin Laden not Sadam Hussein.
Now please have Cindy give you your meds and go back to sleep.
CHUCK12:51PMJul 10th 2008
Forgetfulness is the first sign of dementia.
Lying is something new for the GOP?12:56PMJul 10th 2008
Lying is something new to the GOP?
There were weapons of mass destruction –weren’t there?
Sedam Hussein was responsible for 9-11?
Oil was going to pay for the Iraqi war?
Mission accomplished!
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mouse11:20AMJul 10th 2008
Another example of your "yellow" journalism. He never lied. He can not be expected to remember each and every bill for the last eighteen years. Also often, the reason for a no vote is all of the "pork" attached to bills, not the main premise. Senator McCain has done his best to not support bills with lots of "Pork". Vet bills are popular ones for attaching other items too because of their popularity. A no vote is not always against the main premise and you well know this.