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PUMAPAC Strikes Back: 'Stupid Piece of...'
By Tommy ChristopherJul 19th 2008 6:11PM
Filed Under:eHillary Clinton, Democrats, Barack Obama, 2008 President
she is a prostitute. I tried to get some clarification from Darragh Murphy on her comment today, #43 on "Happy Birthday Seneca Falls." She was happy to oblige.
Darragh, I wanted to ask you about this comment about Christina Cedeno.? It looks like you are attacking her for having a dissenting viewpoint, but I wanted to get your take on it.Her response:
#43 - Christina is a piece of shit who is so stupid that she thinks being swarmed by flies is the same thing as being popular.
Sorry Tommy,I can hear it now, in Christina's pre-school class: "Miss Cedeno, what's a piece of shit?"
I'm attacking her for being a piece of shit who is so stupid that she thinks being swarmed by flies is the same thing as being popular. That's all.
Thanks for the email
Murphy.
I also relayed The Anti Puma's challenge to meet in a public forum and debate the issues. I'm still waiting to hear back on that one. In the meantime, let's talk.
I was surprised that she responded at all to my email, let alone within minutes of receiving it, so I sent a quick follow-up. See, I don't like it when people try to tar a site based on what the commenters say, but I also know that Murphy moderates hers very closely, so I wanted to see how she felt about one of them.
I notice your comments are closely moderated, and that BMW60 mentioned that Christina wrote a sex column and might be friends with Ashley? What did you think about that?The comment refers to Ashley Dupre, the much-vilified sex worker from the Eliot Spitzer scandal. Murphy hasn't responded yet, but I hope she does. To their credit, I have seen PUMAPAC commenters denounce certain kinds of attacks before, but I guess I'm trying to find out where the line is.
How would you feel about accepting Christina's challenge, to debate the issues in a public forum? Sorry to bother you. Didn't expect an answer, lol, but I'm glad you did.
The Anti Puma had this to say: (via email)
" I find this comment extremely revealing of PUMA's collective character. It's disheartening that a woman cannot even speak of sex without facing some kind of ruthless indoctrination from a cavalcade of so-called Feminists. Why even bother correlating prostitution with someone who writes about sex if no ill-will is wished?I, too, wondered why a self-proclaimed feminist would demonize another woman for writing a sex column. Is that not sufficiently "ladylike?"
Though I have no affiliation to Ashley Dupre, I can say without second-thought that she is probably more of a woman than any of those females that degrade her are. We now live in a society where"feminism" is used a soapbox to denigrate and mock the choices of other women. The comments like this one, left by PUMA voters, are proof of that sad truism.
I also want to say that I find it ironic, pathetic, and laughable that these so-called new century suffragists take the time to burn me at the stake while supposedly "celebrating" the anniversary of a feminist holy day, The Senaca Falls Declaration of Sentiments. It's telling, very telling indeed.
When women like myself, and any woman really, reads the hostile words written by Darragh Murphy and her minions, it just provides more proof that these women don't care about women's issues at all. I don't know if I should be relieved that their true intent is exposed, or saddened that they are so blinded by animosity, that they cannot see the forest through the trees. "
The irony is emblematic of PUMAPAC's overall disconnect: That, as feminists, it is their duty to see that John McCain, a candidate with a vicious anti-woman streak, gets elected. In a story celebrating the birth of the women's movement, they attack a fellow woman for exercising those very rights. I would truly love to hear an explanation of that.
On the other hand, while researching these stories, I have encountered plenty of fair-minded PUMAs, and I like most of them. I like them so much, in fact, that it fuels my desire to see their sense of injustice channeled productively, not leeched onto by opportunistic Republicans, and diminished by the frivolity of their leader.
Shortly after my first contact with Darragh Murphy, she let it be known that she had received death threats. That was a truly horrifying development, and obviously the work of an unstable crank. It is an ugly by-product of the anonymity of the internet.
But, rather than stick to a passionate, reasoned denunciation of this loathesome act, she decides to try to score some points against Barack Obama.
THE OBAMA MOVEMENT'S CALL FOR DEATH TO WOMEN WHO OPPOSE HIM WATCHSo, 1 to 10 internet cranks are now spokespeople for the "Obama Movement." The intent is vicious, but the effect is laughable. One PUMA was amused and heartened by my description of them as an "Army of Ahabs." I hope she reads this and sees what I'm talking about.
So far, my list includes these women. If you have received threats of violence or death from Obama supporters because of your political activities or writing, or you know someone who has, please tell us in comments. Also send me an email at murphy@pumapac.org
* Riverdaughter of the Confluence
* Digby
* Diane at JSND
* Murphy at Puma PAC
* Paula Abeles
* Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee
* Patsy, Soldier For Hillary
* Sugar from PA
* IP from Puma PAC
* Heidi Li of the Denver Group
The Anti Puma story from yesterday also drew what I thought was a well-thought-out response from one of my readers, Sarah Deats, Texas Democrat:
PUMAs are pseudo-feministsThis is true, I have not seen a defense by any of these "feminists" of the vicious, sexist attacks on Michelle Obama.
I enjoy reading your articles and have been particularly pleased to see your remarks about the PUMAs. One angle to this story has never, to my knowledge, been mentioned: Where are these supposed feminists when the Republican sludge machine is busy generating garbage about Michelle Obama? Whatever "mistreatment" Hillary endured as a candidate (which mostly seemed to me to be of her own making or just the slings and arrows of running for office) was nothing compared to the concerted effort to discredit a woman who's apparently too uppity for the guys in red. (Of course an uppity black woman is bound to raise even more hackles than a standard-issue uppity intellectual white woman, but that's another story.)
I'm a second wave feminist. After some hard thinking at the beginning of the primary campaign, I decided I had to support Obama against the first viable woman candidate -- no small decision for someone who has stood for feminist causes since the early 70s. But Obama's clearly superior understanding and judgment looked to me like the only hope for getting us out of the gigantic hole we're in, and Clinton's reliance on old methods and old ways of thinking would simply dig us in deeper. In some ways, I even felt that Obama was truer to feminist principles than our lady in shining armor. Her old-style politics still reflects the old-boys competitive/combative way of doing things, whereas Obama has consistently chosen for a more cooperative, collaborative approach. As the campaign proceeded, there were plenty of reasons to feel that my original assessment had been correct.
Now we've got these twits risking an absolutely crucial election because "their" candidate lost in a fair race. (They've clearly graduated from the Gramm school of whining.) Oh so righteously indignant over unfairness to Hillary, but not a word about what's being done to Michelle Obama. And nary a word out of our erstwhile heroine. Sorry, ladies, that's not feminism -- it looks more like Republican politics to me.
I have barely begun to scratch the surface, but so far, it seems pretty clear that PUMA isn't about feminism. It isn't about election reform. It definitely isn't about Hillary Clinton. It is about one thing: Getting John McCain elected. As long as you can face that fact, growl away.
Recent Comments
(Page 1 of 11)reader6:45PMJul 19th 2008
Ugggh, Darragh Murphy's comments make the entire organization look soo juvenile.
How old is this woman? When placed next to a 22yr old, the 22yr old makes Murphy look like a Jr. in H.S.
Bob6:58PMJul 19th 2008
They just getting mad because Pumapac and justsaynodeal has grown huge . Also 125 Hillary's big wig supporters have / are supporting mcCain . Delegates are changing they minds , Super d's are scratching they heads .. 4 new NObama radio shows..plus rating have fell , and still falling ...
OBAMAS TRIP HURTS U.S. ECONOMY!7:02PMJul 19th 2008
OBAMA IS ON A WORLD TOUR 'POLITICAL' CAMPAIGN AT TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE! WHAT IS THIS DOING TO OUR ECONOMY? HE IS MEETING WITH MUSLIM LEADERS --- READ HIS BOOK!
HE IS NOT THERE TO SEE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS --- HE IS CAMPAIGNING! WHAT A LIAR. EUROPEANS CAN'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE USA. WHY WON'T HE DEBATE IN "AMERICAN" TOWN HALL MEETINGS AND LET "AMERICANS" ASK THE QUESTIONS?
You can tell the truth teller from the liar easily --- the truth teller will sometimes tell you things you don’t like to hear.
The liar will tell different people what they want to hear, even when contradicting himself.
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA lies with such ease. Why does he need "300" advisors?
It is psychopathological. Like the “mythology” he has invented about himself.
McCAIN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008.
Dennis7:07PMJul 19th 2008
McCain criticized Obama for not going to Iraq and Afghanistan, guess what he's there now and you idiots say he's meddling in foriegn affairs? he's going to be president, an articulate guy just intimidates you.
C. Jenkins7:23PMJul 19th 2008
Threats??
How many has she initiated against Senator Obama?
If anyone receives threats of violence, they should contact their local police immediately.
Darragh Murphy has just advised them to send her an email. What can an email do to curb a threat of violence? This comment alone, on another site, led me to believe she has only a self-serving purpose for organizing this group. The commenter was "BMW"
One must have motive and opportunity to be accused of anything. She has grasped the opportunity, now what is the motive? It appears her motive must be financial gain.
Puma is a strange organization, no one has the company documents to read. No one knows how much money has been collected. No one knows how much money has gone to Clinton. No one knows the total of administrative expenses. No one knows how many member they have secured.
Monthly reports are required in any organization. Where is their lst monthly report?
The language coming from Darragh Murphy's mouth isn't unusual since mostly all of her purported followers use the very same foul language and even worse. "A GREAT ROLE MODEL SHE IS TURNING OUT TO BE
FOR WOMEN."
She and her minions want the liberty to dissent, but Christina doesn't deserve that same freedom.
The woman is full of "HOG WASH."
PUMA BUSTED THREE TIMES...ONE MORE TO GO.
OhReally7:30PMJul 19th 2008
Obama trip a good idea?
On issues of national security and foreign affairs, Obama trails badly. In the recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, when voters are asked which candidate would be a good commander in chief, McCain clobbers Obama by 24 points (72 to 48), and when voters are asked which candidate knows enough about world affairs to serve effectively as president, McCain beats him by 16 points (72 to 56).
Will Obama's world tour help?
The trip poses big risks. Here are a few that could turn Obama Does Europe into a nightmare:
The Big Gaffe: All those cameras mean any substantive slip-up will be magnified. There's no indication that the Obama team will be letting the foreign press question him, and for good reason—they're often tougher than the U.S. press corps. If they do get to fire some questions, the uble goes up.
Scaredy Cat? Also, in the war zones where Obama might wear a protective helmet and flak jacket, there's the danger that a wayward picture might make him look ill at ease, shades of Michael Dukakis taking his infamous tank ride. You'll know the Obama team played it right if you see a limited number of photographs—or perhaps none at all—of the candidate in protective gear.
Phony Junket: McCain's team will charge that Obama isn't working; he's just going overseas to make pretty pictures. In diplomatic relations, good pictures and goodwill matter, but there's truth to this charge—he's not going to Germany or Iraq to negotiate a treaty or anything. No real work is being done,
Hubris Alert: Who does Obama think he is? He's not the president. He's not even his party's official nominee yet. Obama has no shortage of self-confidence. If the trip looks a little too presumptuous, voters who have doubts about his experience might wonder where he gets off acting a part they haven't given him yet.
OhReally7:33PMJul 19th 2008
Speaking of a stupid piece of s****
The Obama Boy fits the bill
July 18, 2008
The Audacity of Vanity
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama wants to speak at the Brandenburg Gate.
He figures it would be a nice backdrop. The supporting cast -- a cheering audience and a few fainting frauleins -- would be a picturesque way to bolster his foreign policy credentials.
What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn.
Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop?
Americans are beginning to notice Obama's elevated opinion of himself.
There's nothing new about narcissism in politics. Every senator looks in the mirror and sees a president. Nonetheless, has there ever been a presidential nominee with a wider gap between his estimation of himself and the sum total of his lifetime achievements?
(The Germans have now gently nudged Obama into looking at other venues.)
Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.
C. Jenkins7:35PMJul 19th 2008
Bob6:58PMJul 19th 2008
They just getting mad because Pumapac and justsaynodeal has grown huge . Also 125 Hillary's big wig supporters have / are supporting mcCain . Delegates are changing they minds , Super d's are scratching they heads .. 4 new NObama radio shows..plus rating have fell , and still falling ...
_____________________________________________________
Pray tell, where are the scratching heads Super delegates going to go? Hillary's name cannot be placed in nomination unless Senator Obama says it can.
If this group is so large, why hasn't Hillary received the money to pay down her debt. Obama only has 1.5 million contributers and he received 52,000,000 for the month. Now, if you PUMA's are in the greater millions, where's the "beef?"
I wonder if the GAO (General Accounting Office) would take this one on or even DOJ (Department of Justice)? Hillary may have lost the nomination, but Obama supporters feel she should receive whatever money that may have been donated in her name.
PUMA BUSTED THREE TIMES..ONE MORE TO GO
Obama 08
C. Jenkins7:40PMJul 19th 2008
OhReally7:33PMJul 19th 2008
Speaking of a stupid piece of s****
The Obama Boy fits the bill
July 18, 2008
The Audacity of Vanity
By Charles Krauthammer
__________________________________________________
Are you the "Paid Republican Hack" placed in charge of diversions and smoke screens? We are discussing the horse's head, and naturally you are sniffing around at the rear.
Obama 08
OhReally7:40PMJul 19th 2008
Tommy don't forget to also try to put down The Denver Group who simply want a convention that follows the rules. They will feel bad if you neglect them.
The Denver Group’s Letter To Prevaricator Howard Dean »
Apparently, Barack Obama’s hood ornament, Howard Dean, had an interview in which he implied with a “scoff” that The Denver Group is a Republican operation, blaming them for everything short of World Hunger.
I see Howard read my Obama playbook.
While Howard seems to have a self-destructive desire to cut the Democratic Party in half, thereby marginalizing it for another couple of decades, one wonders what exactly he will be doing for a living in January. All I can say is I am really glad he’s not practicing medicine on women any longer.
The Denver Group has written the following letter to Howard, so he understands that nothing he says will ever get past them. Click on the title link and show some support to Heidi and Marc, who have more brain power when they are sleeping than Howard “If I can’t be president then screw America” Dean has after eating plenty of Green Brain Food.
I stay classy7:42PMJul 19th 2008
Where's the p.u.m.a. outrage now? Too busy cowering with their tails between their legs me thinks.......
Charles7:42PMJul 19th 2008
What a bunch of drivel. A pure waste of time. Grow up Christina
Bob7:45PMJul 19th 2008
c jenkens . do a little more reading and you'll see ..go to www.justsaynodeal.com and see that her debt is paid ...also see the polls , gallup poll 45 to 45 ...lost 16 super'd last week ...also see www.dontvoteobama.net...www.savagepolitics.com lots of info...anything elese i can do for ya ?
diana7:45PMJul 19th 2008
This is the oldest trick in the book - pitting one woman against another. Pumas is not a feminist group, unlike the antipuma commenter above who calls herself something like the 2nd coming of feminist. Huh? There may be something personal/political between these two women, but what is it to all the others. Weird.
C. Jenkins7:46PMJul 19th 2008
I'm seriously thinking of filing for a 527 and we will name our organization "EMMA" (Eighteen Million My Azz).
What do you think Obama Supporters??
Bob7:47PMJul 19th 2008
lol
Crystal7:49PMJul 19th 2008
Well, we're getting to learn a little bit about Christina. She condones hookers who take money from married men because they are too lazy to go out and get a respectful job.
C. Jenkins7:53PMJul 19th 2008
Bob7:45PMJul 19th 2008
c jenkens . do a little more reading and you'll see ..go to www.justsaynodeal.com and see that her debt is paid ...also see the polls , gallup poll 45 to 45 ...lost 16 super'd last week ...also see www.dontvoteobama.net...www.savagepolitics.com lots of info...anything elese i can do for ya ?
____________________________________________________
Where did these supers go, to Hawaii? They can abstain from voting for anyone, but they cannot vote for Hillary is her name is not in nomination.
The media has not reported any monies being collected for the Hillary Campaign to pay down her debt. Are you keeping this a secret !!
These links are fictitious junk. Self-serving propaganda.
Anything else?
Obama 08
Crystal7:54PMJul 19th 2008
And TC's statement:
Shortly after my first contact with Darragh Murphy, she let it be known that she had received death threats. That was a truly horrifying development, and obviosly the work of an unstable crank. It is an ugly by-product of the anonymity of the internet.
So it was very kind of Christina to post Murphy's or home address.
And don't tell me it was already posted someplace else. Two wrong don't make a right!! It was a trashy move!!
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tom6:42PMJul 19th 2008
Seems that those who hate believe that they can convince others to hate by spewing more hatred. What they are doing is projecting their hatred of themselves onto others. But I don't think much should be done about them, they are doing a pretty good job of digging their graves by themselves. Most of us are sick and tired of the lies and hatred, and we plan on letting everyone khow just how sick and tired we are come november.